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Post by insertname on Apr 1, 2022 10:30:09 GMT
Earnshaw qualified under the educational rule. That rule never existed until 09/2010 So Earnshaw didn’t qualify under that. Andy Dorman was the first to play under the educational rule Nothing particularly relevant to add to this whole conversation except to say Andy Dorman! Christ, remember those days? 😩
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Post by insertname on Apr 1, 2022 10:32:05 GMT
Highly unlikely to lead to call ups, but in theory can you think of any Wales based or formerly Wales based players who are eligible via residency? I know technically I think they could be based anywhere in Britain to be eligible (if from overseas) but that would be really ridiculous if someone from abroad was called up and had no familial ties&had never lived in Wales. The most prominent eligible example from recent years would probably be Angel Rangel. Currently the only viable one I can think of might be Steven Benda whos been at Swansea for long enough now to qualify and obviously hasn't been capped by Germany. Would these types be any worse than calling up Eric Young for example? Who qualified via the British Army base abroad querk. Does Adam Davies have familial ties to Wales? I don't know why we didn't call up Angel Rangel. The agreement will only be in place until England want to break it anyway. Exactly. Remember when England were going to break it for Januszaj? Until a combination of Januszaj not being the World beater England thought and him declaring for Belgium made England go quiet about it.
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Post by insertname on Apr 1, 2022 10:32:43 GMT
Congrats all to not going for the usually inevitable rubbish April Fools joke of saying that someone is eligible for Wales before hilariously revealing that theyre not haha. When I saw activity on this thread today I thought that someone has definitely done it again today but was pleasantly surprised to see actual eligibility conversation on here haha. Ignore this, just seen the Cole Palmer thread, haha
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Post by bale-droed on Apr 1, 2022 10:36:24 GMT
Congrats all to not going for the usually inevitable rubbish April Fools joke of saying that someone is eligible for Wales before hilariously revealing that theyre not haha. When I saw activity on this thread today I thought that someone has definitely done it again today but was pleasantly surprised to see actual eligibility conversation on here haha. Ignore this, just seen the Cole Palmer thread, haha Someone had to. No regrets
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Post by marsvolta on Apr 1, 2022 11:19:54 GMT
Ignore this, just seen the Cole Palmer thread, haha Someone had to. No regrets Exactly, though it would have saved me a bit of typing if I’d have looked at that thread first haha See you all next year for the same ha ha.
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 1, 2022 16:16:33 GMT
I don't know why we didn't call up Angel Rangel. The agreement will only be in place until England want to break it anyway. Exactly. Remember when England were going to break it for Januszaj? Until a combination of Januszaj not being the World beater England thought and him declaring for Belgium made England go quiet about it. The whole Januzaj saga was deeply embarrassing for England
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Post by insertname on Apr 1, 2022 16:21:42 GMT
Exactly. Remember when England were going to break it for Januszaj? Until a combination of Januszaj not being the World beater England thought and him declaring for Belgium made England go quiet about it. The whole Januzaj saga was deeply embarrassing for England It certainly showed how dirty they were prepared to get if someone dropped 50p in front of them.
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Post by chief on Apr 1, 2022 19:45:41 GMT
I don't know why we didn't call up Angel Rangel. The agreement will only be in place until England want to break it anyway. Exactly. Remember when England were going to break it for Januszaj? Until a combination of Januszaj not being the World beater England thought and him declaring for Belgium made England go quiet about it. Doesn't this agreement only apply to players from other home nations? Not non British players? For example Joe Ralls or Leon Britton wouldn't be eligible for Wales through this. But residentialised non British players come under a FIFA residency rule? (Or not as is the case).
