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Post by marsvolta on Oct 21, 2021 16:18:24 GMT
This story doesn't make any sense. He seems to be a defensive/deep midfielder, and as said above he surely won't be picked above the ones we already have. And he'll be 29 by the end of the season. If we really did want to introduce fresh blood to that position, surely we'd call up MJ Williams, who's playing at the same level but is 3 years younger and actually Welsh, before him. To be fair, we don’t actually know if he’s being considered for a call up or not. All we know is that is eligible and the FAW are aware of it (as they are with loads of other players), that doesn’t mean that he’s better than what we already have. The article I posted is his own boss praising him so that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s in contention for a call up.
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Post by kb4b50 on Oct 21, 2021 23:04:06 GMT
He maybe a useful addition to the playing pool. I agree it's a pity he is not younger but he may have 2 or 3 years worth of playing at a reasonable level left. He is also play at higher level than joniesta
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Post by welshrover on Oct 22, 2021 9:27:36 GMT
He maybe a useful addition to the playing pool. I agree it's a pity he is not younger but he may have 2 or 3 years worth of playing at a reasonable level left. He is also play at higher level than joniesta To quote Ian Holloway the other night on TV "What on earth is Johnny Williams doing playing at this level"
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Post by insertname on Oct 22, 2021 10:22:53 GMT
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Post by insertname on Oct 22, 2021 10:28:09 GMT
This story doesn't make any sense. He seems to be a defensive/deep midfielder, and as said above he surely won't be picked above the ones we already have. And he'll be 29 by the end of the season. If we really did want to introduce fresh blood to that position, surely we'd call up MJ Williams, who's playing at the same level but is 3 years younger and actually Welsh, before him. To be fair, we don’t actually know if he’s being considered for a call up or not. All we know is that is eligible and the FAW are aware of it (as they are with loads of other players), that doesn’t mean that he’s better than what we already have. The article I posted is his own boss praising him so that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s in contention for a call up. His club will be knocking on the door begging for a call up as it inflates his transfer value and puts him in the shop window. It all just looks a bit desperate to me, calling up a league one player who plays for a below average side. Are they really going to be better than Sheehan or Morrell? I’m all for expanding the player base and we shouldn’t rule this guy out in future if he kicks on, but the chances of him kicking on have to be slim as he’s approaching his 30’s. If he was in the championship it’s a no-brainer, but he isn’t.
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Post by insertname on Oct 22, 2021 10:30:00 GMT
He maybe a useful addition to the playing pool. I agree it's a pity he is not younger but he may have 2 or 3 years worth of playing at a reasonable level left. He is also play at higher level than joniesta We know what Williams can do and he’s proved himself useful at international level. To my mind we also don’t have any games lined up where we can mess about with untried players until after the play off matches.
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 22, 2021 22:11:20 GMT
I see no reason why we should even countenance calling up a 29 year old who doesn't even sound like he's that bothered about playing for Wales. Surely someone like Josh Sheehan or MJ Williams should get called up ahead of this guy? Hell even someone like Sam Bowen should be higher inn the pecking order
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 23, 2021 6:52:08 GMT
I see no reason why we should even countenance calling up a 29 year old who doesn't even sound like he's that bothered about playing for Wales. Surely someone like Josh Sheehan or MJ Williams should get called up ahead of this guy? Hell even someone like Sam Bowen should be higher inn the pecking order Yeah I’d say he’s way down the pecking order.
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Post by bale-droed on Oct 23, 2021 21:34:53 GMT
Probably the only place to put this as you lot like me give a shit about eligibility. Home nations agreement was after 1993 we could use players born abroad with a British passport.
So did that mean Terry Butcher who was born in Singapore could’ve played for Wales?
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Post by wirralwelsh on Oct 24, 2021 2:39:56 GMT
Well it was good enough for Eric Young!
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Post by saturn9 on Oct 24, 2021 11:37:01 GMT
Ipswich CB Toto Nsiala MAY be eligible for us. Credit DS.
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Post by insertname on Oct 24, 2021 15:19:56 GMT
Ipswich CB Toto Nsiala MAY be eligible for us. Credit DS. I’m on the edge of my seat waiting to find out. This could be massive for Wales
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Post by saturn9 on Oct 24, 2021 17:47:51 GMT
Ipswich CB Toto Nsiala MAY be eligible for us. Credit DS. I’m on the edge of my seat waiting to find out. This could be massive for Wales You don't rate him then😁
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Post by dai on Oct 24, 2021 18:21:47 GMT
Ipswich CB Toto Nsiala MAY be eligible for us. Credit DS. I always get reasonably interested when we discover new players, but between that guy from Wimbledon and this guy, who's 29 years old, playing in League 1......jeez, it's pretty uninspiring. We have Rodon, Mepham, Cabango, Lockyer, Chester, Lawrence (sighs), Davies (if needed) who are all way ahead of him. And then there's the other Welsh players in League 1. It says this on wiki btw: 'Eligible to play for DR Congo, England, Scotland and Wales,[48] Nsiala was first called up by Wales to their under-19 training squad in July 2009' Why can't we discover another striker ffs!!!!!!!
