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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jul 22, 2019 9:26:09 GMT
Liverpool lost 2-1 to sevilla. A brief search of woodburn's name on twitter suggests that lpool fans really do not rate him or Wilson and can't see either making the grade. To be fair if they could meet the current expectations of the Liverpool fans they'd be good enough to get into any international side on the globe. I expect Wilson will play at premier league level for most of his career, not so sure about Woodburn. Either way they both need permanent moves away from Anfield to progress their career. Said many times before... liverpool will by big to chase the holy grail of the premier... both Wilson and wooburn will benefit a move... woodburn probably a loan ...
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jul 22, 2019 9:26:39 GMT
Liverpool lost 2-1 to sevilla. A brief search of woodburn's name on twitter suggests that lpool fans really do not rate him or Wilson and can't see either making the grade. To be fair if they could meet the current expectations of the Liverpool fans they'd be good enough to get into any international side on the globe. I expect Wilson will play at premier league level for most of his career, not so sure about Woodburn. Either way they both need permanent moves away from Anfield to progress their career. Said many times before... liverpool will by big to chase the holy grail of the premier... both Wilson and wooburn will benefit a move... woodburn probably a loan ...
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Post by iot on Jul 22, 2019 12:43:44 GMT
Liverpool lost 2-1 to sevilla. A brief search of woodburn's name on twitter suggests that lpool fans really do not rate him or Wilson and can't see either making the grade. To be fair if they could meet the current expectations of the Liverpool fans they'd be good enough to get into any international side on the globe. I expect Wilson will play at premier league level for most of his career, not so sure about Woodburn. Either way they both need permanent moves away from Anfield to progress their career. I've seen Harry Wilson more than enough times now, for Wales and Derby/Hull, to safely predict he will never become a top prem player. I think you're right, he's likely to be a decent mid/lower half prem player - probably a good fit for villa who are reportedly after him. Woodburn is much more of an unknown quantity. He obviously made a great impact a couple of seasons ago and was talked up as one of Liverpool's main prospects, but the last two seasons have been a massive disappointment. He is still 19 though, 3 years younger than Wilson, so his career could go either way. He's both more likely to become a top prem player and to fall down the leagues. Wilson's proven he's a top championship player at the very least. Woodburn hasn't had an opportunity to show that.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jul 22, 2019 14:22:01 GMT
To be fair if they could meet the current expectations of the Liverpool fans they'd be good enough to get into any international side on the globe. I expect Wilson will play at premier league level for most of his career, not so sure about Woodburn. Either way they both need permanent moves away from Anfield to progress their career. I've seen Harry Wilson more than enough times now, for Wales and Derby/Hull, to safely predict he will never become a top prem player. I think you're right, he's likely to be a decent mid/lower half prem player - probably a good fit for villa who are reportedly after him. Woodburn is much more of an unknown quantity. He obviously made a great impact a couple of seasons ago and was talked up as one of Liverpool's main prospects, but the last two seasons have been a massive disappointment. He is still 19 though, 3 years younger than Wilson, so his career could go either way. He's both more likely to become a top prem player and to fall down the leagues. Wilson's proven he's a top championship player at the very least. Woodburn hasn't had an opportunity to show that. Wilson is a long way of the finished article. With woodburn he was lifted to the heights of the next saviour as with Wilson/Brooks/ and now ampadu. We put alot on our youngsters as to take wales on to the next level when in fact they have to get regular football for they clubs.
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Post by welshiron on Jul 24, 2019 7:48:39 GMT
Ampadu will be top class
Brooks could well be top class
Wilson Woodburn matondo Smith mepham Roberts could all be very good players but may not be champions league quality.
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Post by marsvolta on Jul 30, 2019 5:35:52 GMT
Look like he’s off to League 1.
Oxford on loan.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 30, 2019 7:44:33 GMT
Look like he’s off to League 1. Oxford on loan. He wasn't ready for the Championship last season, so maybe this is the loan move he needs. I can't say it fills me with a lot of excitement though.
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Post by manulike on Jul 30, 2019 11:29:35 GMT
Look like he’s off to League 1. Oxford on loan. He wasn't ready for the Championship last season, so maybe this is the loan move he needs. I can't say it fills me with a lot of excitement though. I agree. But he is only 19, so plenty of time. Tasty match v Sunderland on Saturday, if true.
Good luck, Starman ;-)
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Post by CrackityJones on Jul 30, 2019 16:07:35 GMT
Underwhelmed:
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Post by dai on Jul 31, 2019 10:08:04 GMT
Not surprising, just another young footballer hyped up, and given far too much, far too young. Unfortunately, as I've said before, I don't think he will make it. Championship player at the very best. Just the reality of modern football.
