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Post by iot on Mar 26, 2024 12:44:25 GMT
I'm completely confused by the whole u21 format. When we qualified last year, I think we had to go through a preliminary round before the qualifiers proper, and only after progressing through those two rounds did we qualify for the finals. I assumed this set of fixtures was the fir round this year, but have we qualified for the actual finals - and is that on par with the tournament in Hungary last year? So have we just qualified for our third ever youth tournament? Edit - this confirms that we've qualified for the u17 Euro Champs. Are they held every year? Am I missing something? Won our qualifying group last Autumn by beating Belgium & Gibraltar, finished 2nd in the Elite Round Yeah they're annual Ah - so this was the elite round, which we qualified for due to our results against Belgium & Gibraltar last year? That makes a lot more sense. Otherwise, all it would take to reach the finals would be to finish 2nd in a 4-team group, so I just felt we surely would have achieved that several times in the past. But the fact we had to qualify ahead of Belgium, Romania and Bulgaria through the two rounds makes it a much more impressive achievement.
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Post by hooky on Mar 26, 2024 13:11:03 GMT
That's a fantastic achievement. Brings them through as a group and hopefully cements their commitment. Annual event. Notice that Ireland and Scotland (or NI) didn't qualify and I've thought in recent years that the first 2 in particular were developing a bit of a production line in youth prospects so underlines how well the Welsh lads have done. I think our group seems one of the weaker ones. Nevertheless - this just did not happen for decades (only one before last year!). This is the legacy of Osian Roberts / the FAW and starman Bale. Without that superstar who dragged us towards qualification and helped raised our name in lights in France, would we have so many young kids happy to go down our pathway? Prior to that a talented kid may have thought how can this be useful to my development or career but with Bale they and their parents see us qualifying for things, the vibe around it, the atmosphere (winning teams get better crowds and more love!) and a platform to help their careers further. They also see those dual qualified players, happy, driven and giving everything to the cause as much as anyone. Lets just make sure we are never complacent as given our tiny population we always need a good share of dual qualified England born players to represent us. Right now we are an attractive option. Please let the happiness continue tonight! To see someone like Ampadu poised to take the torch forward just emphasises the point! To think England looked past him at U15 level as he took too few touches! He could have played for Ireland too! So so lucky to have him and the likes of Dan, Brennan, Brooks, JJ, Mepham and many others but Wales has certainly helped to make this luck possible too!
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Post by manulike on Mar 26, 2024 13:14:35 GMT
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Post by surge on Mar 26, 2024 13:22:10 GMT
Wikipedia tends to have really good long articles on the qualifications process.
Developing into a side that qualifies, sometimes by hook or crook, is a good place to be.
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Post by manulike on Mar 26, 2024 13:24:04 GMT
CONGRATULATIONS, BOYS! I feel another info sheet about Cyprus coming up ;-)
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Post by quetzal on Mar 26, 2024 13:50:25 GMT
This observation might seem harsh but underage level seems to have been on the up as soon as Paul Bodin was given the boot from the U21’s. Hopefully just a coincidence.
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Post by welshrover on Mar 26, 2024 15:23:13 GMT
CONGRATULATIONS, BOYS! I feel another info sheet about Cyprus coming up ;-)
Even if they are holding the flag the wrong way round!!
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Post by manulike on Mar 26, 2024 16:06:30 GMT
CONGRATULATIONS, BOYS! I feel another info sheet about Cyprus coming up ;-)
Even if they are holding the flag the wrong way round!! Someone must av mentioned it to them ;-))
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 26, 2024 17:04:04 GMT
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Post by welshrover on Mar 26, 2024 17:41:42 GMT
Just out of interest how does the chap Pablo Lopes Vangeli qualify for us, is it a Welsh / Spanish marriage or something like that?
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Post by quetzal on Mar 26, 2024 17:46:16 GMT
Just out of interest how does the chap Pablo Lopes Vangeli qualify for us, is it a Welsh / Spanish marriage or something like that? Two non Welsh surnames there. Looks like maternal line. My kids are Griffiths Mijangos. Mijangos from Grandad. Sanchez grandmother disappears.
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 26, 2024 17:56:34 GMT
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Post by Belle Vue on Mar 26, 2024 18:31:41 GMT
The same Paul Bodin that discovered Brennan Johnson Chris Mepham
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Post by morg on Mar 26, 2024 18:32:36 GMT
Aidan Stokes is a good 'steal' as well. NY based and has been at US u15 camps previously.
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Post by Belle Vue on Mar 26, 2024 19:16:23 GMT
Does Noel realise that he ain’t Welsh ?? Fool
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Post by wirralwelsh on Mar 27, 2024 0:48:22 GMT
That's an odd one. I don't think grandparentage entitles you to U.K citizenship alone so I don't think he'd qualify for U.K passport on that basis unless mother was born somewhere in Britain too? Doesn't matter in rugby of course as you don't even need actual nationality of country you play for! Feeney is an odd one as has played competitively for NI youth team. Presumably born whilst his Dad was playing for Cardiff
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Post by manulike on Mar 27, 2024 9:07:21 GMT
Just to highlight how good the U17 achievement is, some of the teams that DIDN'T qualify are: Germany (the winners last year) Netherlands (winner 4 times) Switzerland (winner once) Belgium Norway
Qualified for finals
Austria, Croatia, Cyprus (hosts), Czechia, Denmark, England. France, Italy, Poland, Portugal, Serbia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine, Wales
#YesWeCan
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 27, 2024 11:09:09 GMT
That's an odd one. I don't think grandparentage entitles you to U.K citizenship alone so I don't think he'd qualify for U.K passport on that basis unless mother was born somewhere in Britain too? Doesn't matter in rugby of course as you don't even need actual nationality of country you play for! Feeney is an odd one as has played competitively for NI youth team. Presumably born whilst his Dad was playing for Cardiff Nothing odd about it, Been told he qualfies for Wales thru heritage (grandmother born near Wrexham) Feeney to be confirmed, yes I would say he was born in 2008
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Post by wirralwelsh on Mar 27, 2024 13:45:55 GMT
That's an odd one. I don't think grandparentage entitles you to U.K citizenship alone so I don't think he'd qualify for U.K passport on that basis unless mother was born somewhere in Britain too? Doesn't matter in rugby of course as you don't even need actual nationality of country you play for! Feeney is an odd one as has played competitively for NI youth team. Presumably born whilst his Dad was playing for Cardiff Nothing odd about it, Been told he qualfies for Wales thru heritage (grandmother born near Wrexham) Feeney to be confirmed, yes I would say he was born in 2008 Yep point I'm making though is that grandparentage alone wouldn't qualify you to play for Wales if you didn't also have UK passport. Having a British grandparent doesn't qualify a person for British nationality and passport in itself (with certain exceptions) but having a British born parent automatically would so perhaps his mother was also born in UK but not necessarily in Wales?
