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Post by jono on Oct 17, 2017 12:31:25 GMT
What odds christian eriksen taken out within the first 20 minutes! I'd look to take him out too. Allen was running the show, therefore they targetted him and took him out. Very clever play from Ireland. I'll laugh my bollocks off when Denmark beat them.
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Post by quetzal on Oct 17, 2017 12:39:14 GMT
What odds christian eriksen taken out within the first 20 minutes! On ybig: 'Give it everything out there and bully them' Judging by the comments on Ybig, they're already there! You avoid Italy and it's a result. Sweden will secretly be devastated. I thought Croatia blew their group big time and are there for the taking. I think NI and ROI will be very happy they avoided Italy. Flip side is that Switzerland and Denmark will be very happy to meet the Irish sides.
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Post by pendragon on Oct 17, 2017 12:48:48 GMT
What odds christian eriksen taken out within the first 20 minutes! I'd look to take him out too. Allen was running the show, therefore they targetted him and took him out. Very clever play from Ireland. I'll laugh my bollocks off when Denmark beat them. There is nothing clever about thuggish tactics - whichever side is perpetrating them. It just shows the class of person who is willing to resort to them to gain the upper hand due to a discrepancy in tactical abilities. That said, I think they will really struggle over these two legs.
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Post by dai on Oct 17, 2017 12:53:10 GMT
They'll go through. I'd put money down on it.
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Post by cymro on Oct 17, 2017 12:53:40 GMT
Denmark are a bit of an unknown entity these days so they'll have to be careful not to underestimate them. Ireland seem to thrive from being the underdogs and I don't think they'll be underdogs going into this draw. They just played their cup final in Cardiff and it will be difficult to pick themselves up to go again, plus they must have a lot of suspension worries? (I don't know, I haven't checked). I'm sure they'd have bitten your hand off for Denmark at the start of the draw though. I fancy them to go through.
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Post by pendragon on Oct 17, 2017 12:55:32 GMT
On ybig: 'Give it everything out there and bully them' Judging by the comments on Ybig, they're already there! You avoid Italy and it's a result. Sweden will secretly be devastated. I thought Croatia blew their group big time and are there for the taking. I think NI and ROI will be very happy they avoided Italy. Flip side is that Switzerland and Denmark will be very happy to meet the Irish sides. "Bullying" can work in a one-off or winner takes all game. Not so much over two legs. Several are already on yellows and could miss the home game if they commit any reckless challenges. If they limit themselves, they will leave themselves open. I don't think it'll be an easy game for either side.
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Post by dai on Oct 17, 2017 12:55:58 GMT
Another ybig comment:
'I think the tactic should be simple. We used it v Wales. Target Eriksen, send Harry Arter after him. Break him off the park, McClean with an early challenge to set the tone as we done v Wales. Arter done a splendid job of putting Ramsey inside an imaginary box. '
Can't decide if he's taking piss.........
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Post by joio on Oct 17, 2017 13:05:26 GMT
They'll go through. I'd put money down on it. They'll find a way to go through. They've avoided Croatia, Switzerland and Italy - they'll be over the moon. They have the second leg at home as well. Northern Ireland have also had the second-best outcome. There is some truth in this luck of the Irish thing.
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Post by joio on Oct 17, 2017 13:10:54 GMT
You avoid Italy and it's a result. Sweden will secretly be devastated. I thought Croatia blew their group big time and are there for the taking. I think NI and ROI will be very happy they avoided Italy. Flip side is that Switzerland and Denmark will be very happy to meet the Irish sides. "Bullying" can work in a one-off or winner takes all game. Not so much over two legs. Several are already on yellows and could miss the home game if they commit any reckless challenges. If they limit themselves, they will leave themselves open. I don't think it'll be an easy game for either side. I agree. If they get a decent ref there's no way they'll get away with it again especially to the extent they did against us.
