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Wrexham
Apr 5, 2019 14:23:56 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Apr 5, 2019 14:23:56 GMT
TNS walk the WPL every season with players who weren't good enough for Wrexham and the National League, that alone should end any debate, but seeing as people want to drag this out; C-Internationals are where butchers, bakers and candlestick makers get to feel big-time, so the players are obviously going to put in a good shift. The FAW Premier Cup (something I liked) would be Cardiff vs. Swansea every season without fail if it was still around and both teams took it seriously, Newport and Wrexham making the semi-finals. In the 11 years it ran, WPL teams only made the final 4 times, and only won twice. Today TNS would get a hiding off Newport, and Wrexham would beat Barry. Looking at the Welsh Cup, Airbus were only able to beat our youth team after extra time, which gives strength to my argument for the inclusion of Youth/Reserve sides as a competitive force in the WPL. As for the IRN-BRU Cup, it's a failing Scottish trinket which was previously only open to teams in the Scottish Championship and below, and Connah's Quay got slaughtered 3-1 in the final. .you dont half talk shite. The team that beat connah's quay will be in the spl next year and they should of been 3 up at half time. I watched the game. Secondly reserves in the league. Wrexham couldn't afford it according to you. You said nobody would watch your first team so how many would watch your reseve why should you have the money from the English system and the chance of Europe. Airbus are not current in the wpl. Dont think there are many ex Wrexham players in the current tns team. Are you sure Wrexham would beat Barry, probably but no certainty like u suggest. Tns win every year the same way as Celtic do. The European money allows them to train full time. There are also comparisons being made with other European leagues. How good would these be if the biggest 5 teams play over the border. Fed up of people taking cheap shots whilst bowing down to their English masters. Please sir can we have some more. Even better when u all sing anti English songs when there are usually more Welsh players in the opposition.
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Post by iot on Apr 5, 2019 14:26:23 GMT
TNS walk the WPL every season with players who weren't good enough for Wrexham and the National League, that alone should end any debate, but seeing as people want to drag this out; C-Internationals are where butchers, bakers and candlestick makers get to feel big-time, so the players are obviously going to put in a good shift. The FAW Premier Cup (something I liked) would be Cardiff vs. Swansea every season without fail if it was still around and both teams took it seriously, Newport and Wrexham making the semi-finals. In the 11 years it ran, WPL teams only made the final 4 times, and only won twice. Today TNS would get a hiding off Newport, and Wrexham would beat Barry. Looking at the Welsh Cup, Airbus were only able to beat our youth team after extra time, which gives strength to my argument for the inclusion of Youth/Reserve sides as a competitive force in the WPL. As for the IRN-BRU Cup, it's a failing Scottish trinket which was previously only open to teams in the Scottish Championship and below, and Connah's Quay got slaughtered 3-1 in the final. Firstly, you're being disingenuous, the comment made by erazedcitizen above is that the national league north is better than the WPL, not the national league itself. I would agree that the national league, overall, is a fair bit better, although I suspect the better WPL sides could hold their own / fight off relegation. Airbus isn't even in the Welsh prem, they're in the cymru alliance. With the exception of celtic, the scottish prem is regarded to be equivalent to championship / upper league 1 level. So the scottish champ is likely equivalent to league 2 at the very least.
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Post by robin1864 on Apr 5, 2019 14:54:13 GMT
.you dont half talk shite. The team that beat connah's quay will be in the spl next year and they should of been 3 up at half time. I watched the game. Secondly reserves in the league. Wrexham couldn't afford it according to you. You said nobody would watch your first team so how many would watch your reseve why should you have the money from the English system and the chance of Europe. Airbus are not current in the wpl. Dont think there are many ex Wrexham players in the current tns team. Are you sure Wrexham would beat Barry, probably but no certainty like u suggest. Tns win every year the same way as Celtic do. The European money allows them to train full time. There are also comparisons being made with other European leagues. How good would these be if the biggest 5 teams play over the border. Fed up of people taking cheap shots whilst bowing down to their English masters. Please sir can we have some more. Even better when u all sing anti English songs when there are usually more Welsh players in the opposition. People do watch youth teams and reserves though, it detracts from the novelty and giving youth a decent competitive run-out if your senior team is already in that league however. If our reserves made it to Europe, more power to them; there are registration rules in place which would see the same side play in Europe, not like we could pick and choose which players get to represent Wrexham in what at that point. The rest of this is post is just sentimental nonsense. Firstly, you're being disingenuous, the comment made by erazedcitizen above is that the national league north is better than the WPL, not the national league itself. I would agree that the national league, overall, is a fair bit better, although I suspect the better WPL sides could hold their own / fight off relegation. Airbus isn't even in the Welsh prem, they're in the cymru alliance. With the exception of celtic, the scottish prem is regarded to be equivalent to championship / upper league 1 level. So the scottish champ is likely equivalent to league 2 at the very least. Bloody hell I've rustled some jimmies. "Airbus ain't in the WPL any more, get ya facts right!!" and yet people saw them, Port Talbot, Llanelli and Neath as viable challengers to TNS's dominance not very long ago. The hallmark of a 'strong and stable' competition teams should be dying to become part of. With the exception of Celtic being lower PL/upper Championship, and Rangers being mid-table Championship, the Scottish Premier ranges wildly from League One to National League. Louis Moult went up there and scored goals for fun.
