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Post by alarch on Jun 21, 2018 9:56:31 GMT
He obviously isn't Wasn't good enough for Liverpool Went to Stoke as little or no choice Got relegated with Stoke Staying with Stoke, probably due to lack of interest Maybe he isn't as good as a lot of Welsh fans think Dear me, do you ever fill that glass half empty of yours? How about him being chosen in the team of the tournament for Euro 2016? He'd be the first name down in my Wales team coz he's that good/ important. What are you on about? No Premier League team wants him - he's obviously rubbish...
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jun 21, 2018 10:50:56 GMT
If he's happy where he is fine, probably on Premier League wages to re-sign with Stoke City anyway. He's good enough for any team in Premier league. He obviously isn't Wasn't good enough for Liverpool Went to Stoke as little or no choice Got relegated with Stoke Staying with Stoke, probably due to lack of interest Maybe he isn't as good as a lot of Welsh fans think Hes a quality player, if you cant see that i suggest you watch him more closely and watch how he dictates play, he calms the midfield, can pick a pass, but does the neat and tidy very well. Hes an asset to all the teams he has played for. He was excellent for the Swans, wasnt the type of player Klippety liked, so was shipped out of Liverpool, was Stoke's best player with Shaqiri, its a team game, and the team got relegated, that includes Allen, but they didnt go down because of Allen. Im convinced its just to ramp up the transfer fee. I think Allen will be picked up by a Premier League club. Its a long way until August.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jun 21, 2018 11:00:03 GMT
Joe Allen - Stoke City player of the year 2017/18 voted by the fans. ( I realise it was a poor season for the club ).
As previously mentioned 2016 Euros, selected in team of the tournament.
Welshiron, sorry but you should have gone to Specsavers, no offence.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jun 21, 2018 11:40:01 GMT
Joe Allen - Stoke City player of the year 2017/18 voted by the fans. ( I realise it was a poor season for the club ). As previously mentioned 2016 Euros, selected in team of the tournament. Welshiron, sorry but you should have gone to Specsavers, no offence. I agree, but Welshiron does seem to be a negative one.
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Post by matty on Jun 21, 2018 14:58:52 GMT
Joe Allen - Stoke City player of the year 2017/18 voted by the fans. ( I realise it was a poor season for the club ). As previously mentioned 2016 Euros, selected in team of the tournament. Welshiron, sorry but you should have gone to Specsavers, no offence. I agree, but Welshiron does seem to be a negative one. Negative is putting it mildly. We can all be guilty of building up players - wasn't Nyatanga off to Real Madrid once? But Allen has proven he is quality and for a Welsh fan to not see that is quite baffling. I'd guess that he suits international football better than premier league football hence why we see the best in him.
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Jun 21, 2018 16:46:50 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Jun 21, 2018 16:46:50 GMT
Which part of my post is wrong
Personally think he is a good player but his career would confirm no more than that.
Maybe he is more suited to international football or
Maybe the posters on here no more than the top managers again.
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Jun 21, 2018 16:47:31 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Jun 21, 2018 16:47:31 GMT
Realistic rather than negative
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jun 21, 2018 17:00:52 GMT
Welshiron is really only stating facts... yes he is goid player and great euros and top Welsh player
But no one has answered WHY no premier league come in for joe ? Let alone a European club. Are all these got it wrong and few on here are right.