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 24, 2021 19:10:23 GMT
Ipswich CB Toto Nsiala MAY be eligible for us. Credit DS. Yea, he was called up to one of the youth teams years ago when he was with Everton. His career didn’t exactly take off so it’s another that I can’t see happening.
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 24, 2021 19:12:27 GMT
Ipswich CB Toto Nsiala MAY be eligible for us. Credit DS. Yea, he was called up to one of the youth teams years ago when he was with Everton. His career didn’t exactly take off so it’s another that I can’t see happening. Ignore me. Jus noticed, that someone else has already pointed out that he was called up for the under 19s. Haha
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 24, 2021 19:16:37 GMT
Ipswich CB Toto Nsiala MAY be eligible for us. Credit DS. I always get reasonably interested when we discover new players, but between that guy from Wimbledon and this guy, who's 29 years old, playing in League 1......jeez, it's pretty uninspiring. We have Rodon, Mepham, Cabango, Lockyer, Chester, Lawrence (sighs), Davies (if needed) who are all way ahead of him. And then there's the other Welsh players in League 1. It says this on wiki btw: 'Eligible to play for DR Congo, England, Scotland and Wales,[48] Nsiala was first called up by Wales to their under-19 training squad in July 2009' Why can't we discover another striker ffs!!!!!!! Is there anything to suggest that Nsiala or Woodyard are seriously being considered for a call up by us? Or are we just going by the Dragonsoccer list of players eligible for us? Just because Dragonsoccer correctly lists a player as eligible (thanks for this by the way dragonsoccer) it doesn’t mean that they’re in line for a call up. There’s about 80 or 90 players listed there, we can’t call them all up.
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Post by bale-droed on Oct 24, 2021 20:14:35 GMT
May sound like a knob so I do apologise but I thought we all knew about Nsiala already so I’m not sure about what’s going on here? He was in training camps years ago. Switched to Congo and was competitively capped by them meaning that was that so I thought we just carried on as opposed to forgetting about him
One genuine question I’ve always had about Nsiala though is how does he qualify for us? If it’s British passport holder overseas with NO bloodline to a direct home nation then from my research doesn’t that mean we could’ve had Leroy Lita play for us? Born same place as Nsiala. Could DS clear that up for me ? Thanks
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 24, 2021 22:09:22 GMT
May sound like a knob so I do apologise but I thought we all knew about Nsiala already so I’m not sure about what’s going on here? He was in training camps years ago. Switched to Congo and was competitively capped by them meaning that was that so I thought we just carried on as opposed to forgetting about him One genuine question I’ve always had about Nsiala though is how does he qualify for us? If it’s British passport holder overseas with NO bloodline to a direct home nation then from my research doesn’t that mean we could’ve had Leroy Lita play for us? Born same place as Nsiala. Could DS clear that up for me ? Thanks New rules mean that you have to have 4 caps regardless of competition to be tied to a country, so he would have become eligible for us again when this rule passed
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 24, 2021 22:22:12 GMT
I know it's not the most exciting player, but it's good to know the full depth of our eligibility in case we have an injury crisis or something
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Post by bale-droed on Oct 25, 2021 2:19:07 GMT
May sound like a knob so I do apologise but I thought we all knew about Nsiala already so I’m not sure about what’s going on here? He was in training camps years ago. Switched to Congo and was competitively capped by them meaning that was that so I thought we just carried on as opposed to forgetting about him One genuine question I’ve always had about Nsiala though is how does he qualify for us? If it’s British passport holder overseas with NO bloodline to a direct home nation then from my research doesn’t that mean we could’ve had Leroy Lita play for us? Born same place as Nsiala. Could DS clear that up for me ? Thanks New rules mean that you have to have 4 caps regardless of competition to be tied to a country, so he would have become eligible for us again when this rule passed That’s the worst thing I’ve ever heard. We will be like rugby league soon. Is that not even age depending?
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Post by welshrover on Oct 25, 2021 7:41:30 GMT
New rules mean that you have to have 4 caps regardless of competition to be tied to a country, so he would have become eligible for us again when this rule passed That’s the worst thing I’ve ever heard. We will be like rugby league soon. Is that not even age depending? Totally agree with you. I read something recently that quite a few players who had been previously capped by England were looking to transfer allegiance to Jamaica as they didn't look like they were going to get any more England caps. I think that Hudson-Odoi chap used it as a "blackmail" to get another call up for England by saying he was going to transfer to Ghana. And Stephen Caulker who has one England cap has now started playing for Sierra Leone. Just out of interest have Wales given up on that guy at Swansea (can't recall his name) who got called up by Zimbabwe was it?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 25, 2021 9:10:55 GMT
New rules mean that you have to have 4 caps regardless of competition to be tied to a country, so he would have become eligible for us again when this rule passed That’s the worst thing I’ve ever heard. We will be like rugby league soon. Is that not even age depending? I disagree. It came about because of the Munir case. He played about 10 minutes of a qualifier for Spain and was locked to them. That seems wrong. It's nothing like rugby league really
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Post by insertname on Oct 25, 2021 14:22:26 GMT
I’m on the edge of my seat waiting to find out. This could be massive for Wales You don't rate him then😁 I’ve heard good things about him and I don’t mean any disrespect to the player personally, it’s just that to me this doesn’t really feel like news. If he is eligible the chances of him eventually winning a cap have to be as remote as the lad at Wimbledon’s.