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Wrexham
Apr 6, 2019 16:58:23 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 6, 2019 16:58:23 GMT
Unconvincing today but we got the job done. These lads surely aren't good enough to take us up, but no one else in a play off position seems to fancy it either. That gives us a glimmer of hope.
Also, snakey mcsnakeface has been relieved of his duties at Walsall.
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Post by robin1864 on Apr 6, 2019 21:06:49 GMT
Unconvincing today but we got the job done. These lads surely aren't good enough to take us up, but no one else in a play off position seems to fancy it either. That gives us a glimmer of hope. Also, snakey mcsnakeface has been relieved of his duties at Walsall. I'm hoping for a real Hollywood-style ending to this season, but it's clutching at straws. One bastard down and career in ruins, one to go. Rushall Olympic beckons, Deano.
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Post by rncfc on Apr 8, 2019 10:12:37 GMT
What evidence? My evidence is that I've watched football at both levels. I suggest you do the same before you come back to me. The C Internationals, performances in the Irn Bru Cup, the competitiveness of the FAW Premier Cup when that was held. They're far better and more objective sources of evidence than the purely subjective insights from a few games you've watched at both levels. And btw, I've also watched both levels and some of Wrexham's games are certainly nothing to write home about. Besides, I don't doubt that the conference is of a higher level than the welsh prem, but you were implying, completely matter of factly, that the level below that is better than the welsh prem. The C internationals where England only pick players under the age of 23? Sorry, but the National League is absolutely miles ahead of the WPL. TNS would struggle to survive in it, although I guess their owner may bankroll them if they ever chose to have a go at it, so they could survive if they brought in better players. It's nice to see smaller Welsh clubs doing well, but villages with populations of a few thousand will only ever go so far. To have clubs like Wrexham having to play in the same league as villages and factories is surely some sort of joke? It's indicative of the unusual geography of Wales really, but until populations increase tenfold and rural Wales becomes more urbanised having "the big 4" compete in Wales is just lunacy and would reduce the quality of football in Wales - because all 4 clubs would, to all intents and purposes, cease to exist immediately.
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Post by alarch on Apr 8, 2019 10:26:52 GMT
As I stated previously I'm very much in favour of Wrexham remaining in the English pyramid, but when Wrexham fans needlessly denigrate the WPL and the Welsh pyramid they really don't do themselves any favours.
To describe the towns (or notionally cities) such as Bangor, Aberystwyth, Carmarthen and Rhyl as villages with populations of a few thousands is ridiculous - as is the idea that the National League is absolutely miles ahead of the WPL. The New Saints don't need to be bankrolled - thanks to European money every season, and they would hold their own against most teams in the league. The average standard is probably lower than national league standard, but not by much. Regardless, there's nothing compelling Wrexham (et al) to join the WPL, so there's no need for their fans to get so uppity and trash the WPL. We're all part of the same Welsh footballing family, let's not create needless divisions.