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Post by insertname on Jul 31, 2019 15:09:11 GMT
Not surprising, just another young footballer hyped up, and given far too much, far too young. Unfortunately, as I've said before, I don't think he will make it. Championship player at the very best. Just the reality of modern football. Who hyped him up?
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 31, 2019 22:21:49 GMT
I think a lot of the people who are writing him off are forgetting he's only 19
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Post by manulike on Jul 31, 2019 22:43:32 GMT
I think a lot of the people who are writing him off are forgetting he's only 19 people on here were shocked when Cookie called up Harry Wilson for the Dublin match 2 years ago...
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Post by robin1864 on Jul 31, 2019 22:51:02 GMT
Not surprising, just another young footballer hyped up, and given far too much, far too young. Unfortunately, as I've said before, I don't think he will make it. Championship player at the very best. Just the reality of modern football. Who hyped him up? Most on here and in the Welsh footballsphere. We're equal, if not worse than England for doing it to our young players.
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Post by insertname on Aug 1, 2019 1:03:50 GMT
Most on here and in the Welsh footballsphere. We're equal, if not worse than England for doing it to our young players. I was being facetious My thoughts on the hyping of young players is well known. Liverpool fans hardly know he exists yet Welsh fans fête him like a messiah. We’re desperate for any sort of credible youngster to pin our hopes of qualification in 2036 on and it’s often not a good look as they tumble down the leagues and old threads where they were horrendously bigged up occasionally rise to the surface. Brooks, Ampadu and Wilson seem like they justify it but it has been well overboard in the case of Woodburn.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 1, 2019 6:48:30 GMT
Most on here and in the Welsh footballsphere. We're equal, if not worse than England for doing it to our young players. Rubbish. Any country in the world would have hyped up a 17 year old who came on an scored the winner like that in an important game. England hype up their players more than us due to the fact that the English press only care about their team. The Welsh press are far more low-key, and the scrutiny is far less intense.
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Post by texan on Aug 1, 2019 9:03:37 GMT
Most on here and in the Welsh footballsphere. We're equal, if not worse than England for doing it to our young players. Rubbish. Any country in the world would have hyped up a 17 year old who came on an scored the winner like that in an important game. England hype up their players more than us due to the fact that the English press only care about their team. The Welsh press are far more low-key, and the scrutiny is far less intense. Actually when Woodburn came on and performed for us the English media were up in arms, demanding to know why they didn't grab this kid, Durham was throwing a wobbly at us again and even Southgate made a few snide comments about us using English players. Basically they were upset that we had him and they didn't. This would suggest had he been English and done that for them he'd have been hyped equally so on the other side of Offa's Dyke.
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Post by insertname on Aug 1, 2019 11:19:19 GMT
Most on here and in the Welsh footballsphere. We're equal, if not worse than England for doing it to our young players. Rubbish. Any country in the world would have hyped up a 17 year old who came on an scored the winner like that in an important game. England hype up their players more than us due to the fact that the English press only care about their team. The Welsh press are far more low-key, and the scrutiny is far less intense. There is the problem though: one game is nothing, a fluke, a lucky strike. The annals of history are full of young lads who came on, had a good match and then disappeared. Look at George Williams- he had a great half of football, against the Dutch wasn’t it? Hyped to buggery and it turns out he isn’t even a decent football league standard player never mind an international. It’s better to reserve judgement especially if basing it on one game!
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Post by insertname on Aug 1, 2019 11:20:06 GMT
Rubbish. Any country in the world would have hyped up a 17 year old who came on an scored the winner like that in an important game. England hype up their players more than us due to the fact that the English press only care about their team. The Welsh press are far more low-key, and the scrutiny is far less intense. Actually when Woodburn came on and performed for us the English media were up in arms, demanding to know why they didn't grab this kid, Durham was throwing a wobbly at us again and even Southgate made a few snide comments about us using English players. Basically they were upset that we had him and they didn't. This would suggest had he been English and done that for them he'd have been hyped equally so on the other side of Offa's Dyke. Christ, I wonder if they feel embarrassed about themselves looking back? Most now would say “Ben who?!”
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 1, 2019 12:35:16 GMT
Rubbish. Any country in the world would have hyped up a 17 year old who came on an scored the winner like that in an important game. England hype up their players more than us due to the fact that the English press only care about their team. The Welsh press are far more low-key, and the scrutiny is far less intense. There is the problem though: one game is nothing, a fluke, a lucky strike. The annals of history are full of young lads who came on, had a good match and then disappeared. Look at George Williams- he had a great half of football, against the Dutch wasn’t it? Hyped to buggery and it turns out he isn’t even a decent football league standard player never mind an international. It’s better to reserve judgement especially if basing it on one game! Moldova sub appearance? Far too early to write off young Ben just yet.
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Post by bale-droed on Aug 1, 2019 12:38:37 GMT
I'm really surprised he didn't end up on loan at Rangers
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Post by manulike on Aug 1, 2019 12:39:59 GMT
If there is one thing that our Welsh supposed football supporters do better than the English is our Self-flagellation.
