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Post by bale-droed on Oct 25, 2021 21:20:49 GMT
That’s the worst thing I’ve ever heard. We will be like rugby league soon. Is that not even age depending? I disagree. It came about because of the Munir case. He played about 10 minutes of a qualifier for Spain and was locked to them. That seems wrong. It's nothing like rugby league really Munir said after his debut for Spain he had no intention of playing for Morocco. Then 3 years later threw a tantrum. I don’t want 3 or 4 Welsh players in the squad who played for another country a couple of times then changed what they apparently felt inside. That’s what’ll happen. Smaller nations will be full of players like that. It’s bad enough Collins, Morison and Ricketts has England c caps. I can accept it at youth level though
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 25, 2021 22:04:06 GMT
I disagree. It came about because of the Munir case. He played about 10 minutes of a qualifier for Spain and was locked to them. That seems wrong. It's nothing like rugby league really Munir said after his debut for Spain he had no intention of playing for Morocco. Then 3 years later threw a tantrum. I don’t want 3 or 4 Welsh players in the squad who played for another country a couple of times then changed what they apparently felt inside. That’s what’ll happen. Smaller nations will be full of players like that. It’s bad enough Collins, Morison and Ricketts has England c caps. I can accept it at youth level though Well in that case it's not great for Morocco to be picking him, but what I'd say is that it should also be screened by Morocco that he's said that. They should be saying we're not going to pick you because of these comments. Most players wouldn't be in that position, and I don't think we'd ever be in a position whereby several of our squad have been capped by England, and end up playing for us I can't even think of a situation where this could have happened in recent times before the rule was put in place
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Post by bale-droed on Oct 25, 2021 23:43:41 GMT
Munir said after his debut for Spain he had no intention of playing for Morocco. Then 3 years later threw a tantrum. I don’t want 3 or 4 Welsh players in the squad who played for another country a couple of times then changed what they apparently felt inside. That’s what’ll happen. Smaller nations will be full of players like that. It’s bad enough Collins, Morison and Ricketts has England c caps. I can accept it at youth level though Well in that case it's not great for Morocco to be picking him, but what I'd say is that it should also be screened by Morocco that he's said that. They should be saying we're not going to pick you because of these comments. Most players wouldn't be in that position, and I don't think we'd ever be in a position whereby several of our squad have been capped by England, and end up playing for us I can't even think of a situation where this could have happened in recent times before the rule was put in place What Brooks stuck with England played a token cap then changed his mind ? What if Hargreaves played twice then got injured then we called him up? Coleman publicly wanted Shawcross after he had an England cap as he was under 23 and it was a friendly at time of cap. Would’ve been nonsense.
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 25, 2021 23:58:31 GMT
As far as I’m aware, we don’t know any players who have played senior football for someone else, had less than 4 caps and are eligible for us.
With that in mind, I don’t think we need to worry too much about it for a while.
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Post by wirralwelsh on Oct 26, 2021 0:54:28 GMT
I disagree. It came about because of the Munir case. He played about 10 minutes of a qualifier for Spain and was locked to them. That seems wrong. It's nothing like rugby league really Munir said after his debut for Spain he had no intention of playing for Morocco. Then 3 years later threw a tantrum. I don’t want 3 or 4 Welsh players in the squad who played for another country a couple of times then changed what they apparently felt inside. That’s what’ll happen. Smaller nations will be full of players like that. It’s bad enough Collins, Morison and Ricketts has England c caps. I can accept it at youth level though Not to mention the number 14 here.....alongside a certain Alex Woodyard!
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Post by vvm on Oct 26, 2021 9:13:10 GMT
Been seeing Rhys Healey's name doing the rounds a bit on Twitter. Looks to have hit a bit of form for Toulouse in Ligue 2. Was it ever fully debunked if he was eligible or not? I think he just missed out on the 5+ years schooling rule.
