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Post by marsvolta on Feb 11, 2019 17:53:26 GMT
I swear Aaron Ramsey signing for Juventus gets announced every other day.
I thought he’d signed weeks ago.
See you all on Wednesday when the ‘Ramsey signs for Juventus’ pops up again.
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Post by insertname on Feb 11, 2019 18:02:56 GMT
400k per week, well done Aaron. Highest paid Welsh player ever. Slightly more than Jack Wilshire If that's true, he is worth every penny and much more.
Whoever is lucky enough to have landed Rambo will be lifting trophies and going places ;-)
You might want to stay away from the Juventus forum then- the backlash has started already and he hasnt kicked a ball yet! People just don't understand the amount of money- it makes sense if they value him at 50 million and pay him the transfer fee....but why would you do that?! Surely the whole point of a free agent is that you get them for a fraction of their market value. Who pays a similar amount to the player than they would have paid to the club? I think Juventus's contract negotiators are the same people who negotiated the UK's Brexit deal
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Post by alarch on Feb 11, 2019 18:32:27 GMT
Terrific deal for Ramsey, especially considering his injury record. But clubs like Juventus don't throw money away on a whim. He's got that deal because he's deemed worth it by people who's jobs are on the line if they get it wrong. Amusing to see the reaction from English fans and media, they really can't stomach the thought that the best two footballers from the UK are both Welsh. Loving it.
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Post by insertname on Feb 11, 2019 18:48:31 GMT
Terrific deal for Ramsey, especially considering his injury record. But clubs like Juventus don't throw money away on a whim. He's got that deal because he's deemed worth it by people who's jobs are on the line if they get it wrong. Amusing to see the reaction from English fans and media, they really can't stomach the thought that the best two footballers from the UK are both Welsh. Loving it. In fairness it's not about his nationality at all - Juventus fans are appalled and I doubt they give a fig where he comes from, they would be saying the same if it was, say, Troy Deeney. This deal is a golden opportunity for people to lament the amount of money paid to players who are not at the top of their profession while doctors and nurses earn a fraction from the NHS and do far more for society in the grand scheme of things. In a certain sense I agree - let's be fair, what are the most crucial skills a society needs to keep functioning? The ability to kick a ball 50 yards onto a specific patch of grass would not even come close to being useful, yet we live in an era where the pliability and disposable income of broadcasting companies has the knock on effect of making these people worth more than others who perform far more useful and important roles. 400k a week for Messi or Ronaldo *might* just be palatable in a sane world, but it's not even Messi or Ronaldo we are talking about, it's a player who has never won a league or a Champions league, is not even a champions league player. Obscene money and symptomatic of all that is wrong with football - but that is not Ramsey's problem, it's football's decadence laid bare.
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Post by marsvolta on Feb 11, 2019 19:28:04 GMT
Terrific deal for Ramsey, especially considering his injury record. But clubs like Juventus don't throw money away on a whim. He's got that deal because he's deemed worth it by people who's jobs are on the line if they get it wrong. Amusing to see the reaction from English fans and media, they really can't stomach the thought that the best two footballers from the UK are both Welsh. Loving it. In fairness it's not about his nationality at all - Juventus fans are appalled and I doubt they give a fig where he comes from, they would be saying the same if it was, say, Troy Deeney. This deal is a golden opportunity for people to lament the amount of money paid to players who are not at the top of their profession while doctors and nurses earn a fraction from the NHS and do far more for society in the grand scheme of things. In a certain sense I agree - let's be fair, what are the most crucial skills a society needs to keep functioning? The ability to kick a ball 50 yards onto a specific patch of grass would not even come close to being useful, yet we live in an era where the pliability and disposable income of broadcasting companies has the knock on effect of making these people worth more than others who perform far more useful and important roles. 400k a week for Messi or Ronaldo *might* just be palatable in a sane world, but it's not even Messi or Ronaldo we are talking about, it's a player who has never won a league or a Champions league, is not even a champions league player. Obscene money and symptomatic of all that is wrong with football - but that is not Ramsey's problem, it's football's decadence laid bare. I’ve never really understood the whole ‘doctors and nurses should be paid more than footballers’ thing. Yes, their job is more important but quite simply you don’t get 50,000 people paying £60 each to watch a doctor or a nurse do their job.