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Post by rncfc on Apr 8, 2019 10:49:20 GMT
As I stated previously I'm very much in favour of Wrexham remaining in the English pyramid, but when Wrexham fans needlessly denigrate the WPL and the Welsh pyramid they really don't do themselves any favours. To describe the towns (or notionally cities) such as Bangor, Aberystwyth, Carmarthen and Rhyl as villages with populations of a few thousands is ridiculous - as is the idea that the National League is absolutely miles ahead of the WPL. The New Saints don't need to be bankrolled - thanks to European money every season, and they would hold their own against most teams in the league. The average standard is probably lower than national league standard, but not by much. Regardless, there's nothing compelling Wrexham (et al) to join the WPL, so there's no need for their fans to get so uppity and trash the WPL. We're all part of the same Welsh footballing family, let's not create needless divisions. I acknowledge that the clubs you mention are bigger than villages, but the rest of the clubs you haven't mentioned are very small places who clubs like Wrexham should not be in the same league as - not when that league represents the peak level of national football with no chance of further progression. Maybe in a few generations time it might make more sense, and if ALL Welsh clubs made the move it would be more palatable. TNS would not hold their own in the National League, I'm sorry but they just wouldn't. I do agree that the English-based Welsh clubs should field reserve sides in the Welsh system (starting down the levels of course) for the following reasons; 1) It gives those clubs a closer affinity with the Welsh setup, which may prove beneficial in the future. Newport in particular have every right to hold the Welsh system in complete disdain after what the FAW put them through. 2) Cardiff and Swansea's reserve side would be attractive to watch your local side go and compete against. It would definitely improve crowds. You would get international players coming back from injury having a few games to get up to speed, for example. 3) Fans of exiled clubs like me would start going to watch. If the first team are away to Carlisle but the reserves are home to Barry, guess what, I'll go and watch competitive football for a few quid against Barry. More money and interest then enters the Welsh game and, guess what, within a few years I might even be more open to the idea of playing in Wales. I would definitely go and watch us against the top Welsh-based sides, possibly even instead of watching the first team play someone drab at home like Stevenage.
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Wrexham
Apr 8, 2019 14:35:09 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 8, 2019 14:35:09 GMT
Who's needlessly denigrating the WPL? The quality of player in that league is typically on par with those a couple of levels below ourselves, I made that point to argue against the need to place Wrexham in the WPL.
With perhaps the exception of regular champions TNS, the teams are either filled with cast offs from the National League, National League North or National League South or ones who'd struggle to make that grade. We don't have to call that a fact, but it's not a baseless assumption either.
It's important to recognise the lack of quality on the whole of that league so we can look at ways to improve, as the league does provide some gems every now and again so there is plenty of potential there.
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Post by massivefloodlights on Apr 8, 2019 16:39:43 GMT
point of order. Airbus were a decent WPL side when they beat Wrexham youth team.
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Post by biwmares on Apr 8, 2019 17:51:06 GMT
Apparently if Bangor City had installed crush barriers they would have been in the 4th division of the football league. At the end of 1977–78 when Southport was relegated from the English Football League Fourth Division, Bangor City, Boston United and Wigan Athletic were considered for promotion instead. Due to Wigan Athletic having installed crush barriers, Bangor missed out on promotion.
In 1979–80 Bangor City was invited to compete in the Alliance Premier League ( Conference League), which would become the English game's de facto fifth division.
In May 1984 Bangor became the first Welsh club to play at Wembley since Cardiff in 1927, when reaching the FA Trophy final against Northwich Victoria. The match finished 1–1. The replay was played in Stoke's Victoria Ground and Bangor lost 2–1.