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 2, 2022 9:37:42 GMT
Exactly. Remember when England were going to break it for Januszaj? Until a combination of Januszaj not being the World beater England thought and him declaring for Belgium made England go quiet about it. Doesn't this agreement only apply to players from other home nations? Not non British players? For example Joe Ralls or Leon Britton wouldn't be eligible for Wales through this. But residentialised non British players come under a FIFA residency rule? (Or not as is the case). There is no residentialised rule in the UK nations. If a player comes over to Wales from Spain or England with no familial connections, and comes here when he is 13, and then lives and plays football here until he is 40 he will still never be eligible, because he didn't have 5 years of continuous study in Wales The only rules are family connections up to grandparents, and the rule about 5 years continuous education. There is no residency rule - other independent countries can have their own rules about naturalisation & residency - we can't
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Post by insertname on Apr 2, 2022 10:52:16 GMT
Doesn't this agreement only apply to players from other home nations? Not non British players? For example Joe Ralls or Leon Britton wouldn't be eligible for Wales through this. But residentialised non British players come under a FIFA residency rule? (Or not as is the case). There is no residentialised rule in the UK nations. If a player comes over to Wales from Spain or England with no familial connections, and comes here when he is 13, and then lives and plays football here until he is 40 he will still never be eligible, because he didn't have 5 years of continuous study in Wales The only rules are family connections up to grandparents, and the rule about 5 years continuous education. There is no residency rule - other independent countries can have their own rules about naturalisation & residency - we can't What was the story around Januszaj then? Actually, whilst typing this I’ve just had my memory jogged- am I right in thinking that England were willing to break the gentleman’s agreement over him and admitted as much publicly, but then it turned out that he wasn’t actually eligible for them in the first place because of the rules you just stated? That seems to ring a bell…
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Post by marsvolta on Apr 2, 2022 11:12:28 GMT
There is no residentialised rule in the UK nations. If a player comes over to Wales from Spain or England with no familial connections, and comes here when he is 13, and then lives and plays football here until he is 40 he will still never be eligible, because he didn't have 5 years of continuous study in Wales The only rules are family connections up to grandparents, and the rule about 5 years continuous education. There is no residency rule - other independent countries can have their own rules about naturalisation & residency - we can't What was the story around Januszaj then? Actually, whilst typing this I’ve just had my memory jogged- am I right in thinking that England were willing to break the gentleman’s agreement over him and admitted as much publicly, but then it turned out that he wasn’t actually eligible for them in the first place because of the rules you just stated? That seems to ring a bell… I think a certain percentage of it was the English media being unaware of the rules so the story didn’t go away. I think England did say they were looking into it but whether they would actually have gone as far as break the agreement Is debatable. A similar story happened when Sam Allardyce looked into Steven Nzonzi playing for England.
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Post by insertname on Apr 2, 2022 11:37:39 GMT
What was the story around Januszaj then? Actually, whilst typing this I’ve just had my memory jogged- am I right in thinking that England were willing to break the gentleman’s agreement over him and admitted as much publicly, but then it turned out that he wasn’t actually eligible for them in the first place because of the rules you just stated? That seems to ring a bell… I think a certain percentage of it was the English media being unaware of the rules so the story didn’t go away. I think England did say they were looking into it but whether they would actually have gone as far as break the agreement Is debatable. A similar story happened when Sam Allardyce looked into Steven Nzonzi playing for England. Ah thanks, yeah that all rings bells. The media latched on to it and from memory England’s spokes people seemed to be flirting with breaking the gentleman’s agreement, although let’s be fair we all know they would break it if the stakes were high enough.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 2, 2022 14:56:02 GMT
There is no residentialised rule in the UK nations. If a player comes over to Wales from Spain or England with no familial connections, and comes here when he is 13, and then lives and plays football here until he is 40 he will still never be eligible, because he didn't have 5 years of continuous study in Wales The only rules are family connections up to grandparents, and the rule about 5 years continuous education. There is no residency rule - other independent countries can have their own rules about naturalisation & residency - we can't What was the story around Januszaj then? Actually, whilst typing this I’ve just had my memory jogged- am I right in thinking that England were willing to break the gentleman’s agreement over him and admitted as much publicly, but then it turned out that he wasn’t actually eligible for them in the first place because of the rules you just stated? That seems to ring a bell… Yeah I remember England said we will look into it, and they said the same with Leon Bailey when he kept insisting he was eligible. The right thing to do on their part to make sure before you say anything, but both stories ended up being untrue
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Post by marsvolta on Apr 2, 2022 15:08:14 GMT
What was the story around Januszaj then? Actually, whilst typing this I’ve just had my memory jogged- am I right in thinking that England were willing to break the gentleman’s agreement over him and admitted as much publicly, but then it turned out that he wasn’t actually eligible for them in the first place because of the rules you just stated? That seems to ring a bell… Yeah I remember England said we will look into it, and they said the same with Leon Bailey when he kept insisting he was eligible. The right thing to do on their part to make sure before you say anything, but both stories ended up being untrue I think Leon Bailey had an English grandparent so was therefore eligible for them.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 3, 2022 8:55:44 GMT
Yeah I remember England said we will look into it, and they said the same with Leon Bailey when he kept insisting he was eligible. The right thing to do on their part to make sure before you say anything, but both stories ended up being untrue I think Leon Bailey had an English grandparent so was therefore eligible for them. No he had a grandparent who gained British citizenship after living in England for many years. However the rules state that your parent or grandparent must be born there in order to confer eligibility. He was never eligible
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Post by marsvolta on Apr 3, 2022 10:27:08 GMT
I think Leon Bailey had an English grandparent so was therefore eligible for them. No he had a grandparent who gained British citizenship after living in England for many years. However the rules state that your parent or grandparent must be born there in order to confer eligibility. He was never eligible Ah fair enough, I knew he was eligible for loads of countries but didn’t sure how. Jeez, grandparent was a British citizen so they tried to get him to play for England. That’s pushing it to the extreme
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 3, 2022 12:22:10 GMT
No he had a grandparent who gained British citizenship after living in England for many years. However the rules state that your parent or grandparent must be born there in order to confer eligibility. He was never eligible Ah fair enough, I knew he was eligible for loads of countries but didn’t sure how. Jeez, grandparent was a British citizen so they tried to get him to play for England. That’s pushing it to the extreme Bailey's Dad is a very outspoken critic of the Jamaican FA. He was pulling all these stunts where he was publicly claiming Bailey would go and play for a different country like Germany or England if Jamaica didn't pick Bailey's younger brother as well I think he also wanted more Jamaican qualified players to be pursued to up the standards of the team as well. Ultimately Bailey hasn't turned out to be the superstar his dad might have thought he was, but Jamaica have improved their squad with a series of EFL additions, including Michail Antonio Maybe his dad had a point, but I do think he was trying to pressure the Jamaican FA for his own benefit. Turned out the English link was a no-goer and he'd have had to played in Germany until late on in his career to actually play for them, so false threats in the end really
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 5, 2022 21:58:58 GMT
Max Cleworth, do the checks.