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Post by insertname on Oct 25, 2021 14:25:29 GMT
That’s the worst thing I’ve ever heard. We will be like rugby league soon. Is that not even age depending? I disagree. It came about because of the Munir case. He played about 10 minutes of a qualifier for Spain and was locked to them. That seems wrong. It's nothing like rugby league really I don’t see nationality as being so fluid than that. It’s treating it like club football. Whatever next, badge kissing at international level? Surely you’re either mostly Spanish or you’re not? It shouldn’t be “I feel Spanish until I fail to win more than one cap because then I might just feel a bit Polish”. Totally mercenary.
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Post by welshrover on Oct 25, 2021 15:51:10 GMT
I disagree. It came about because of the Munir case. He played about 10 minutes of a qualifier for Spain and was locked to them. That seems wrong. It's nothing like rugby league really I don’t see nationality as being so fluid than that. It’s treating it like club football. Whatever next, badge kissing at international level? Surely you’re either mostly Spanish or you’re not? It shouldn’t be “I feel Spanish until I fail to win more than one cap because then I might just feel a bit Polish”. Totally mercenary. Totally agree, if I was a pro footie player my heart just wouldn't be in playing for a "badge of convenience country"
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Post by insertname on Oct 25, 2021 16:03:44 GMT
I don’t see nationality as being so fluid than that. It’s treating it like club football. Whatever next, badge kissing at international level? Surely you’re either mostly Spanish or you’re not? It shouldn’t be “I feel Spanish until I fail to win more than one cap because then I might just feel a bit Polish”. Totally mercenary. Totally agree, if I was a pro footie player my heart just wouldn't be in playing for a "badge of convenience country" Yeah exactly. If you are only good enough to play ten minutes for your country then that’s the way it goes. You should be proud you won a cap at all and consider it doing your “National service” by accepting it with good grace and moving on. By getting the hump and reaching for the passport of another country with less competition for places you are showing yourself right up.
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 25, 2021 17:07:29 GMT
I don’t see nationality as being so fluid than that. It’s treating it like club football. Whatever next, badge kissing at international level? Surely you’re either mostly Spanish or you’re not? It shouldn’t be “I feel Spanish until I fail to win more than one cap because then I might just feel a bit Polish”. Totally mercenary. Totally agree, if I was a pro footie player my heart just wouldn't be in playing for a "badge of convenience country" A lot of people do genuinely have loyalty to more than one country though, I think it’s easy for someone like myself who is only eligible for Wales to say that I can’t imagine playing for any other country. But if I was born and grew up here with, say, a Polish parent and was told about my Polish heritage growing up and had regular contact with Polish relatives, maybe it would be easier for me to have loyalty to both countries, even if Wales was my first choice.
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Post by welshrover on Oct 25, 2021 17:16:31 GMT
Totally agree, if I was a pro footie player my heart just wouldn't be in playing for a "badge of convenience country" A lot of people do genuinely have loyalty to more than one country though, I think it’s easy for someone like myself who is only eligible for Wales to say that I can’t imagine playing for any other country. But if I was born and grew up here with, say, a Polish parent and was told about my Polish heritage growing up and had regular contact with Polish relatives, maybe it would be easier for me to have loyalty to both countries, even if Wales was my first choice. To be fair though I have one English parent and trust me there is no way in the world I would even cheer them on let alone opt to play for them. I suppose Gareth Bale is the most notable example of this. He could have chosen England through his dad but felt no connection or affinity to that country, despite his agents best efforts!!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 25, 2021 19:46:43 GMT
I disagree. It came about because of the Munir case. He played about 10 minutes of a qualifier for Spain and was locked to them. That seems wrong. It's nothing like rugby league really I don’t see nationality as being so fluid than that. It’s treating it like club football. Whatever next, badge kissing at international level? Surely you’re either mostly Spanish or you’re not? It shouldn’t be “I feel Spanish until I fail to win more than one cap because then I might just feel a bit Polish”. Totally mercenary. Many people feel strong about more than one country. The lad might have felt he learnt more towards Spain when he was young, and then as he's gotten older felt more Moroccan. I personally have felt more and more Welsh the older I've got (I've always felt Welsh and never been conflicted about my English side), however some people who genuinely have a dilemma in having to choose one might have a genuine shift in later life. It can be a complex thing Equally I feel he could be doing it because he just hasn't received further caps, but I do think a 1 cap lock in is pretty harsh You've also got to consider the flip side - under the old rules someone like Declan Rice could represent Ireland 4 times in friendlies and not be locked down. Now under these current rules he would actually be locked in to play for Ireland, making it less flexible in that sense because friendlies count
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