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Post by dai on Oct 26, 2021 9:29:01 GMT
Been seeing Rhys Healey's name doing the rounds a bit on Twitter. Looks to have hit a bit of form for Toulouse in Ligue 2. Was it ever fully debunked if he was eligible or not? I think he just missed out on the 5+ years schooling rule. Just found this old tweet from Neil Dragon soccer, not eligible unfortunately:
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Post by insertname on Oct 26, 2021 10:39:23 GMT
As far as I’m aware, we don’t know any players who have played senior football for someone else, had less than 4 caps and are eligible for us. With that in mind, I don’t think we need to worry too much about it for a while. No I agree, but it’s a danger to international football generally, imo. I get that players can change their allegiance and in that sense it’s tough, but I feel that this is setting a snowball off and running at the top of a mountain which over decades could become an avalanche when combined with naturalisation rules. 4 caps today, ten caps tomorrow, residency rules etc. Imo the rules need to be kept strict as possible to stop some of the oddities seen in other sports, I’m specifically thinking of rugby Union here but that’s probably done because of participation numbers worldwide. It may not affect us in the player base but when Dunga Jr scores the winner for Saudi Arabia to put us out of the 2034 World Cup semi finals and he later shows MTV round his home and proudly displays his solitary cap for Brazil I’m sure you’ll have something to say about it 😂
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 26, 2021 10:40:28 GMT
Well in that case it's not great for Morocco to be picking him, but what I'd say is that it should also be screened by Morocco that he's said that. They should be saying we're not going to pick you because of these comments. Most players wouldn't be in that position, and I don't think we'd ever be in a position whereby several of our squad have been capped by England, and end up playing for us I can't even think of a situation where this could have happened in recent times before the rule was put in place What Brooks stuck with England played a token cap then changed his mind ? What if Hargreaves played twice then got injured then we called him up? Coleman publicly wanted Shawcross after he had an England cap as he was under 23 and it was a friendly at time of cap. Would’ve been nonsense. Those 3 are players in different eras. So obviously my point, that we wouldn't have several players in the squad at once who were in that situation, still stands The odd player here or there benefits from this rule. Aside from that it's hardly bringing the national game into disrepute in the way you are suggesting
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 26, 2021 10:42:41 GMT
As far as I’m aware, we don’t know any players who have played senior football for someone else, had less than 4 caps and are eligible for us. With that in mind, I don’t think we need to worry too much about it for a while. No I agree, but it’s a danger to international football generally, imo. I get that players can change their allegiance and in that sense it’s tough, but I feel that this is setting a snowball off and running at the top of a mountain which over decades could become an avalanche when combined with naturalisation rules. 4 caps today, ten caps tomorrow, residency rules etc. Imo the rules need to be kept strict as possible to stop some of the oddities seen in other sports, I’m specifically thinking of rugby Union here but that’s probably done because of participation numbers worldwide. That's a logical fallacy called the slippery slope fallacy. The rules will never become that open, and I don't believe the current rules are even that open as others have suggested. We don't actually gain access to any new players under these rules so can't be that open & nothing to worry about it becoming like rugby
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Post by bale-droed on Oct 26, 2021 20:12:28 GMT
No I agree, but it’s a danger to international football generally, imo. I get that players can change their allegiance and in that sense it’s tough, but I feel that this is setting a snowball off and running at the top of a mountain which over decades could become an avalanche when combined with naturalisation rules. 4 caps today, ten caps tomorrow, residency rules etc. Imo the rules need to be kept strict as possible to stop some of the oddities seen in other sports, I’m specifically thinking of rugby Union here but that’s probably done because of participation numbers worldwide. That's a logical fallacy called the slippery slope fallacy. The rules will never become that open, and I don't believe the current rules are even that open as others have suggested. We don't actually gain access to any new players under these rules so can't be that open & nothing to worry about it becoming like rugby May seem pedantic but rugby league eligibility rules are a joke. Rugby unions at present is far better and makes more sense than footballs
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 26, 2021 23:14:36 GMT
That's a logical fallacy called the slippery slope fallacy. The rules will never become that open, and I don't believe the current rules are even that open as others have suggested. We don't actually gain access to any new players under these rules so can't be that open & nothing to worry about it becoming like rugby May seem pedantic but rugby league eligibility rules are a joke. Rugby unions at present is far better and makes more sense than footballs Rugby union is still a bit loose though isn't it? Don't Wales have a load of Kiwis in the team because they've lived here for 5 years+?
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Post by bale-droed on Oct 27, 2021 1:46:55 GMT
May seem pedantic but rugby league eligibility rules are a joke. Rugby unions at present is far better and makes more sense than footballs Rugby union is still a bit loose though isn't it? Don't Wales have a load of Kiwis in the team because they've lived here for 5 years+? Yeah unions rules Of eligibility are also far from perfect but it’s the same rules for everybody. I actually like the 5 year residency rule and I wish we had it in football . I mean what makes more sense Angel Rangel who’s kids are born in Wales with his Welsh wife where he’s lived for 10 years or James Lawrence Playing for wales?