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Post by alarch on Feb 11, 2019 19:28:24 GMT
So you think you're in a better position to evaluate Ramsey's footballing worth than the Juventus hierarchy? Sorry, but I know whose judgement I'd prefer.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Feb 11, 2019 19:43:14 GMT
Nice work if you can get it. Good luck to him, and at that sort of money they must intend playing him regularly which is a plus for us.
But having said that, the world's gone completely bonkers.
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Post by abwales on Feb 11, 2019 20:08:26 GMT
Exciting news! Wish it had happened in January.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Feb 11, 2019 20:09:10 GMT
Cant fault him for taking it as we all do the same if we was in the same situation.
But it's an Obscene amount of money ... if this was a non Welsh player we all be saying the same. Earns more in week that most won't earn in a life time. Don't care if its messi Rambo or ronny it's crazy and when you have to pay 40-50£ to get in to see a game don't moan if you thing this is right
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Post by larslagerback on Feb 11, 2019 20:12:24 GMT
In fairness it's not about his nationality at all - Juventus fans are appalled and I doubt they give a fig where he comes from, they would be saying the same if it was, say, Troy Deeney. This deal is a golden opportunity for people to lament the amount of money paid to players who are not at the top of their profession while doctors and nurses earn a fraction from the NHS and do far more for society in the grand scheme of things. In a certain sense I agree - let's be fair, what are the most crucial skills a society needs to keep functioning? The ability to kick a ball 50 yards onto a specific patch of grass would not even come close to being useful, yet we live in an era where the pliability and disposable income of broadcasting companies has the knock on effect of making these people worth more than others who perform far more useful and important roles. 400k a week for Messi or Ronaldo *might* just be palatable in a sane world, but it's not even Messi or Ronaldo we are talking about, it's a player who has never won a league or a Champions league, is not even a champions league player. Obscene money and symptomatic of all that is wrong with football - but that is not Ramsey's problem, it's football's decadence laid bare. I’ve never really understood the whole ‘doctors and nurses should be paid more than footballers’ thing. Yes, their job is more important but quite simply you don’t get 50,000 paying £60 each to watch a doctor or a nurse do their job. A lot of people don't seem to understand demand and supply.
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Post by insertname on Feb 11, 2019 20:39:39 GMT
In fairness it's not about his nationality at all - Juventus fans are appalled and I doubt they give a fig where he comes from, they would be saying the same if it was, say, Troy Deeney. This deal is a golden opportunity for people to lament the amount of money paid to players who are not at the top of their profession while doctors and nurses earn a fraction from the NHS and do far more for society in the grand scheme of things. In a certain sense I agree - let's be fair, what are the most crucial skills a society needs to keep functioning? The ability to kick a ball 50 yards onto a specific patch of grass would not even come close to being useful, yet we live in an era where the pliability and disposable income of broadcasting companies has the knock on effect of making these people worth more than others who perform far more useful and important roles. 400k a week for Messi or Ronaldo *might* just be palatable in a sane world, but it's not even Messi or Ronaldo we are talking about, it's a player who has never won a league or a Champions league, is not even a champions league player. Obscene money and symptomatic of all that is wrong with football - but that is not Ramsey's problem, it's football's decadence laid bare. I’ve never really understood the whole ‘doctors and nurses should be paid more than footballers’ thing. Yes, their job is more important but quite simply you don’t get 50,000 people paying £60 each to watch a doctor or a nurse do their job. Exactly- I recognise that which is why I don't blame him, I blame the cost of football generally and people's willingness to invest in what is essentially a fairly trivial past time that has been blown up out of all proportion since the inception of the premiership. In fact it's not even the fans in the stadium propping it all up these days. There was that crazy report recently that said that prem clubs could play in front of empty stadiums- it's all down to the TV money and even then the British broadcasters aren't paying it anymore as the value has dropped as per the last rights sale. It's the foreign broadcasters, especially the far east market that are still paying money hand over fist to buy the premiership rights. I would really love to see it all brought back into some kind of proportion and it's kind of mad that whilst most things that generate mad revenue eventually conclude to be a bubble that bursts the long predicted football bubble bursting has never and probably will never come about.
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Post by insertname on Feb 11, 2019 20:42:09 GMT
So you think you're in a better position to evaluate Ramsey's footballing worth than the Juventus hierarchy? Sorry, but I know whose judgement I'd prefer. Did you trust Barcelona's valuation of Coutinho too?
