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Wrexham
Dec 7, 2019 15:49:28 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Dec 7, 2019 15:49:28 GMT
We had Newell on a 2.5 year contract too. Mills was given the boot, Wilkin before him, Morrell before that. Mills had his own team with him, think Wilkin had his own assistant. It’s great to receive compensation for the managers but in general we don’t send them on the do bigger and better things. The DSA I have no first hand idea of, only the both sides being chuck on the internet for all to read. I thought the management was to be taken on by the club. Someone would either need to be bought in to overview it or help or to cover for someone else to move over to help out. We’ve beaten 2 teams when they were top of the league which was impressive I agree, but we’re losing the dogfights around us. Losing to the ones in a relegation fight are 6 pointers, you’ll only benefit from 3 beating the top teams. I don’t think the board should step down immediately, I’m against that, however I do think they can’t accept criticism which is destroying the club slowly. Every decision is seen as the right one, even awful ones allowed to drag on in the hope it’ll save their egos. They keep upsetting the people who put them in power in the first place, fans, DSA, WST not informed of decisions ahead of time. They are representatives of the fans who are the rightful owners of the club, in every decision it seems they’ve bought into and probably safeguarded their positions on the board so that they now control Wrexham. Insulting RP in conferences when RP for many was the rallying point to save this club on so many occasions. Throwing Dixie in front of the cameras saying he appointed Keates leaving the poor guy confused saying it was a board decision. I could go on about what I feel but this’ll drag on for pages. Dixie tbf has been a regular in the directors box for years. He was involved in the latest manager talks. He was invited to join the board a few months back. After FA due diligence was carried out, which drags on by the looks of it he accepted a place on the board. An extra voice, an extra pair of ears in the boardroom, that’s what we wanted that’s what we’ve got. Still room for one or two others imo. As for the current board can’t accept criticism, managers have come and gone, surely that’s holding their hands up to say they got it wrong. Maybe we should put them in the stocks on High st. I’m starting to think you’re either on the board or close to someone on the board. The only time the entourage weren’t at managers press conferences was Keates, which they knew would be unpopular, so they threw him under the bus telling the media team it was Dixies decision, and he stood there confused as anything. They should have fired Hughes ages before they did, the fans turned on the board because they were asking for him to go and they sat on their hands either not listening or not caring, probably hoping he’d turn into Guardiola so they can congratulate themselves again. You agree with them stopping fans picking any stand to sit then?
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Wrexham
Dec 7, 2019 17:00:25 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 7, 2019 17:00:25 GMT
2 on the bounce, yes!!!
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Post by haruki on Dec 7, 2019 19:56:56 GMT
Living within our means shouldn’t be doing a good job, it’s basic common sense. We’d be in more of a healthy position financially if they hadn’t let the on field problems get so bad. Paying off all these managers/coaches and loss of attendance will hurt us eventually. Thank goodness we got the failed ex Scarborough manager tied down to a 3 year contract though. Took my girlfriend and her sister to their first matches and wanted to buy them shirts with their name on, phoned up in the morning and they refuse to print shirts on match day... £100 loss. How many others who live outside the area would want similar, to get it when they’re there, but they refuse custom. How much will we have to pay agency staff to steward after the DSA fallout? We could be making a lot more money than we are. I never said we’re in meltdown, not yet anyway, relegation would be. I said meltdown because when people discuss these things they take an extreme case and make it the rule, such as Macclesfield. We’ve accumulated this amount of points playing every team in our league once, it’s a good indication of what to expect in the second half of the season. Will we all of a sudden go and beat all these teams we couldn’t beat in the first half of the season? Keates - received compensation. Ricketts - received compensation. Barrow - left of his own accord. Hughes - sacked. By my reckoning we should be quids in regards the managerial revolving door. Far from ideal of course but a fallacy to think out of pocket based on them alone. The DSA is still run by the same set of volunteers as before, certainly no paid agency staff been brought in. Nothings changed there at all apart from a couple of bruised egos. The shirt printing issue on a match day I’m surprised at tbh. The people in the club shop are more than accommodating and usually go out of their way to help. As for results to date, not good enough but an indicator to the second half of the season? Who knows. That’s what makes the game so unpredictable. After all we’ve only lost two games to teams in the top seven so far, but have beaten 3 of them. Spencer - you have forgotten the following Morrell sacked Wilkin sacked mills sacked it is typical of you to distort facts to suit your argument just as you tried to do on Radio Wakes today before Phillios and Blake took you to pieces.