Fairplay they have done well for a village team.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Apr 8, 2019 19:08:11 GMT
Apparently if Bangor City had installed crush barriers they would have been in the 4th division of the football league. At the end of 1977–78 when Southport was relegated from the English Football League Fourth Division, Bangor City, Boston United and Wigan Athletic were considered for promotion instead. Due to Wigan Athletic having installed crush barriers, Bangor missed out on promotion. In 1979–80 Bangor City was invited to compete in the Alliance Premier League ( Conference League), which would become the English game's de facto fifth division. In May 1984 Bangor became the first Welsh club to play at Wembley since Cardiff in 1927, when reaching the FA Trophy final against Northwich Victoria. The match finished 1–1. The replay was played in Stoke's Victoria Ground and Bangor lost 2–1. Fairplay they have done well for a village team. When you include successful European Cup Winner's Cup exploits years ago, they've a fine past. Shame they've gone to the dogs recently.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 8, 2019 21:20:30 GMT
Apparently if Bangor City had installed crush barriers they would have been in the 4th division of the football league. At the end of 1977–78 when Southport was relegated from the English Football League Fourth Division, Bangor City, Boston United and Wigan Athletic were considered for promotion instead. Due to Wigan Athletic having installed crush barriers, Bangor missed out on promotion. In 1979–80 Bangor City was invited to compete in the Alliance Premier League ( Conference League), which would become the English game's de facto fifth division. In May 1984 Bangor became the first Welsh club to play at Wembley since Cardiff in 1927, when reaching the FA Trophy final against Northwich Victoria. The match finished 1–1. The replay was played in Stoke's Victoria Ground and Bangor lost 2–1. Fairplay they have done well for a village team. When you include successful European Cup Winner's Cup exploits years ago, they've a fine past. Shame they've gone to the dogs recently. It's a massive shame, but the Vaughans are toxic. I was heavily disappointed in our board for arranging a friendly with them pre season, as it just put money into their hands. The disappearance of Bangor City hasn't done the WPL any favours, I hope a phoenix team can be started soon in the city but I don't know if there's enough of a fanbase anymore. I'd hope there is. This isn't pointed at you, but for the record I don't agree with the village team statement either. Some of these clubs do have a long history and are well supported, I'm purely harping on about the standard which I wish to see improve. One way of doing so would probably be to allow Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and maybe sometime in the future, Wrexham, to field reserve sides in the league.
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Post by garynysmon on Apr 9, 2019 8:23:08 GMT
No disrespect, but a lot of Wrexham fans will automatically dismiss any positive aspects of the WPL as they are intrinsically opposed to their club joining the Welsh system.
As a result, they will never admit or consider that the standard is anywhere near Vanarama National as doing so would weaken their argument to stay in England.
Personally I feel its hard to compare both leagues as its not a ‘like for like’ comparison.
The WPL is mainly part time while the National League is mainly full time, meaning that one has the best part-timers while the other has the worst full-timers.
I find most National League matches to be turgid to watch as its full of huge, physical players, but perhaps lack finesse.
I find WPL matches much more interesting to watch but its like comparing apples and oranges really and I think most WPL players would struggle to compete in the land of the giants.
As regards to the “crowds would drop to nothing” argument, well that’s bollocks isn’t it?
TNS make £1m a year from Champions League qualification which, with respect, is more than Wrexham will make this season or the forseeable future.
Fair enough a lot of supporters want to see their clubs stay in England but I don't understand this mindset that its a ridiculous concept and shouldn't even be talked about.
A football team playing in its own country's league system, oh the horror... If your supporters are happy to turn out in their thousands to see glamour sides like Barrow then I can't see why it would be such a turn off to watch teams much nearer to home.
At the end of the day surely they're Wrexham fans, not fans of the Vanarama National or whatever.
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Post by superunknown on Apr 9, 2019 8:46:22 GMT
No disrespect, but a lot of Wrexham fans will automatically dismiss any positive aspects of the WPL as they are intrinsically opposed to their club joining the Welsh system. As a result, they will never admit or consider that the standard is anywhere near Vanarama National as doing so would weaken their argument to stay in England. Personally I feel its hard to compare both leagues as its not a ‘like for like’ comparison. The WPL is mainly part time while the National League is mainly full time. I find most National League matches to be turgid to watch as its full of huge, physical players, but perhaps lack finesse. I find WPL matches much more interesting to watch but its like comparing apples and oranges really and I think most WPL players would struggle to compete in the land of the giants. As regards to the “crowds would drop to nothing” argument, well that’s bollocks isn’t it? TNS make £1m a year from Champions League qualification which, with respect, is more than Wrexham will make this season or the forseeable future. Fair enough a lot of supporters want to see their clubs stay in England but I don't understand this mindset that its a ridiculous concept and shouldn't even be talked about. A football team playing in its own country's league system, oh the horror... If your supporters are happy to turn out in their thousands to see glamour sides like Barrow then I can't see why it would be such a turn off to watch teams much nearer to home. At the end of the day surely they're Wrexham fans, not fans of the Vanarama National or whatever. No issue with most of what you said, different leagues but I'd argue the NL is of a slightly higher quality but not an awful lot in it. I'd agree it's not great to watch either. I believe the crowds would drop tbh, for better or for worse we have a lot of floating fans who just wouldn't bother anymore. They may come back if we had a bit of a run in European qualification but initially there'd be a big drop off. In regards to the £1m a year suggestion, that's just complete nonsense. A cursory glance at our financial statement for the tax year 2017-18 would show we made £2.4mil. We made £2.6mil the year before. Our argument isn't that we want to stay in the National League, in fact it's the complete opposite, we want to get out of this league asap and get promoted to the football league so we can stop playing sides like Barrow, Braintree and Havant and Waterlooville and start playing teams like Bury, Bradford and Crewe.