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Post by insertname on Feb 11, 2019 20:54:59 GMT
I’ve never really understood the whole ‘doctors and nurses should be paid more than footballers’ thing. Yes, their job is more important but quite simply you don’t get 50,000 paying £60 each to watch a doctor or a nurse do their job. A lot of people don't seem to understand demand and supply. Exactly! If all the people complaining about Ramsey (and there are shedloads) all stopped paying for Sky then something might actually be done about inflated footballer's salaries. I won't have to do nowt because I've never given Sky or BT a penny and right now I'm glad my football club's highest salary is some £4k, which is quite right imo. A very good wage in a country where the average salary is some 24k or so.
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 11, 2019 22:38:59 GMT
Terrific deal for Ramsey, especially considering his injury record. But clubs like Juventus don't throw money away on a whim. He's got that deal because he's deemed worth it by people who's jobs are on the line if they get it wrong. Amusing to see the reaction from English fans and media, they really can't stomach the thought that the best two footballers from the UK are both Welsh. Loving it. Brilliant isn’t it? Piers Morgan is having a breakdown as we speak. Gwaaaan Rambo!
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Post by quetzal on Feb 12, 2019 3:54:42 GMT
I´m just going to forget about the absurd money that is football(look at china) not just the Ramsey deal, and enjoy the fact that Rambo is no longer an Arsenal player. Juve!!!! Fantastic
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Post by welshiron on Feb 12, 2019 7:48:34 GMT
Bale scoring 100 goals for Real
Ramsey signing for Juventus
British press wetting themselves over foden and Sanchez.
Wilshire is better than Ramsy anyway 😭
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Post by iot on Feb 12, 2019 9:35:55 GMT
Terrific deal for Ramsey, especially considering his injury record. But clubs like Juventus don't throw money away on a whim. He's got that deal because he's deemed worth it by people who's jobs are on the line if they get it wrong. Amusing to see the reaction from English fans and media, they really can't stomach the thought that the best two footballers from the UK are both Welsh. Loving it. In fairness it's not about his nationality at all - Juventus fans are appalled and I doubt they give a fig where he comes from, they would be saying the same if it was, say, Troy Deeney. This deal is a golden opportunity for people to lament the amount of money paid to players who are not at the top of their profession while doctors and nurses earn a fraction from the NHS and do far more for society in the grand scheme of things. In a certain sense I agree - let's be fair, what are the most crucial skills a society needs to keep functioning? The ability to kick a ball 50 yards onto a specific patch of grass would not even come close to being useful, yet we live in an era where the pliability and disposable income of broadcasting companies has the knock on effect of making these people worth more than others who perform far more useful and important roles. 400k a week for Messi or Ronaldo *might* just be palatable in a sane world, but it's not even Messi or Ronaldo we are talking about, it's a player who has never won a league or a Champions league, is not even a champions league player. Obscene money and symptomatic of all that is wrong with football - but that is not Ramsey's problem, it's football's decadence laid bare. Sorry, but that first statement is laughable. How do you know that Juventus fans are appalled? Because you've spent two minutes on an English fan page? Give me a break. I agree with marsvolta, the whole football bashing for the money earned is an absolute nonsense! Why don't others get the same stick - top actors and singers etc.? Football is one of the top entertainment industries in the world so its main stars are obviously going to get paid large sums of money, just as top hollywood stars do. The fact that one of ours is deemed good enough to be one of the highest earners in that profession should be lauded, but the reaction of some is to join in with the English and question it.
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Post by joseywales37 on Feb 12, 2019 10:35:27 GMT
Terrific deal for Ramsey, especially considering his injury record. But clubs like Juventus don't throw money away on a whim. He's got that deal because he's deemed worth it by people who's jobs are on the line if they get it wrong. Amusing to see the reaction from English fans and media, they really can't stomach the thought that the best two footballers from the UK are both Welsh. Loving it. In fairness it's not about his nationality at all - Juventus fans are appalled and I doubt they give a fig where he comes from, they would be saying the same if it was, say, Troy Deeney. This deal is a golden opportunity for people to lament the amount of money paid to players who are not at the top of their profession while doctors and nurses earn a fraction from the NHS and do far more for society in the grand scheme of things. In a certain sense I agree - let's be fair, what are the most crucial skills a society needs to keep functioning? The ability to kick a ball 50 yards onto a specific patch of grass would not even come close to being useful, yet we live in an era where the pliability and disposable income of broadcasting companies has the knock on effect of making these people worth more than others who perform far more useful and important roles. 400k a week for Messi or Ronaldo *might* just be palatable in a sane world, but it's not even Messi or Ronaldo we are talking about, it's a player who has never won a league or a Champions league, is not even a champions league player. Obscene money and symptomatic of all that is wrong with football - but that is not Ramsey's problem, it's football's decadence laid bare. Have to agree, this is ridiculous money. I want every Welsh player to do the best, but these wages even for the likes of Ronaldo/Messi are nuts, let alone Ramsey. Agreed its not his problem though.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Feb 12, 2019 10:56:25 GMT
Fair play to him, this is an awsome move for Rambo, and great for Welsh football to have its two top stars playing for two of the best sides in the world.