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Post by rob on Dec 7, 2019 20:57:30 GMT
Arfon aka Spencer,Rob Phillips and Nathan Blake's response after the interview said it all.People think you are a joke,show some humility.
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Wrexham
Dec 8, 2019 12:46:21 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 8, 2019 12:46:21 GMT
We had Newell on a 2.5 year contract too. Mills was given the boot, Wilkin before him, Morrell before that. Mills had his own team with him, think Wilkin had his own assistant. It’s great to receive compensation for the managers but in general we don’t send them on the do bigger and better things. The DSA I have no first hand idea of, only the both sides being chuck on the internet for all to read. I thought the management was to be taken on by the club. Someone would either need to be bought in to overview it or help or to cover for someone else to move over to help out. We’ve beaten 2 teams when they were top of the league which was impressive I agree, but we’re losing the dogfights around us. Losing to the ones in a relegation fight are 6 pointers, you’ll only benefit from 3 beating the top teams. I don’t think the board should step down immediately, I’m against that, however I do think they can’t accept criticism which is destroying the club slowly. Every decision is seen as the right one, even awful ones allowed to drag on in the hope it’ll save their egos. They keep upsetting the people who put them in power in the first place, fans, DSA, WST not informed of decisions ahead of time. They are representatives of the fans who are the rightful owners of the club, in every decision it seems they’ve bought into and probably safeguarded their positions on the board so that they now control Wrexham. Insulting RP in conferences when RP for many was the rallying point to save this club on so many occasions. Throwing Dixie in front of the cameras saying he appointed Keates leaving the poor guy confused saying it was a board decision. I could go on about what I feel but this’ll drag on for pages. Dixie tbf has been a regular in the directors box for years. He was involved in the latest manager talks. He was invited to join the board a few months back. After FA due diligence was carried out, which drags on by the looks of it he accepted a place on the board. An extra voice, an extra pair of ears in the boardroom, that’s what we wanted that’s what we’ve got. Still room for one or two others imo. As for the current board can’t accept criticism, managers have come and gone, surely that’s holding their hands up to say they got it wrong. Maybe we should put them in the stocks on High st. At Bryan Hughes's meet the manager, the board didn't accept any wrongdoing in hiring Barrow, they only defended their actions. What is it with you lot in going from one extreme to the other? You'll recall that I emailed you, advising that supporters should have more of a say in how the club is run (as we are fan owned) and you jumped straight to the conclusion that I want an Ebbsfleet model. Educate yourself on what the middle ground is, please.
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 8, 2019 13:35:59 GMT
Dixie tbf has been a regular in the directors box for years. He was involved in the latest manager talks. He was invited to join the board a few months back. After FA due diligence was carried out, which drags on by the looks of it he accepted a place on the board. An extra voice, an extra pair of ears in the boardroom, that’s what we wanted that’s what we’ve got. Still room for one or two others imo. As for the current board can’t accept criticism, managers have come and gone, surely that’s holding their hands up to say they got it wrong. Maybe we should put them in the stocks on High st. At Bryan Hughes's meet the manager, the board didn't accept any wrongdoing in hiring Barrow, they only defended their actions. What is it with you lot in going from one extreme to the other? You'll recall that I emailed you, advising that supporters should have more of a say in how the club is run (as we are fan owned) and you jumped straight to the conclusion that I want an Ebbsfleet model. Educate yourself on what the middle ground is, please. Get your resolutions in Sir. #AGM
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 8, 2019 13:56:53 GMT
Keates - received compensation. Ricketts - received compensation. Barrow - left of his own accord. Hughes - sacked. By my reckoning we should be quids in regards the managerial revolving door. Far from ideal of course but a fallacy to think out of pocket based on them alone. The DSA is still run by the same set of volunteers as before, certainly no paid agency staff been brought in. Nothings changed there at all apart from a couple of bruised egos. The shirt printing issue on a match day I’m surprised at tbh. The people in the club shop are more than accommodating and usually go out of their way to help. As for results to date, not good enough but an indicator to the second half of the season? Who knows. That’s what makes the game so unpredictable. After all we’ve only lost two games to teams in the top seven so far, but have beaten 3 of them. Spencer - you have forgotten the following Morrell sacked Wilkin sacked mills sacked it is typical of you to distort facts to suit your argument just as you tried to do on Radio Wakes today before Phillios and Blake took you to pieces. Which of the three sackings above didn’t you agree with?