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Post by garynysmon on Apr 9, 2019 9:50:15 GMT
Apologies, what I meant is £1m in prize money from any source. I assume the £2.4m includes gate revenue etc.
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Wrexham
Apr 10, 2019 11:44:46 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 10, 2019 11:44:46 GMT
No disrespect, but a lot of Wrexham fans will automatically dismiss any positive aspects of the WPL as they are intrinsically opposed to their club joining the Welsh system. As a result, they will never admit or consider that the standard is anywhere near Vanarama National as doing so would weaken their argument to stay in England. Stopped reading here. You're completely wrong on this (when it comes to myself anyway) but your mind seems made up so there's no point trying to convince you otherwise. If you read up, you'll see that I made a couple of positive comments about the WPL too.
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Apr 10, 2019 22:31:35 GMT
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Post by garynysmon on Apr 10, 2019 22:31:35 GMT
Did I say “all” Wrexham fans or “a lot” of Wrexham fans?
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 11, 2019 6:26:57 GMT
Did I say “all” Wrexham fans or “a lot” of Wrexham fans? Seemed likely you were referring to myself, given I'm the only one harping on about it. Apologies if I got that wrong...
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Post by robin1864 on Apr 11, 2019 18:38:49 GMT
No disrespect, but a lot of Wrexham fans will automatically dismiss any positive aspects of the WPL as they are intrinsically opposed to their club joining the Welsh system. As regards to the “crowds would drop to nothing” argument, well that’s bollocks isn’t it? TNS make £1m a year from Champions League qualification which, with respect, is more than Wrexham will make this season or the forseeable future. A football team playing in its own country's league system, oh the horror... If your supporters are happy to turn out in their thousands to see glamour sides like Barrow then I can't see why it would be such a turn off to watch teams much nearer to home. I would never be against my club fielding a reserve team in the Welsh system, for the reasons myself and rncfc have stated, with big reasons being watching the youth play when the seniors are away, and giving players like Danny Ward, Aaron Ramsey or Joe Allen the chance to play competitive football whilst still being within their club's care. Go all chips in however, and none of it would happen. The National League isn't the best of competitions, but teams like Barrow, Halifax, Orient, Chesterfield etc. are sides we have history with and long memories of playing. FGR, Fleetwood, Fylde and Salford are plastic sugar-daddy teams that people would love to beat, so there's enough of a mix there to make it enjoyable. You talk about the crowds plummeting argument being bollocks, then ramble on about TNS's European money, offering nothing to support your claim. My guess is crowds would dip to 1500 and then rest at 600-800 after several seasons once the reality sets in that this is the peak, huge by WPL standards but well below what we're used to.
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Apr 11, 2019 21:18:21 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 11, 2019 21:18:21 GMT
No disrespect, but a lot of Wrexham fans will automatically dismiss any positive aspects of the WPL as they are intrinsically opposed to their club joining the Welsh system. As a result, they will never admit or consider that the standard is anywhere near Vanarama National as doing so would weaken their argument to stay in England. Personally I feel its hard to compare both leagues as its not a ‘like for like’ comparison. The WPL is mainly part time while the National League is mainly full time, meaning that one has the best part-timers while the other has the worst full-timers. I find most National League matches to be turgid to watch as its full of huge, physical players, but perhaps lack finesse. I find WPL matches much more interesting to watch but its like comparing apples and oranges really and I think most WPL players would struggle to compete in the land of the giants. As regards to the “crowds would drop to nothing” argument, well that’s bollocks isn’t it? TNS make £1m a year from Champions League qualification which, with respect, is more than Wrexham will make this season or the forseeable future. Fair enough a lot of supporters want to see their clubs stay in England but I don't understand this mindset that its a ridiculous concept and shouldn't even be talked about. A football team playing in its own country's league system, oh the horror... If your supporters are happy to turn out in their thousands to see glamour sides like Barrow then I can't see why it would be such a turn off to watch teams much nearer to home. At the end of the day surely they're Wrexham fans, not fans of the Vanarama National or whatever. The standards may possibly be similar, but you have to remember this is probably the worst ever Wrexham side and do you think a TNS or Connah’s Quay could beat Wrexham? All we can really go off is the players, Bakare was awful for Wrexham and he’s amazing for Connahs Quay. The likes of Spender, Marriott who Wrexham released for not being good enough are playing for the best ever Welsh team, the team so good they’re at an unfair advantage over everyone else. I love Wrexham, I love the Welsh system, but the two should be kept apart. Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham, Newport are in a different world to Colwyn Bay and Merthyr can’t last too much longer financially.