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Post by pendragon on Oct 17, 2017 13:18:17 GMT
"Bullying" can work in a one-off or winner takes all game. Not so much over two legs. Several are already on yellows and could miss the home game if they commit any reckless challenges. If they limit themselves, they will leave themselves open. I don't think it'll be an easy game for either side. I agree. If they get a decent ref there's no way they'll get away with it again especially to the extent they did against us. I bet they will try to draw the first game out in Copenhagen (without risking too many potential suspensions) and go for a win in Dublin. That first game could leave them wide open. Hopefully, a decent referee will preside over it. Just hope it doesn't turn into an ugly couple of games mired in injuries on either side that ends in penalties. Could you imagine?! 😮
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 17, 2017 14:23:42 GMT
Don't think the Irish can vary their tactics(they haven't got the players). Roughhouse games again against Denmark but this time the second leg will see them depleted of a number players due to second yellows, possibly reds I'm sure. They won't get such a lenient ref everytime. COME ON DENMARK!!
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Post by pendragon on Oct 17, 2017 14:52:09 GMT
Don't think the Irish can vary their tactics(they haven't got the players). Roughhouse games again against Denmark but this time the second leg will see them depleted of a number players due to second yellows, possibly reds I'm sure. They won't get such a lenient ref everytime. COME ON DENMARK!! I think you may be right. I wonder what the FIFA match report for the Wales v ROI game says.. I hope they'll send a no-nonsense ref (even the one we had was beginning to lose patience in the last twenty minutes and started handing out cards like confetti - shame he didn't instill discipline sooner). They may fancy their chances after the Wales game but will certainly struggle over two legs if they deploy roughhouse tactics.
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Post by hughjarse1 on Oct 17, 2017 18:20:43 GMT
Another ybig comment: 'I think the tactic should be simple. We used it v Wales. Target Eriksen, send Harry Arter after him. Break him off the park, McClean with an early challenge to set the tone as we done v Wales. Arter done a splendid job of putting Ramsey inside an imaginary box. ' Can't decide if he's taking piss......... Ahh come on dai, just yesterday on this very thread you were giving out about Irish posters coming on the Apostle. Now today you are actually quoting posts from the YBIG forum on here, make your mind up.
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Post by oscardelta on Oct 17, 2017 18:35:18 GMT
Denmark are a bit of an unknown entity these days so they'll have to be careful not to underestimate them. Ireland seem to thrive from being the underdogs and I don't think they'll be underdogs going into this draw. They just played their cup final in Cardiff and it will be difficult to pick themselves up to go again, plus they must have a lot of suspension worries? (I don't know, I haven't checked). I'm sure they'd have bitten your hand off for Denmark at the start of the draw though. I fancy them to go through. Personal preference was Italy as they are misfiring and have been for a while. I saw Denmark play Poland on teh day before our Tblisi game, they won 4-0 and were good value for that win. They have had a decent performance spurt this year after a pretty average start to the group. I see nothing easy about playing them and while they do have players on yellows as well.
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Post by irish on Oct 17, 2017 18:57:35 GMT
What? An opposing viewpoint that may add a bit of perspective? Telling us that we are 'British' and must class ourselves as such is a joke and adds nothing. Mocking 'our' queen when a lot of us have strong views that distance ourselves from the English crown is also nothing short of pathetic. I'm sorry what are these clowns adding apart from bullshit. Don't tell us how our forum should operate you have YBIG, do what you like over there. 'Typical British' what? What on earth are you talking about?! I was responding to post which was more or less questioning why Irish people were posting on it as it's a Welsh forum. It reminded me of that zenophobic 'Britain for the British' type of attitude, that other posters weren't welcome unless they were Welsh. I wasn't implying anything about the Monarchy/Royals or trying to throw a barb in any way so you've completely taken that the wrong way. By the way I consider Welsh people Welsh and a distinct nation within Britain, just as I do England and Scotland.