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 8, 2019 17:50:32 GMT
At Bryan Hughes's meet the manager, the board didn't accept any wrongdoing in hiring Barrow, they only defended their actions. What is it with you lot in going from one extreme to the other? You'll recall that I emailed you, advising that supporters should have more of a say in how the club is run (as we are fan owned) and you jumped straight to the conclusion that I want an Ebbsfleet model. Educate yourself on what the middle ground is, please. Get your resolutions in Sir. #AGM I for one, cannot wait for the AGM. Spencer, if you are reading, please this if you'd like a refresher on how unwanted you are: www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/wrexham/115073-spencer-harris-bbc-radio-wales-interview.htmlJust do the honourable thing and resign.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 8, 2019 17:52:27 GMT
Spencer - you have forgotten the following Morrell sacked Wilkin sacked mills sacked it is typical of you to distort facts to suit your argument just as you tried to do on Radio Wakes today before Phillios and Blake took you to pieces. Which of the three sackings above didn’t you agree with? Wilkin was sacked too early, for one. Mills should never have been hired, Barry Horne had done the legwork on that one and the board chose to ignore his findings and hire him anyway. We've been an absolute joke off the pitch since Bircham and Horne left.
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Post by haruki on Dec 8, 2019 20:13:36 GMT
Spencer - you have forgotten the following Morrell sacked Wilkin sacked mills sacked it is typical of you to distort facts to suit your argument just as you tried to do on Radio Wakes today before Phillios and Blake took you to pieces. Which of the three sackings above didn’t you agree with? Another case of you answering questions with more questions when the going gets tough, like in most WST meetings. i was highlighting that you used an incomplete list of managers to try to show more have moved to other clubs than been sacked where as this is clearly not true given the other three I have "reminded" you of. oh and for the record I am not getting into debating whether your sackings are right or not due to the high proportion of terrible appointments you make that lead to those sackings
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Post by haruki on Dec 8, 2019 20:16:28 GMT
It is embarrassing that non Wrexham fans will be reading this from Spencer and will have heard him on Radio Wales yesterday. Such a poor reflection on our great club.
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Wrexham
Dec 8, 2019 20:53:25 GMT
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Post by rob on Dec 8, 2019 20:53:25 GMT
It is embarrassing that non Wrexham fans will be reading this from Spencer and will have heard him on Radio Wales yesterday. Such a poor reflection on our great club. At the moment seems only option fans have is to get as many of the concerned fanbase to join the Trust so Spencer can be voted off the Club board at the AGM.A call to seek outside investment can also be raised at the AGM.
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Wrexham
Dec 9, 2019 22:16:32 GMT
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Dec 9, 2019 22:16:32 GMT
This Spencer guy is deluded.
You are a legend in your own mind.
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Wrexham
Dec 10, 2019 8:06:33 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Dec 10, 2019 8:06:33 GMT
Just heard the radio interview, for anyone not closely following the club and wants an insight that is it in a nutshell.
Things are going bad... immediately defensive instead of accepting those. Highlighting where there was mistakes... sensationalism. We’re disadvantaged because of the transfer window.
I don’t have anything against Spencer Harris, seems to have a good skill set that is vital to the club, but I believe he isn’t fit to lead the board, need someone above him to make decisions. He just doesn’t seem to be able to diagnose problems and admit he’s wrong, looks like he can’t take any criticism of any kind, not good. Comes across that his ego is bigger than the clubs success.
Potential way he could have handled the interview in a respectful, humble way that’d show he’s in tune with the fans.. “Yeah bottom of the league isn’t good enough, we increased the budget but despite that the team isn’t right and we’ll have to address the situation when we can.
The loss of managers hasn’t helped you’re quite right. We couldn’t find the right character for the club, Keates came in and was a success and naturally other clubs came in for him, we didn’t want to upset the rhythm we were in so late in the season so decided to keep Davies on as manager to stay in the same path but it didn’t work out, wrong decision on our part. Ricketts came in and was a success, same story. Barrow was pushed into it when we were struggling to recruit, we bought in an assistant he wanted so overlooked the issues, we were dropped in it a bit when he left.