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Post by robin1864 on Apr 11, 2019 23:07:12 GMT
No disrespect, but a lot of Wrexham fans will automatically dismiss any positive aspects of the WPL as they are intrinsically opposed to their club joining the Welsh system. As a result, they will never admit or consider that the standard is anywhere near Vanarama National as doing so would weaken their argument to stay in England. Personally I feel its hard to compare both leagues as its not a ‘like for like’ comparison. The WPL is mainly part time while the National League is mainly full time, meaning that one has the best part-timers while the other has the worst full-timers. I find most National League matches to be turgid to watch as its full of huge, physical players, but perhaps lack finesse. I find WPL matches much more interesting to watch but its like comparing apples and oranges really and I think most WPL players would struggle to compete in the land of the giants. As regards to the “crowds would drop to nothing” argument, well that’s bollocks isn’t it? TNS make £1m a year from Champions League qualification which, with respect, is more than Wrexham will make this season or the forseeable future. Fair enough a lot of supporters want to see their clubs stay in England but I don't understand this mindset that its a ridiculous concept and shouldn't even be talked about. A football team playing in its own country's league system, oh the horror... If your supporters are happy to turn out in their thousands to see glamour sides like Barrow then I can't see why it would be such a turn off to watch teams much nearer to home. At the end of the day surely they're Wrexham fans, not fans of the Vanarama National or whatever. The standards may possibly be similar, but you have to remember this is probably the worst ever Wrexham side and do you think a TNS or Connah’s Quay could beat Wrexham? All we can really go off is the players, Bakare was awful for Wrexham and he’s amazing for Connahs Quay. The likes of Spender, Marriott who Wrexham released for not being good enough are playing for the best ever Welsh team, the team so good they’re at an unfair advantage over everyone else. I love Wrexham, I love the Welsh system, but the two should be kept apart. Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham, Newport are in a different world to Colwyn Bay and Merthyr can’t last too much longer financially. Adrian Cieslewicz; All bark but no bite for Wrexham, the best thing since sliced bread for TNS. Blaine Hudson; Not good enough for Wrexham, went to Chester. Rejected at Chester, went to TNS. Carl Darlington; Godsend for TNS, but a punishment from God inflicted upon Wrexham. Bakare, Ashton and most of our youth team who don't make the grade end up dropping into the WPL and do alright. But obviously, the WPL is supreme and we're just daft for not figuring out how good Leon Clowes actually was; he'd easily shut teams out if he were in the NL.
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Post by welwyn on Apr 12, 2019 8:46:46 GMT
The standards may possibly be similar, but you have to remember this is probably the worst ever Wrexham side and do you think a TNS or Connah’s Quay could beat Wrexham? All we can really go off is the players, Bakare was awful for Wrexham and he’s amazing for Connahs Quay. The likes of Spender, Marriott who Wrexham released for not being good enough are playing for the best ever Welsh team, the team so good they’re at an unfair advantage over everyone else. I love Wrexham, I love the Welsh system, but the two should be kept apart. Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham, Newport are in a different world to Colwyn Bay and Merthyr can’t last too much longer financially. Adrian Cieslewicz; All bark but no bite for Wrexham, the best thing since sliced bread for TNS.Frankly, when we in the conference with you, I thought he was your best player every time we played you.
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Post by eppingblue on Apr 12, 2019 9:35:01 GMT
Its for Wrexham fans and the town to decide where they should be playing. Personally I think they're far to big for the Welsh Premier league. Average attendance this season, comfortably over 5,000. Average attendance in the Welsh premier league up to Christmas was just 4,248, but that was the average of all 12 teams combined. Of course they should play in the English pyramid and there's still hope this season.