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Post by pendragon on Oct 17, 2017 19:08:18 GMT
Denmark are a bit of an unknown entity these days so they'll have to be careful not to underestimate them. Ireland seem to thrive from being the underdogs and I don't think they'll be underdogs going into this draw. They just played their cup final in Cardiff and it will be difficult to pick themselves up to go again, plus they must have a lot of suspension worries? (I don't know, I haven't checked). I'm sure they'd have bitten your hand off for Denmark at the start of the draw though. I fancy them to go through. Personal preference was Italy as they are misfiring and have been for a while. I saw Denmark play Poland on teh day before our Tblisi game, they won 4-0 and were good value for that win. They have had a decent performance spurt this year after a pretty average start to the group. I see nothing easy about playing them and while they do have players on yellows as well. To be perfectly honest, when I was mulling over our potential opposition in the play-offs, the thought of crossing sides with either Sweden or Denmark did worry me - even though we would have been one of the seeded teams in the draw. They are no pushovers and can be very clinical, that's for sure.
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Post by alarch on Oct 17, 2017 19:10:16 GMT
There are a lot of sensitivities here about being described as British or having British attitudes. Haven't you picked up on that yet? It reminds me of our Dutch friends who we had to continually chastise for using the word "shit" around our kids. To the Dutch it means nothing. Context is everything. If you're not careful I might start on about the "luck of the Oirish". At least that would have some justification...
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Post by irish on Oct 17, 2017 19:11:15 GMT
Take it easy ffs. I'm not going to excuse any of my compatriots deliberately coming to rub it in/wum but it is an open forum irrespective of what team's supporters it is set up for. Your post stinks of 'Britain love it or leave it' type of sentiment. It's some Irish posters coming on here and disagreeing with some your Welsh poster's individual posts, not 'they're telling us we're wrong on our opinions collectively. We have Northern Ireland supporters on our forum who we generally have antipathy for (their team), but a forum is better off with rival supporters in general as long as they're not giving it billy big bollocks/wumming etc etc It always adds to a forum. Ok fair enough. What sort of reaction would I have generated if I went on the ybig forum after the Dublin match, and suggested that Taylor's tackle was pretty innocent and that Coleman just mistimed his interception? I guarantee you I wouldn't have been a popular chap. So when you guys come on here denying any dirty play after the cardiff match, when the rest of world could see that Allen was purposely nailed along with many other challenges, of course we're going to react badly and get annoyed. Anyway, I'm bored of all of this now. Of course you'd get a hostile reception just as an Irish poster would on a Welsh forum if the same thing happened to Bale. I'm only going to speak for myself and I'm not denying that we had to use strongarm tactics (which we actually normally don't btw) given the derby nature of these two games. I knew they'd be two scraps. Logic would tell you that sandwich tackle on Allen was hardly premeditated. It's not rugby. Why would two Irish players risk injuring themselves in trying to attempt a ridiculous challenge like that on one player when there's far easier ways of doing it and by the way it's actually poor defensive play when two Irish players are going for the same challenge as it risks leaving us open if the ball broke for Wales and Allen got it forward, with two Irish players exposed.It doesn't make sense. Anyway we'll agree to disagree.
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Post by irish on Oct 17, 2017 19:14:27 GMT
What? An opposing viewpoint that may add a bit of perspective? You have already given your perspective and people have already given you a fair explanation as to why they might or might not agree with you. What is the point in reiterating the same thing over and over? What would be so wrong with agreeing to disagree? Perspective on what exactly? I was speaking in general that forums are far better with some rival viewpoints. It adds perspective not to mention tips on accommodation/things to do when your travelling to the away games.