We bought Hughes in, we felt he was in a similar mould to the others, again no experience but we believed that wasn’t necessary as we’ve had the newer managers being successful, unfortunately it didn’t work, now we have Keates back hoping he can restore what he started.”
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 10, 2019 16:56:04 GMT
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 10, 2019 17:00:46 GMT
It is embarrassing that non Wrexham fans will be reading this from Spencer and will have heard him on Radio Wales yesterday. Such a poor reflection on our great club. At the moment seems only option fans have is to get as many of the concerned fanbase to join the Trust so Spencer can be voted off the Club board at the AGM.A call to seek outside investment can also be raised at the AGM. Correct. Put in a resolution, get it seconded and put it to the membership for AGM discussion. Just make sure it’s well worded and well thought out unlike the disastrous attempt at calling an EGM recently.. Lessons to be learnt from that for sure.
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Wrexham
Dec 10, 2019 17:28:39 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 10, 2019 17:28:39 GMT
At the moment seems only option fans have is to get as many of the concerned fanbase to join the Trust so Spencer can be voted off the Club board at the AGM.A call to seek outside investment can also be raised at the AGM. Correct. Put in a resolution, get it seconded and put it to the membership for AGM discussion. Just make sure it’s well worded and well thought out unlike the disastrous attempt at calling an EGM recently.. Lessons to be learnt from that for sure. Call it what you want, but it wasn't poorly worded.
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Wrexham
Dec 10, 2019 17:29:27 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 10, 2019 17:29:27 GMT
They'll swerve the difficult questions.
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Post by haruki on Dec 10, 2019 17:52:42 GMT
Still waiting for a proper answer to my question at the last members meeting. I believe three time i had to pull the Trust chair and yourself back onto topic instead of waffling about player mistakes on the pitch in answer to questions about the boardroom
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Post by haruki on Dec 10, 2019 17:54:06 GMT
At the moment seems only option fans have is to get as many of the concerned fanbase to join the Trust so Spencer can be voted off the Club board at the AGM.A call to seek outside investment can also be raised at the AGM. Correct. Put in a resolution, get it seconded and put it to the membership for AGM discussion. Just make sure it’s well worded and well thought out unlike the disastrous attempt at calling an EGM recently.. Lessons to be learnt from that for sure. As an ambassador for the Supporters Movement i though you might have been supportive of fans using democratic methods to make changes at THEIR football club? Isn't that the whole point of it? And could you please outline in what way it was "poorly worded"
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Wrexham
Dec 10, 2019 21:43:59 GMT
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Post by rob on Dec 10, 2019 21:43:59 GMT
Correct. Put in a resolution, get it seconded and put it to the membership for AGM discussion. Just make sure it’s well worded and well thought out unlike the disastrous attempt at calling an EGM recently.. Lessons to be learnt from that for sure. As an ambassador for the Supporters Movement i though you might have been supportive of fans using democratic methods to make changes at THEIR football club? Isn't that the whole point of it? And could you please outline in what way it was "poorly worded" How on earth Haruki after everything club has been through in last 20 years that we end up like this ? Pete Jones as WST Chairman has let fans down badly last 12 months too. Fans are quitting trust in disgust with the board but to facilitate change we need more to join or I cannot see a solution for change. Fans owned should mean fans owned Spencer-fans only want the best for Wrexham FC which you know in reality.
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Wrexham
Dec 11, 2019 7:20:22 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Dec 11, 2019 7:20:22 GMT
Going off your reaction to the fans and the radio interview, is it fair to say you can’t take constructive criticism of any kind? Do you feel having that mentality can seriously harm the clubs decision making and reputation?
Will we ever see a North Wales based player represent the club in the league again? Even Moss who planned on destroying the club had a better record of bringing through youth players, is there a reason for this?
We are very much a working class club, why was a club legend refused entry for not wearing a tie? Are we turning into a two tiered fan base with 99.99% of fans and former players on one side and the prawn sandwich board on the other?
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 11, 2019 12:39:10 GMT
Never seen a prawn sandwich at the ground. Fact.