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Jun 21, 2018 18:06:51 GMT
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Post by matty on Jun 21, 2018 18:06:51 GMT
Welshiron is really only stating facts... yes he is goid player and great euros and top Welsh player But no one has answered WHY no premier league come in for joe ? Let alone a European club. Are all these got it wrong and few on here are right. How do you know they haven't? As we dont know its not fact. He's under contract so a bid would need to be accepted by stoke. Or maybe he's settled in stoke and doesn't want to move. Or maybe the wages offered by the new club are not as high as he's currently on. That's also being realistic without being negative.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jun 21, 2018 18:22:32 GMT
Welshiron is really only stating facts... yes he is goid player and great euros and top Welsh player But no one has answered WHY no premier league come in for joe ? Let alone a European club. Are all these got it wrong and few on here are right. How do you know they haven't? As we dont know its not fact. He's under contract so a bid would need to be accepted by stoke. Or maybe he's settled in stoke and doesn't want to move. Or maybe the wages offered by the new club are not as high as he's currently on. That's also being realistic without being negative. I agree there may be others no one knows but I haven't seen any . Joe decided what was best for him he seen what's been offered but stayed at stoke. I have joe at derby any day and joe is a major player for Wales like bale Ramsey etc but let's not knock him for staying to get his club back up. Andmay stoke could be runners up in championship after derby 😎 and all be praising him Of a successful season.
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Jun 21, 2018 19:03:13 GMT
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Post by cymro on Jun 21, 2018 19:03:13 GMT
If Joe was English he'd have gotten a nice fat contract for some top 10 Premier League club after the Euros and that's about where he'd always stay. Welsh players will always be undervalued as we dont have the media to hype them to the rooftops.
Saying that I'm not convinced he's a top top player week in week out but he does a great job for us so I don't care too much about that.
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Post by richierich333 on Jun 22, 2018 8:44:55 GMT
If he's happy where he is fine, probably on Premier League wages to re-sign with Stoke City anyway. He's good enough for any team in Premier league. He obviously isn't Wasn't good enough for Liverpool Went to Stoke as little or no choice Got relegated with Stoke Staying with Stoke, probably due to lack of interest Maybe he isn't as good as a lot of Welsh fans think I'm sure there was some interest from Premier league clubs before he signed. Maybe the club wanted him to sign BECAUSE of the interest, to fend clubs off rather than what you are suggesting.
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Post by richierich333 on Jun 22, 2018 8:48:22 GMT
Joe Allen - Stoke City player of the year 2017/18 voted by the fans. ( I realise it was a poor season for the club ). As previously mentioned 2016 Euros, selected in team of the tournament. Welshiron, sorry but you should have gone to Specsavers, no offence. I have to side with the majority on this one Welshiron. I think you are being quite a bit harsh on Joe on this thread.
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Post by cadno on Jun 22, 2018 9:46:58 GMT
There's a reason Ireland hacked him off the pitch, he is quality.
I can't see him improving much of his game at Stoke to be honest, which is a shame.
But he's just turned 28, so you would imagine that we will see him in the Premier League again.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jun 22, 2018 10:12:18 GMT
He be the player rowett will be looking too. Rowett liked playing cautiously keeping the ball
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Post by cantonwelsh79 on Jun 22, 2018 10:17:44 GMT
Although I'd have preffered him to sign for a premier club (preferably Cardiff!!)I certainly don't think he should be knocked for staying at Stoke.
Loyalty shouldn't be criticised in this day and age and Jo has proved he's got the fight in him to stay and help Stoke back up. Top bloke! Staying in the championship wont effect him that much, hasn't done Chester much harm.
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Jun 22, 2018 19:36:57 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Jun 22, 2018 19:36:57 GMT
Top players play in the top leagues
Top he gets a move as he is better than the championship.
It is either a lack of offers or lack of ambition
Shaquiri isn't staying for example
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Jun 22, 2018 19:48:59 GMT
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Post by dai on Jun 22, 2018 19:48:59 GMT
Shaquiri deffo isnt after this WC!
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Jun 22, 2018 20:13:29 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Jun 22, 2018 20:13:29 GMT
No he will go to a good club
After a good euros Joe went to Stoke
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Post by alarch on Jun 22, 2018 22:17:07 GMT
Perhaps we're reading too much into Joe signing a new contract. All he's done is extend his contract from 3 to 4 years. This comment of Joe's suggests to me that the club have indicated that Stoke intend to play hardball:
"Tony Scholes made it very clear the club weren't interested in selling me," Allen told the club website.