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 12, 2019 9:51:39 GMT
I think we should all be proud of the Welsh system and not look down our noses at it, but at the same time suggesting Wrexham or any of the other 3 full time clubs should join is crazy. I like the Welsh system and don’t think it’s as bad as people make out but it’s not fit in so many ways for the major Welsh teams.
Only way I can see those clubs joining is if all the Welsh teams got some major backing. All the populated areas completely got behind their team, only one in the Welsh system you could say get this is Caernarfon. But even then it’ll be such a closed shop no one would stand a chance.
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Apr 12, 2019 12:49:35 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 12, 2019 12:49:35 GMT
Adrian Cieslewicz; All bark but no bite for Wrexham, the best thing since sliced bread for TNS. Frankly, when we in the conference with you, I thought he was your best player every time we played you. He had a couple of cracking games against Luton. That play off semi after losing 3-0 to yourselves at home, he inspired what looked to be a brave comeback before Gareth Taylor spaffed his penalty. He was brilliant at Brighton too. Sadly, he was incredibly inconsistent and had far more days where he looked garbage. Still, I'd have him as an option on the bench over some of the tripe we have now.
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Post by iot on Apr 12, 2019 13:28:19 GMT
The standards may possibly be similar, but you have to remember this is probably the worst ever Wrexham side and do you think a TNS or Connah’s Quay could beat Wrexham? All we can really go off is the players, Bakare was awful for Wrexham and he’s amazing for Connahs Quay. The likes of Spender, Marriott who Wrexham released for not being good enough are playing for the best ever Welsh team, the team so good they’re at an unfair advantage over everyone else. I love Wrexham, I love the Welsh system, but the two should be kept apart. Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham, Newport are in a different world to Colwyn Bay and Merthyr can’t last too much longer financially. Adrian Cieslewicz; All bark but no bite for Wrexham, the best thing since sliced bread for TNS.Blaine Hudson; Not good enough for Wrexham, went to Chester. Rejected at Chester, went to TNS. Carl Darlington; Godsend for TNS, but a punishment from God inflicted upon Wrexham. Bakare, Ashton and most of our youth team who don't make the grade end up dropping into the WPL and do alright. But obviously, the WPL is supreme and we're just daft for not figuring out how good Leon Clowes actually was; he'd easily shut teams out if he were in the NL. "the best thing since sliced bread for TNS", what are you talking about? From my understanding, Cieslewicz has been underwhelming at TNS. He's only scored four times in the Welsh prem this season for example. If anything, his example would suggest that there isn't much of a gap.
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Post by robin1864 on Apr 13, 2019 11:28:29 GMT
Adrian Cieslewicz; All bark but no bite for Wrexham, the best thing since sliced bread for TNS.Blaine Hudson; Not good enough for Wrexham, went to Chester. Rejected at Chester, went to TNS. Carl Darlington; Godsend for TNS, but a punishment from God inflicted upon Wrexham. Bakare, Ashton and most of our youth team who don't make the grade end up dropping into the WPL and do alright. But obviously, the WPL is supreme and we're just daft for not figuring out how good Leon Clowes actually was; he'd easily shut teams out if he were in the NL. "the best thing since sliced bread for TNS", what are you talking about? From my understanding, Cieslewicz has been underwhelming at TNS. He's only scored four times in the Welsh prem this season for example. If anything, his example would suggest that there isn't much of a gap. He scored 32 whilst at TNS in 75 games. Currently he's at 37 goals in 116 games. At Wrexham, he scored 16 in 114 games. "Isn't much of a gap" 😂
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Apr 13, 2019 12:33:19 GMT
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Post by derynglas on Apr 13, 2019 12:33:19 GMT
Those stats might just as easily show that Cieslewich worked on his game and became a better player after his time at Wrexham.Thats what it's all about go into a different environment and prove people wrong.Rhys Griffith's played for several clubs without great success before he finally started sgoring goals for fun at Llanelli.
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Apr 14, 2019 10:34:16 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 14, 2019 10:34:16 GMT
Back on topic, terrific win yesterday which all but confirms a home play off tie first for ourselves. Considering our poor away form, I'm over the moon. We could well be putting together a good run going into the play offs. Just a shame that Solihull and Orient managed to find winners, but top 3 isn't out of reach considering Solihull and Orient face each other soon.
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