Why on earth should we not celebrate a magical month of football when a 17 year old was very near to dragging us into the WC?
And why oh why do they now write off a 19 year-old?
Shame on you!
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Post by bale-droed on Aug 1, 2019 12:41:51 GMT
If there is one thing that our Welsh supposed football supporters do better than the English is our Self-flagellation. Why on earth should we not celebrate a magical month of football when a 17 year old was very near to dragging us into the WC? And why oh why do they now write off a 19 year-old? Shame on you! Probably the same supporters who thought Harry Wilson was a failure at 19
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Post by insertname on Aug 1, 2019 13:28:29 GMT
If there is one thing that our Welsh supposed football supporters do better than the English is our Self-flagellation. Why on earth should we not celebrate a magical month of football when a 17 year old was very near to dragging us into the WC? And why oh why do they now write off a 19 year-old? Shame on you! How do you define 'celebrate'? It all gets out of proportion in my opinion. Pat him on the back for saving our ass and then move on. Daft nicknames like 'Starman' are OTT at that stage because he was a 17 year old and could be stacking shelves in 5 years time. Let them earn the plaudits in their own time based on appropriate merit. The English comparison is a good one as previously we have taken great amusement in them bigging up their young players or ones like Januzaj (who they wanted to poach) based on one good game. We are just as bad, if not worse.
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Post by insertname on Aug 1, 2019 13:30:35 GMT
There is the problem though: one game is nothing, a fluke, a lucky strike. The annals of history are full of young lads who came on, had a good match and then disappeared. Look at George Williams- he had a great half of football, against the Dutch wasn’t it? Hyped to buggery and it turns out he isn’t even a decent football league standard player never mind an international. It’s better to reserve judgement especially if basing it on one game! Moldova sub appearance? Far too early to write off young Ben just yet. It was a figure of speech but, it will be interesting to see how long it takes Woodburn to rack up 10 caps. His next one looks quite a way off. Will he even rack up 10 caps?
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Post by kingstonred on Aug 1, 2019 13:46:00 GMT
If he's playing regularly for Oxford I'd be amazed if Giggs didn't call him up. He was in every squad last season, and was playing for a youth team!
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Post by georgetm1 on Aug 1, 2019 14:54:52 GMT
Let's put this into perspective. Connor Roberts failed in a League 1 loan and now he is our first choice right back, Dan James couldn't get any games with Shrewsbury and now he plays for Man Utd, Harry Wilson went on loan to Crewe and now he is being courted by a load of Premier League teams. This isn't the end of Woodburn, his talent hasn't disappeared.
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Post by larslagerback on Aug 1, 2019 15:45:10 GMT
Let's put this into perspective. Connor Roberts failed in a League 1 loan and now he is our first choice right back, Dan James couldn't get any games with Shrewsbury and now he plays for Man Utd, Harry Wilson went on loan to Crewe and now he is being courted by a load of Premier League teams. This isn't the end of Woodburn, his talent hasn't disappeared. This is no place for rational thought and reason I'll have you know!
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Post by insertname on Aug 1, 2019 16:00:11 GMT
Let's put this into perspective. Connor Roberts failed in a League 1 loan and now he is our first choice right back, Dan James couldn't get any games with Shrewsbury and now he plays for Man Utd, Harry Wilson went on loan to Crewe and now he is being courted by a load of Premier League teams. This isn't the end of Woodburn, his talent hasn't disappeared. Conor Roberts was at Bristol Rovers and didn't necessarily fail - he just wasn't played because our manager didn't like playing loan players, we had Ollie McBurnie and he couldn't get a game either. But that being said we have also had Chelsea loanees who have gone on to do nothing. Well, one has just signed for that giant of football Ostersunds, if you can call that 'something'. So the point I am making is that the churn of young football players from prem clubs on loan to football league clubs every year is huge and they are just as likely to turn out to be crap as they are to be world beaters, hence why it doesn't pay to hype them up until they have had *at least* a season's worth of pro football to draw upon.
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Post by ae15 on Aug 1, 2019 16:22:25 GMT
Klopp has repeatedly said how talented Woodburn is, and he's a man who is generally a very good judge of ability.
It is disappointing that he hasn't been able to kick on from those Austria and Moldova games, but players develop at different ages. You look at players like Sancho, Hudson-Odoi, Ampadu, 18/19 year olds who are excellent for their age, and they're all pretty much fully grown. For me, Woodburn hasn't quite looked fully physically developed, and he'll continue struggling to make an impact on games until he gets a lot more first team minutes as well.
My hopes for him aren't as great as they were 2 years ago, but it's far far too early to be writing him off. As long as plays at Oxford, it'll be a great move for him.
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