"That stance from the club, coupled with how settled I am here, how happy I am and how much I've enjoyed it, made it pretty straightforward for me."
He was basically faced with the choice of putting in a transfer request, or getting the best deal for himself in the short term. He's too principled to do the former, so settled for a new contract - for now. For all we know he may well have negotiated a new, more realistic release clause, which prevented Joe putting in a transfer request, but assures Stoke of a good fee in case a Premier League do come in for him. Brendan Rodgers signed a new contract with Swansea weeks before he joined Liverpool - but the contract had a £5 million release clause - so a win-win for club and manager.
The bottom line is - if Joe continues to perform at the level he's shown consistently for the last few seasons and, equally importantly, stays consistently fit, then he'll be back in the Premier League sooner rather than later.
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Post by cantonwelsh79 on Jun 23, 2018 7:24:12 GMT
No he will go to a good club After a good euros Joe went to Stoke Yes he went to Stoke to play, instead of sitting on Liverpools bench because Klopp for whatever reason didn't like him -at the time Stoke were a mid table premier league club with big plans. A team containing players like Shaquiri and Arnautavic. Not his fault it went Tits up.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jun 23, 2018 10:44:48 GMT
No he will go to a good club After a good euros Joe went to Stoke Yes he went to Stoke to play, instead of sitting on Liverpools bench because Klopp for whatever reason didn't like him -at the time Stoke were a mid table premier league club with big plans. A team containing players like Shaquiri and Arnautavic. Not his fault it went Tits up. Was part of it tho 🤔
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Post by welshiron on Jun 23, 2018 13:27:05 GMT
No he will go to a good club After a good euros Joe went to Stoke Yes he went to Stoke to play, instead of sitting on Liverpools bench because Klopp for whatever reason didn't like him -at the time Stoke were a mid table premier league club with big plans. A team containing players like Shaquiri and Arnautavic. Not his fault it went Tits up. Why stoke and not a top club?
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Post by texan on Jun 23, 2018 14:24:25 GMT
Yes he went to Stoke to play, instead of sitting on Liverpools bench because Klopp for whatever reason didn't like him -at the time Stoke were a mid table premier league club with big plans. A team containing players like Shaquiri and Arnautavic. Not his fault it went Tits up. Why stoke and not a top club? Mark Hughes is why, he'd been wooing Allen during the Euros, Joe practically admitted as much when he signed. Hughes was out there speaking to him between matches.
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Post by cantonwelsh79 on Jun 23, 2018 14:50:36 GMT
Yes he went to Stoke to play, instead of sitting on Liverpools bench because Klopp for whatever reason didn't like him -at the time Stoke were a mid table premier league club with big plans. A team containing players like Shaquiri and Arnautavic. Not his fault it went Tits up. Why stoke and not a top club? They were top 10 previous year. One place below Liverpool (who they'd hammered) and had big aspirations of kicking on add to that the Mark Hughes factor that Texan mentioned. Looked like a sensible move to me at the time.
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 1, 2018 15:39:32 GMT
WTF IS HE DOING AT STOKE?
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Sept 1, 2018 15:46:40 GMT
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Post by dai on Sept 1, 2018 15:46:40 GMT
I thought he'd made the right choice start if the season but its clear the club is toxic. Wasted.
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Post by larslagerback on Sept 1, 2018 22:16:51 GMT
I thought he'd made the right choice start if the season but its clear the club is toxic. Wasted. I don't like to criticise one of my favourite players of all time but his decision to sign that contract is utterly baffling and perhaps shows a startling lack of ambition.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 1, 2018 22:30:39 GMT
I thought he'd made the right choice start if the season but its clear the club is toxic. Wasted. Your mind was in the gutter when you thought that. As was Joe's.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 1, 2018 22:31:33 GMT
WTF IS HE DOING AT STOKE? They must have an ace chicken farm in the training camp.
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