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Wrexham
Dec 11, 2019 16:00:04 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Dec 11, 2019 16:00:04 GMT
Never seen a prawn sandwich at the ground. Fact. I’ve only ever been in the stands, so I wouldn’t know. I take it you’ve had the hospitality treatment at the ground?
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Wrexham
Dec 14, 2019 22:28:06 GMT
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Post by rob on Dec 14, 2019 22:28:06 GMT
Never seen a prawn sandwich at the ground. Fact. Think acceptable to lose 4-0 today Arfon -not like we have the distraction of FA or Welsh Cup either.High earners like Redmond & Barton (2 year deals) and 3 football league loanees but still a dismal defeat.Wrexham fans deserve better ,it's not on.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Dec 15, 2019 11:44:19 GMT
Very poor, it's going to be a long hard season.
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 15, 2019 12:03:11 GMT
Never seen a prawn sandwich at the ground. Fact. Think acceptable to lose 4-0 today Arfon -not like we have the distraction of FA or Welsh Cup either.High earners like Redmond & Barton (2 year deals) and 3 football league loanees but still a dismal defeat.Wrexham fans deserve better ,it's not on. Never nice to lose a game but a bit of perspective. Barton needed minutes after his recent surgery, JJ needed minutes full stop after his lengthy injury, Redmond just needs games. The rest of them? 5 youth team kids was it? and the likes of Jazzi, McIntosh and Tollitt, players who will never get near the first team anytime soon. No dramas and hardly an insight into how we,ll line up for the busy Christmas period. Priorities.
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 15, 2019 12:05:38 GMT
Never seen a prawn sandwich at the ground. Fact. I’ve only ever been in the stands, so I wouldn’t know. I take it you’ve had the hospitality treatment at the ground? Village bakery pies is as good as it gets for me.
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Wrexham
Dec 15, 2019 16:37:04 GMT
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Post by rob on Dec 15, 2019 16:37:04 GMT
Think acceptable to lose 4-0 today Arfon -not like we have the distraction of FA or Welsh Cup either.High earners like Redmond & Barton (2 year deals) and 3 football league loanees but still a dismal defeat.Wrexham fans deserve better ,it's not on. Never nice to lose a game but a bit of perspective. Barton needed minutes after his recent surgery, JJ needed minutes full stop after his lengthy injury, Redmond just needs games. The rest of them? 5 youth team kids was it? and the likes of Jazzi, McIntosh and Tollitt, players who will never get near the first team anytime soon. No dramas and hardly an insight into how we,ll line up for the busy Christmas period. Priorities. To clarify only 2 youth team players in starting line-up-Beaumont & Cleworth. 7 were signings this summer by Bryan Hughes-the man given a 3 year deal in the board's wisdom. Also Reid the unfit loanee signed byKestes a few week back. Tollitt has started a few times recently for Keates too,and a good player under the right manager. More spin which the Board has specialised in since last January-sadly for you majority of fans not falling for it anymore.
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Post by arfonprinceofwales on Dec 15, 2019 17:29:52 GMT
Never nice to lose a game but a bit of perspective. Barton needed minutes after his recent surgery, JJ needed minutes full stop after his lengthy injury, Redmond just needs games. The rest of them? 5 youth team kids was it? and the likes of Jazzi, McIntosh and Tollitt, players who will never get near the first team anytime soon. No dramas and hardly an insight into how we,ll line up for the busy Christmas period. Priorities. To clarify only 2 youth team players in starting line-up-Beaumont & Cleworth. 7 were signings this summer by Bryan Hughes-the man given a 3 year deal in the board's wisdom. Also Reid the unfit loanee signed byKestes a few week back. Tollitt has started a few times recently for Keates too,and a good player under the right manager. More spin which the Board has specialised in since last January-sadly for you majority of fans not falling for it anymore. You imply Reid was signed as unfit. Not true, He limped off injured on his debut. Tollitt really isn’t a good enough player, Blackpool could t offload him quick enough. Watch how quickly he’s shifted when he returns there in Jan. As for some of Hughes signings, yes some of them clearly not good enough. As for his 3 year deal, good economics given we got stung with both Keates and Ricketts. If he’d of been a success clubs would of been sniffing around no doubt about that, if and as it turned out he failed he was shown the door for a fraction of his 3 yr deal. The appointment was loaded in the clubs favour. Expect eleven changes next league game.
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