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Post by insertname on Feb 12, 2019 11:00:10 GMT
In fairness it's not about his nationality at all - Juventus fans are appalled and I doubt they give a fig where he comes from, they would be saying the same if it was, say, Troy Deeney. This deal is a golden opportunity for people to lament the amount of money paid to players who are not at the top of their profession while doctors and nurses earn a fraction from the NHS and do far more for society in the grand scheme of things. In a certain sense I agree - let's be fair, what are the most crucial skills a society needs to keep functioning? The ability to kick a ball 50 yards onto a specific patch of grass would not even come close to being useful, yet we live in an era where the pliability and disposable income of broadcasting companies has the knock on effect of making these people worth more than others who perform far more useful and important roles. 400k a week for Messi or Ronaldo *might* just be palatable in a sane world, but it's not even Messi or Ronaldo we are talking about, it's a player who has never won a league or a Champions league, is not even a champions league player. Obscene money and symptomatic of all that is wrong with football - but that is not Ramsey's problem, it's football's decadence laid bare. Sorry, but that first statement is laughable. How do you know that Juventus fans are appalled? Because you've spent two minutes on an English fan page? Give me a break. I agree with marsvolta, the whole football bashing for the money earned is an absolute nonsense! Why don't others get the same stick - top actors and singers etc.? Football is one of the top entertainment industries in the world so its main stars are obviously going to get paid large sums of money, just as top hollywood stars do. The fact that one of ours is deemed good enough to be one of the highest earners in that profession should be lauded, but the reaction of some is to join in with the English and question it. Pssh, I’d rather one of our own was known for something a bit more positive than being overpaid for kicking a football. Although I should say that I do not disagree with Bale being paid what he is by the standards of his industry but then Bale at the time of his transfer was the best midfielder, if not player, in the country and had immense potential to improve beyond that, Ramsey is (let’s be honest here) not even the best midfielder in London. It’s a fair point about film stars, golfers etc and my feelings are no different there (especially golfers!), it all comes down to the consumption of an entertainment product by an individual becoming magnified when consumed by hundreds of thousands to the point where it generates millions and it just seems so wrong when far more humble people who make far worthier contributions to society and humanity are not the ones living in gated communities yet the entertainers (whose skill is ultimately trivial and frivolous and does not further society) are. It doesn’t speak much to a meritocracy in my eyes. I am reminded of Chris Packham’s absolutely brilliant speech in tribute to Alan Turing where he hit the nail on the head- when it comes to problems like climate change it won’t be the sports stars or film stars who save the planet, it will be the scientists. If Turing was alive today how close would he get to someone like Ramsey, or, even worse, Ozil’s annual wage? I think that is the crux of why people (and it’s not just me, there are pages and pages of comments on the BBC site and on forums I’ve browsed) have been triggered by reading what Ramsey is due to earn.
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Post by insertname on Feb 12, 2019 11:36:05 GMT
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Post by manulike on Feb 12, 2019 12:33:35 GMT
I´m just going to forget about the absurd money that is football(look at china) not just the Ramsey deal, and enjoy the fact that Rambo is no longer an Arsenal player. Juve!!!! Fantastic RAMBO IS A GOONER ...