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Oct 27, 2021 10:59:30 GMT
Rugby union is still a bit loose though isn't it? Don't Wales have a load of Kiwis in the team because they've lived here for 5 years+? Yeah unions rules Of eligibility are also far from perfect but it’s the same rules for everybody. I actually like the 5 year residency rule and I wish we had it in football . I mean what makes more sense Angel Rangel who’s kids are born in Wales with his Welsh wife where he’s lived for 10 years or James Lawrence Playing for wales? The residency rule does apply in football tbf. We can’t use it though as we’re not independent yet. I don’t particularly like it, at least JLaw has some Welsh blood and could feel proud of his roots. Full Brazilians playing for China feels like cheating.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 27, 2021 11:01:35 GMT
Rugby union is still a bit loose though isn't it? Don't Wales have a load of Kiwis in the team because they've lived here for 5 years+? Yeah unions rules Of eligibility are also far from perfect but it’s the same rules for everybody. I actually like the 5 year residency rule and I wish we had it in football . I mean what makes more sense Angel Rangel who’s kids are born in Wales with his Welsh wife where he’s lived for 10 years or James Lawrence Playing for wales? Fair point in the case of Rangel. But I think in general it should be longer than 5 years. Lots of players stay playing for clubs for 5 years. I think it should be more like 7-8 years as that truly would seperate those who want to move here for a bit to become eligible, from those who genuinely have built a life here
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Post by iot on Oct 27, 2021 11:51:35 GMT
Yeah unions rules Of eligibility are also far from perfect but it’s the same rules for everybody. I actually like the 5 year residency rule and I wish we had it in football . I mean what makes more sense Angel Rangel who’s kids are born in Wales with his Welsh wife where he’s lived for 10 years or James Lawrence Playing for wales? Fair point in the case of Rangel. But I think in general it should be longer than 5 years. Lots of players stay playing for clubs for 5 years. I think it should be more like 7-8 years as that truly would seperate those who want to move here for a bit to become eligible, from those who genuinely have built a life here Or just adopt the 5-years whilst in education (up to 18) as per the home nations agreement
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Post by derynglas on Oct 27, 2021 12:16:54 GMT
IMO the residency rules in rugby are an anachronism that belong in the amateur era. It used to be 2 years,now i think theyv tried to extend it to 5 years. However long it is,its a nonsense in the professional era when payers move around so much.
The main beneficiaries in rugby seem to be Australia and New Zealand who continually are able to take the cream of the talent from the South Sea islands and make themselves even stronger than they already are,they dont need any help as far as I can see. And at huge cost to the island sides who produce quite a lot of talent.
If it was widely used in football it would mean a lot of players in the EPL becoming eligible for England,what a nightmare.We have enough trouble with them trying to nick players from everywhere as it is.This would mainly help the major countries if it was used more widely and would destry everything thats special about the international game.
The parent/Grandparent rule though is great.Mainly helps smaller countries make themselves a bit bigger,like ourselves and Ireland.The players are part of our diaspora. We lose a lot of our best people,then we get something back further down the line. If you use the Angel Rangel analogy you might as well say that somr random Brazilian whos played for Liverpool for x number of years,has an English wife and kids is eligible for England on the strength of that.It doesnt change his nationality or where hes from.
James Lawrence? His grandmother is from Haverfordwest-hes one of our own!