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 27, 2024 13:58:44 GMT
Nothing odd about it, Been told he qualfies for Wales thru heritage (grandmother born near Wrexham) Feeney to be confirmed, yes I would say he was born in 2008 Yep point I'm making though is that grandparentage alone wouldn't qualify you to play for Wales if you didn't also have UK passport. Having a British grandparent doesn't qualify a person for British nationality and passport in itself (with certain exceptions) but having a British born parent automatically would so perhaps his mother was also born in UK but not necessarily in Wales? It's a FIFA rule though isn't it? Qualifying for a UK passport doesn't necessarily matter from their point of the view if he qualifies through a grandparent
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Post by wirralwelsh on Mar 27, 2024 14:20:16 GMT
Yes you have to have a UK passport to be able to play for Wales under all circumstances according to FIFA rules now. As far as I know nobody has qualified to play for us under the granny rule except for other Brits for this reason. You get the odd continental like De Cae who had welsh parentage but not qualified through grandparents alone.
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 27, 2024 14:36:29 GMT
With regards to PLV
if he was born in Spain Spanish parents 3 Spanish grandparents and 1 Welsh grandparent
he would be only be eligible for Spain and Wales and UK citizenship / passport is not applicable
that's my reading of it, will get it confirmed from the powers that be asap
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 27, 2024 14:41:48 GMT
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Post by wirralwelsh on Mar 27, 2024 14:55:11 GMT
Thanks DS. This is from article 5 FIFA statute definitions of holding a nationality, in this case the relevant passport would be UK as there isn't a Welsh one:- 7. In this respect, FIFA competition regulations consistently state that proof of “nationality” is only provided through the holding of a “permanent international passport”. By way of example, article 19 paragraph 3 of the Regulations for the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 Preliminary Competition provides: “The only document considered to be valid proof of a player’s identity and nationality shall be a permanent international passport that explicitly, and in Latin characters, states the player’s first name(s) and surname(s), as well as his day, month and year of birth. Identity cards or other local supporting official documents shall not be accepted as a valid means of identification…” digitalhub.fifa.com/m/ccab990abf45fcf6/original/ro8mje8vw98yp3rvfbmi-pdf.pdf
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 27, 2024 15:04:14 GMT
will get it confirmed regarding the passort etc Article 6 A player, who, under the terms of art. 5, is eligible to represent more than one association on account of his nationality, may play in an international match for one of these associations only if, in addition to holding the relevant nationality, he fulfils at least one of the following conditions etc etc so PLV under article 5 (Principles) he must be eligible to represent more than 1 association to reach Article 6 need someone to do a flowchart on it
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Post by welshrover on Mar 27, 2024 16:50:07 GMT
I see the Under 21's lost 2-0 to Morocco Under 23's
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Post by iot on Mar 27, 2024 16:59:18 GMT
I see the Under 21's lost 2-0 to Morocco Under 23's Not a bad result all things considered. Basically our u21 B side against a very good u23 side heading to the Olympics.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 27, 2024 17:07:37 GMT
This observation might seem harsh but underage level seems to have been on the up as soon as Paul Bodin was given the boot from the U21’s. Hopefully just a coincidence. I was thinking this the other day, we seem to be fast tracking more players now, Koumas etc..
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 27, 2024 18:33:32 GMT
With regards to PLV if he was born in Spain Spanish parents 3 Spanish grandparents and 1 Welsh grandparent he would be only be eligible for Spain and Wales and UK citizenship / passport is not applicable that's my reading of it, will get it confirmed from the powers that be asap Been told "UK citizenship/passport passport is not applicable" is correct
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 27, 2024 18:34:51 GMT
Thanks DS. This is from article 5 FIFA statute definitions of holding a nationality, in this case the relevant passport would be UK as there isn't a Welsh one:- 7. In this respect, FIFA competition regulations consistently state that proof of “nationality” is only provided through the holding of a “permanent international passport”. By way of example, article 19 paragraph 3 of the Regulations for the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 Preliminary Competition provides: “The only document considered to be valid proof of a player’s identity and nationality shall be a permanent international passport that explicitly, and in Latin characters, states the player’s first name(s) and surname(s), as well as his day, month and year of birth. Identity cards or other local supporting official documents shall not be accepted as a valid means of identification…” digitalhub.fifa.com/m/ccab990abf45fcf6/original/ro8mje8vw98yp3rvfbmi-pdf.pdfArticle 5 is a bit complicated with regards to Article 6 anyway PLV is eligible by heritage
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