... at least for another 139 days ;-)
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Post by alarch on Feb 12, 2019 12:49:58 GMT
Sorry, but that first statement is laughable. How do you know that Juventus fans are appalled? Because you've spent two minutes on an English fan page? Give me a break. I agree with marsvolta, the whole football bashing for the money earned is an absolute nonsense! Why don't others get the same stick - top actors and singers etc.? Football is one of the top entertainment industries in the world so its main stars are obviously going to get paid large sums of money, just as top hollywood stars do. The fact that one of ours is deemed good enough to be one of the highest earners in that profession should be lauded, but the reaction of some is to join in with the English and question it. Pssh, I’d rather one of our own was known for something a bit more positive than being overpaid for kicking a football. Although I should say that I do not disagree with Bale being paid what he is by the standards of his industry but then Bale at the time of his transfer was the best midfielder, if not player, in the country and had immense potential to improve beyond that, Ramsey is (let’s be honest here) not even the best midfielder in London. It’s a fair point about film stars, golfers etc and my feelings are no different there (especially golfers!), it all comes down to the consumption of an entertainment product by an individual becoming magnified when consumed by hundreds of thousands to the point where it generates millions and it just seems so wrong when far more humble people who make far worthier contributions to society and humanity are not the ones living in gated communities yet the entertainers (whose skill is ultimately trivial and frivolous and does not further society) are. It doesn’t speak much to a meritocracy in my eyes. I am reminded of Chris Packham’s absolutely brilliant speech in tribute to Alan Turing where he hit the nail on the head- when it comes to problems like climate change it won’t be the sports stars or film stars who save the planet, it will be the scientists. If Turing was alive today how close would he get to someone like Ramsey, or, even worse, Ozil’s annual wage? I think that is the crux of why people (and it’s not just me, there are pages and pages of comments on the BBC site and on forums I’ve browsed) have been triggered by reading what Ramsey is due to earn. The argument about the merit of footballer's wages certainly has its merits - but it's essentially an argument against capitalism. Do the Coates family deserve their riches on the back of their ownership of Bet365? I could go on. The trouble with your argument is that you're trying to piggy back a moral argument onto the back of a footballing one, to boost your (otherwise weak) stance. Dafydd Pritchard's assessment is a fair one - albeit that he forgets to mention the hugely significant role of injuries in preventing Ramsey consistently scaling the heights. The same omission is made with regard to Bale's achievement of reaching 100 goals for Real Madrid. It's a boring narrative - but a massive explanatory factor in both cases (and Allen's for that matter) when it comes to understanding how they have failed to create as favourable an impression as their talents deserve.
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Post by insertname on Feb 12, 2019 13:28:40 GMT
Pssh, I’d rather one of our own was known for something a bit more positive than being overpaid for kicking a football. Although I should say that I do not disagree with Bale being paid what he is by the standards of his industry but then Bale at the time of his transfer was the best midfielder, if not player, in the country and had immense potential to improve beyond that, Ramsey is (let’s be honest here) not even the best midfielder in London. It’s a fair point about film stars, golfers etc and my feelings are no different there (especially golfers!), it all comes down to the consumption of an entertainment product by an individual becoming magnified when consumed by hundreds of thousands to the point where it generates millions and it just seems so wrong when far more humble people who make far worthier contributions to society and humanity are not the ones living in gated communities yet the entertainers (whose skill is ultimately trivial and frivolous and does not further society) are. It doesn’t speak much to a meritocracy in my eyes. I am reminded of Chris Packham’s absolutely brilliant speech in tribute to Alan Turing where he hit the nail on the head- when it comes to problems like climate change it won’t be the sports stars or film stars who save the planet, it will be the scientists. If Turing was alive today how close would he get to someone like Ramsey, or, even worse, Ozil’s annual wage? I think that is the crux of why people (and it’s not just me, there are pages and pages of comments on the BBC site and on forums I’ve browsed) have been triggered by reading what Ramsey is due to earn. The argument about the merit of footballer's wages certainly has its merits - but it's essentially an argument against capitalism. Do the Coates family deserve their riches on the back of their ownership of Bet365? I could go on. The trouble with your argument is that you're trying to piggy back a moral argument onto the back of a footballing one, to boost your (otherwise weak) stance. Dafydd Pritchard's assessment is a fair one - albeit that he forgets to mention the hugely significant role of injuries in preventing Ramsey consistently scaling the heights. The same omission is made with regard to Bale's achievement of reaching 100 goals for Real Madrid. It's a boring narrative - but a massive explanatory factor in both cases (and Allen's for that matter) when it comes to understanding how they have failed to create as favourable an impression as their talents deserve. To be fair when I started this train of thought it was based on the idea that one of the pillars of western society is the order of merit but yes, merit pales when up against capitalism. I don't think anyone would argue that there is more merit in furthering humanity than there is in kicking a ball or acting in a film but there is no sentiment in capitalism and saving lives and advancing technology does not generate money in the same way that consumable entertainment does. It's entirely not fair, but then that's the take away I guess and why people feel stories of footballer's wages so acutely: it's another reminder than life is not fair.