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 27, 2021 12:22:33 GMT
Residency rule is a little silly imo
I'll change my tune if Cardiff, Swansea etc become all conquering EPL sides with world class potential Welshies though
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 27, 2021 13:27:27 GMT
Fair point in the case of Rangel. But I think in general it should be longer than 5 years. Lots of players stay playing for clubs for 5 years. I think it should be more like 7-8 years as that truly would seperate those who want to move here for a bit to become eligible, from those who genuinely have built a life here Or just adopt the 5-years whilst in education (up to 18) as per the home nations agreement That rule is already in place. I was suggesting that as well as that long term residencies are considered for eligibility
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 27, 2021 13:29:19 GMT
IMO the residency rules in rugby are an anachronism that belong in the amateur era. It used to be 2 years,now i think theyv tried to extend it to 5 years. However long it is,its a nonsense in the professional era when payers move around so much. The main beneficiaries in rugby seem to be Australia and New Zealand who continually are able to take the cream of the talent from the South Sea islands and make themselves even stronger than they already are,they dont need any help as far as I can see. And at huge cost to the island sides who produce quite a lot of talent. If it was widely used in football it would mean a lot of players in the EPL becoming eligible for England,what a nightmare.We have enough trouble with them trying to nick players from everywhere as it is.This would mainly help the major countries if it was used more widely and would destry everything thats special about the international game. The parent/Grandparent rule though is great.Mainly helps smaller countries make themselves a bit bigger,like ourselves and Ireland.The players are part of our diaspora. We lose a lot of our best people,then we get something back further down the line. If you use the Angel Rangel analogy you might as well say that somr random Brazilian whos played for Liverpool for x number of years,has an English wife and kids is eligible for England on the strength of that.It doesnt change his nationality or where hes from. James Lawrence? His grandmother is from Haverfordwest-hes one of our own! Good point - I do agree it would benefit England as they have a ton that would be eligible. It would advantage the big countries with big leagues far more. Probs a good idea to not go down the residency route
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Post by iot on Oct 27, 2021 14:33:40 GMT
Or just adopt the 5-years whilst in education (up to 18) as per the home nations agreement That rule is already in place. I was suggesting that as well as that long term residencies are considered for eligibility Yes I know that, I was suggesting that the rest of the world adopts the same rule. I think it's a good rule at separating those who have a genuine connection with a country from those who may have made a more cynical move to become eligible like we see in rugby. No single rule will be perfect of course, but I think that strikes the best balance.
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Post by insertname on Oct 27, 2021 21:13:03 GMT
Yeah unions rules Of eligibility are also far from perfect but it’s the same rules for everybody. I actually like the 5 year residency rule and I wish we had it in football . I mean what makes more sense Angel Rangel who’s kids are born in Wales with his Welsh wife where he’s lived for 10 years or James Lawrence Playing for wales? The residency rule does apply in football tbf. We can’t use it though as we’re not independent yet. I don’t particularly like it, at least JLaw has some Welsh blood and could feel proud of his roots. Full Brazilians playing for China feels like cheating. Naturalisation when a “happy accident” seems reasonable to me but it’s so easily exploited, in the way I believe Azerbaijan (and other rich gulf nations) have tried by importing Brazilians and using their wealth to “grow” a naturalised and naturally talented international football team.
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Post by bale-droed on Oct 29, 2021 10:28:41 GMT
Dunno if he’s been discussed previously but what about Rhys Bennett of man utd?
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Post by dragons on Oct 29, 2021 10:56:46 GMT
Dunno if he’s been discussed previously but what about Rhys Bennett of man utd? Not eligible.
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Post by welshrover on Oct 29, 2021 12:12:18 GMT
Has anybody looked into Corey Brent of Weather field County 😌
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 2, 2021 19:59:15 GMT
If louis Thompson qualifies does that mean his brother Nathan who plays for Peterborough qualifies? or is Nathan a half sibling with a different qualifying parent ?
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 2, 2021 20:21:44 GMT
Jocks have included Stoke's 23yo striker in their latest squad, he qualifies through his Mother. He's scored 4 this season. Striker search rumbles on for us as usual.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 3, 2021 15:53:02 GMT
If louis Thompson qualifies does that mean his brother Nathan who plays for Peterborough qualifies? or is Nathan a half sibling with a different qualifying parent ? dragonsoccer
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Post by dai on Nov 3, 2021 15:57:20 GMT
If louis Thompson qualifies does that mean his brother Nathan who plays for Peterborough qualifies? or is Nathan a half sibling with a different qualifying parent ? dragonsoccer He's mentioned him before in tweets, so I presume yes.
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Post by rob on Nov 8, 2021 12:54:06 GMT
Jocks have included Stoke's 23yo striker in their latest squad, he qualifies through his Mother. He's scored 4 this season. Striker search rumbles on for us as usual. We have Chem Campbell who has made the bench a couple of times for Wolves this season but Bodin will not choose him.Not helping over ourselves.Until this squad Bodin ignored Kieron Evans too.Not likely U21s are doing well either.
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