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Post by irish on Oct 17, 2017 19:20:16 GMT
Take it easy ffs. I'm not going to excuse any of my compatriots deliberately coming to rub it in/wum but it is an open forum irrespective of what team's supporters it is set up for. Your post stinks of 'Britain love it or leave it' type of sentiment. It's some Irish posters coming on here and disagreeing with some your Welsh poster's individual posts, not 'they're telling us we're wrong on our opinions collectively. We have Northern Ireland supporters on our forum who we generally have antipathy for (their team), but a forum is better off with rival supporters in general as long as they're not giving it billy big bollocks/wumming etc etc It always adds to a forum. I agree with this pretty much completely, although your use of the word "Britain" has a whiff of wummery about it. I welcome alternative perspectives, even when things are, how shall I put it "a bit tense". Ah I know. I genuinely wasn't trying to wum there. Should have probably worded it as 'Wales for the Welsh' maybe instead. We're not immune from that zenophobic attitude at times ourselves I must say
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Post by quetzal on Oct 17, 2017 19:25:58 GMT
Denmark are a bit of an unknown entity these days so they'll have to be careful not to underestimate them. Ireland seem to thrive from being the underdogs and I don't think they'll be underdogs going into this draw. They just played their cup final in Cardiff and it will be difficult to pick themselves up to go again, plus they must have a lot of suspension worries? (I don't know, I haven't checked). I'm sure they'd have bitten your hand off for Denmark at the start of the draw though. I fancy them to go through. Personal preference was Italy as they are misfiring and have been for a while. I saw Denmark play Poland on teh day before our Tblisi game, they won 4-0 and were good value for that win. They have had a decent performance spurt this year after a pretty average start to the group. I see nothing easy about playing them and while they do have players on yellows as well. Italy over Denmark, Swiss or the Croats? I actually think the Croats will struggle with Greece. They really blew their group
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Post by pendragon on Oct 17, 2017 19:29:03 GMT
You have already given your perspective and people have already given you a fair explanation as to why they might or might not agree with you. What is the point in reiterating the same thing over and over? What would be so wrong with agreeing to disagree? Perspective on what exactly? I was speaking in general that forums are far better with some rival viewpoints. It adds perspective not to mention tips on accommodation/things to do when your travelling to the away games. Fair enough. I take your point and I respect your opinion. I didn't mean to have a go. In hindsight, maybe there might just be some crossed wires on here - inevitably happens when you're debating online about something people feel passionate about I suppose! But all's fair in love (and football!) ☺
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 17, 2017 19:30:28 GMT
You have already given your perspective and people have already given you a fair explanation as to why they might or might not agree with you. What is the point in reiterating the same thing over and over? What would be so wrong with agreeing to disagree? Perspective on what exactly? I was speaking in general that forums are far better with some rival viewpoints. It adds perspective not to mention tips on accommodation/things to do when your travelling to the away games. True, but the Irish posters on here for the most part have been harping on how Neil Taylor tried to murder Seamus Coleman and how all the Boys in green are little angels, that's why we are all so annoyed! And with that I wish you all the personal best but I hope Denmark win the two legged tie next month more than we get a respectable result in Paris!
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Post by irish on Oct 17, 2017 19:31:06 GMT
Apologies for the so called Irish fans coming on this site with EPL user names and wumming. It's actually embarrassing. I wasn't wumming in any shape or form so you might want to direct your apology towards me. I've been posting on here the last two years with no issues at all with the mods or other Welsh posters on here and I think most of my posts are fair minded and reasonable enough. One Welsh poster was giving off about Irish posters coming onto 'their' forum which stank of a 'Britain for the British' type of sentiment that noone but the Welsh were welcome. I pulled him up on it. I also acknowledged that it may have been a bad choice of words and I haven't once posted about the Welsh being little Englanders/Britain or whatever other jibe. So what if I have an EPL username?! Are you another of these chip on the shoulder LOI brigade crowd? Get over it mo chara
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Post by irish on Oct 17, 2017 19:36:58 GMT
Perspective on what exactly? I was speaking in general that forums are far better with some rival viewpoints. It adds perspective not to mention tips on accommodation/things to do when your travelling to the away games. True, but the Irish posters on here for the most part have been harping on how Neil Taylor tried to murder Seamus Coleman and how all the Boys in green are little angels, that's why we are all so annoyed! And with that I wish you all the personal best but I hope Denmark win the two legged tie next month more than we get a respectable result in Paris! Ah cheers. Nice to hear . What Taylor did was reckless and dangerous and I know he obviously wasn't trying to do that. I think though Irish supporters feel whether it's deliberate or not, it's scant consolation. Tbh it would be no different on here if one of our players broke Bale's leg. It's the nature of the beast. If any team loses their best player in those circumstances, any supporters forum/posters will be up in arms over it. I actually stayed off this site the few weeks after as I knew it would be mud slinging from both Irish and Welsh posters.