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Post by welshiron on Feb 12, 2019 15:01:49 GMT
Pssh, I’d rather one of our own was known for something a bit more positive than being overpaid for kicking a football. Although I should say that I do not disagree with Bale being paid what he is by the standards of his industry but then Bale at the time of his transfer was the best midfielder, if not player, in the country and had immense potential to improve beyond that, Ramsey is (let’s be honest here) not even the best midfielder in London. It’s a fair point about film stars, golfers etc and my feelings are no different there (especially golfers!), it all comes down to the consumption of an entertainment product by an individual becoming magnified when consumed by hundreds of thousands to the point where it generates millions and it just seems so wrong when far more humble people who make far worthier contributions to society and humanity are not the ones living in gated communities yet the entertainers (whose skill is ultimately trivial and frivolous and does not further society) are. It doesn’t speak much to a meritocracy in my eyes. I am reminded of Chris Packham’s absolutely brilliant speech in tribute to Alan Turing where he hit the nail on the head- when it comes to problems like climate change it won’t be the sports stars or film stars who save the planet, it will be the scientists. If Turing was alive today how close would he get to someone like Ramsey, or, even worse, Ozil’s annual wage? I think that is the crux of why people (and it’s not just me, there are pages and pages of comments on the BBC site and on forums I’ve browsed) have been triggered by reading what Ramsey is due to earn. The argument about the merit of footballer's wages certainly has its merits - but it's essentially an argument against capitalism. Do the Coates family deserve their riches on the back of their ownership of Bet365? I could go on. The trouble with your argument is that you're trying to piggy back a moral argument onto the back of a footballing one, to boost your (otherwise weak) stance. Dafydd Pritchard's assessment is a fair one - albeit that he forgets to mention the hugely significant role of injuries in preventing Ramsey consistently scaling the heights. The same omission is made with regard to Bale's achievement of reaching 100 goals for Real Madrid. It's a boring narrative - but a massive explanatory factor in both cases (and Allen's for that matter) when it comes to understanding how they have failed to create as favourable an impression as their talents deserve. Love the way you got Joe Allen in there. Time to realise Bale and Ramsey are at a different level.
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Post by quetzal on Feb 12, 2019 16:09:35 GMT
Please learn Italian Aaron. Don’t do a Bale on that one. Maybe Ramsey being a Welsh speaker will be easier for him to learn. When I learnt Spanish it took me 2 months of 4 hour classes, 5 days a week. I don’t know where it went wrong with Bale
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 12, 2019 18:42:33 GMT
The argument about the merit of footballer's wages certainly has its merits - but it's essentially an argument against capitalism. Do the Coates family deserve their riches on the back of their ownership of Bet365? I could go on. The trouble with your argument is that you're trying to piggy back a moral argument onto the back of a footballing one, to boost your (otherwise weak) stance. Dafydd Pritchard's assessment is a fair one - albeit that he forgets to mention the hugely significant role of injuries in preventing Ramsey consistently scaling the heights. The same omission is made with regard to Bale's achievement of reaching 100 goals for Real Madrid. It's a boring narrative - but a massive explanatory factor in both cases (and Allen's for that matter) when it comes to understanding how they have failed to create as favourable an impression as their talents deserve. Love the way you got Joe Allen in there. Time to realise Bale and Ramsey are at a different level. Seems to be a lot of people who don't rate Joe Allen. Weirdos.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Feb 12, 2019 18:48:16 GMT
Good for him i say. He must have a very good agent as well. At least he does not have long at Arsenal to take any more abuse from imbecile Arsenal supporters (Not manulike and our lady pendragon of course) like Piers and wimps like Firth.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Feb 12, 2019 18:51:40 GMT
Lol Just talking about Ramsey and his wages on BBC London news now.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 12, 2019 19:53:19 GMT
Please learn Italian Aaron. Don’t do a Bale on that one. Maybe Ramsey being a Welsh speaker will be easier for him to learn. When I learnt Spanish it took me 2 months of 4 hour classes, 5 days a week. I don’t know where it went wrong with Bale To be fair to Bale, I'm sure he understands spoken Spanish just fine. He may just not be confident enough to speak it in public. If you are someone who is naturally bad at languages then the prospect of being interviewed in a foreign language would be daunting. As previously stated, I expect Ramsey will find it easier to learn Italian given that he is bilingual. I won't be surprised in the slightest if he is better at Italian than Bale is at Spanish, but think the criticism of Bale is a bit harsh in this regard.
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