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 17, 2017 19:40:16 GMT
True, but the Irish posters on here for the most part have been harping on how Neil Taylor tried to murder Seamus Coleman and how all the Boys in green are little angels, that's why we are all so annoyed! And with that I wish you all the personal best but I hope Denmark win the two legged tie next month more than we get a respectable result in Paris! Ah cheers. Nice to hear . What Taylor did was reckless and dangerous and I know he obviously wasn't trying to do that. I think though Irish supporters feel whether it's deliberate or not, it's scant consolation. Tbh it would be no different on here if one of our players broke Bale's leg. It's the nature of the beast. If any team loses their best player in those circumstances, any supporters forum/posters will be up in arms over it. I actually stayed off this site the few weeks after as I knew it would be mud slinging from both Irish and Welsh posters. This is professional sport, it can happen and very few people go out to do it on purpose... let alone Neil Taylor who suffered a double leg break 4.5 years before the night in Dublin! To say putting out us of the WC makes up for it is laughable. The Irish put it about all night in March and I actually thought Coleman having his leg broken was karma and that the same approach would not be used in Cardiff.. how wrong was I!
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Post by dai on Oct 17, 2017 19:57:19 GMT
Another ybig comment: 'I think the tactic should be simple. We used it v Wales. Target Eriksen, send Harry Arter after him. Break him off the park, McClean with an early challenge to set the tone as we done v Wales. Arter done a splendid job of putting Ramsey inside an imaginary box. ' Can't decide if he's taking piss......... Ahh come on dai, just yesterday on this very thread you were giving out about Irish posters coming on the Apostle. Now today you are actually quoting posts from the YBIG forum on here, make your mind up. Lol, I know, but......I'm not actually contributing to the forum, just having a browse.
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 17, 2017 19:58:56 GMT
Hopefully UEFA/FIFA get them a decent ref for these two games, not like the ones against us!
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Post by irish on Oct 17, 2017 19:59:09 GMT
Ah cheers. Nice to hear . What Taylor did was reckless and dangerous and I know he obviously wasn't trying to do that. I think though Irish supporters feel whether it's deliberate or not, it's scant consolation. Tbh it would be no different on here if one of our players broke Bale's leg. It's the nature of the beast. If any team loses their best player in those circumstances, any supporters forum/posters will be up in arms over it. I actually stayed off this site the few weeks after as I knew it would be mud slinging from both Irish and Welsh posters. This is professional sport, it can happen and very few people go out to do it on purpose... let alone Neil Taylor who suffered a double leg break 4.5 years before the night in Dublin! To say putting out us of the WC makes up for it is laughable. The Irish put it about all night in March and I actually thought Coleman having his leg broken was karma and that the same approach would not be used in Cardiff.. how wrong was I! Are you confusing me with another poster? I never said anything about putting Wales out makes up for Coleman's injury. The idea that it's simply karma what happened to Coleman because we were a bit physical (like you see every week in EPL) is poor stuff on your part. I don't excuse our conduct and you shouldn't excuse a career threatening and altering challenge.
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 17, 2017 20:35:17 GMT
This is professional sport, it can happen and very few people go out to do it on purpose... let alone Neil Taylor who suffered a double leg break 4.5 years before the night in Dublin! To say putting out us of the WC makes up for it is laughable. The Irish put it about all night in March and I actually thought Coleman having his leg broken was karma and that the same approach would not be used in Cardiff.. how wrong was I! Are you confusing me with another poster? I never said anything about putting Wales out makes up for Coleman's injury. The idea that it's simply karma what happened to Coleman because we were a bit physical (like you see every week in EPL) is poor stuff on your part. I don't excuse our conduct and you shouldn't excuse a career threatening and altering challenge. I just mean the Irish fans in general, not everybody. yes it's poor on my behalf, but I do think that challenge was brought on by behaviour earlier in the game.
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