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Post by marsvolta on Apr 5, 2022 22:21:11 GMT
Max Cleworth, do the checks. I think his dad (or another relative) said on Twitter that he’s not eligible for us last month or the month before.
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Post by hooky on Apr 5, 2022 22:25:49 GMT
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Post by hooky on Apr 5, 2022 22:26:20 GMT
SIGNED 06/09/2019
COUNTRY Wales
Defender Cleworth began his footballing career playing youth football for the likes of Frodsham and Connah's Quay before being recommended to Wrexham at the age of 12.
Cleworth began with the under-13 group and spent his formative years at the Racecourse Ground. He was first involved in the first-team set-up aged 17 when making his debut in the Scottish Challenge Cup against Ayr United, going on to also face St Mirren Colts and Rangers Colts in the competition.
Later on in the 2019/20 campaign, he was named on the bench in the National League against Harrogate Town and Dagenham & Redbridge before the season was curtailed.
In August 2020 Cleworth was offered a first professional deal penning a contract until the summer of 2021. In January 2021 he joined Cymru Premier side Caernarfon Town on loan until the end of the season.
He made his Cofi's debut in a 2-2 draw Aberystwyth Town in the Cymru Premier coming on as a substitute in the first half, whilst he started his first game against Flint Town United playing the full 90 minutes. Cleworth's first professional goal came in a 3-0 win over Bala Town, netting a brace at the Oval. Max was part of a Caernarfon side that qualified for the European Conference play-off final, but lost out to Newtown.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 5, 2022 22:26:25 GMT
Max Cleworth, do the checks. I think his dad (or another relative) said on Twitter that he’s not eligible for us last month or the month before. More checks!! He's exactly what we could do with. A mate of mine told me he went to school over here.
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Post by marsvolta on Apr 5, 2022 22:57:52 GMT
I think his dad (or another relative) said on Twitter that he’s not eligible for us last month or the month before. More checks!! He's exactly what we could do with. A mate of mine told me he went to school over here. Maybe he is, I might have got him mixed up with someone else. Either way, fingers crossed that he’s eligible.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 5, 2022 23:27:08 GMT
More checks!! He's exactly what we could do with. A mate of mine told me he went to school over here. Maybe he is, I might have got him mixed up with someone else. Either way, fingers crossed that he’s eligible. I think you're right, but I'm just living in hope. If he was eligible I'm sure he'd be with the u19s by now. We're pretty on the ball.
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Post by welshrover on Apr 6, 2022 6:42:44 GMT
Maybe he is, I might have got him mixed up with someone else. Either way, fingers crossed that he’s eligible. I think you're right, but I'm just living in hope. If he was eligible I'm sure he'd be with the u19s by now. We're pretty on the ball. He could be eligible based on the premise that his name rhymes with Welsh actress Gwyneth Keyworth!
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Post by iot on May 10, 2022 15:54:46 GMT
Did anyone ever find out if Max Cleworth is eligible? There's a bbc article today saying he's been with the academy since 12, but he's from Chester so presumably would have gone to school over there?
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Post by dragons on May 10, 2022 16:02:16 GMT
Not Eligible.
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Post by marsvolta on May 10, 2022 19:23:46 GMT
Apparently Ntekiah of Arsenal and Hudson Odoi of Chelsea are about to commit to Ghana. For us to uncover A couple of gems like that would be great
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 20:33:20 GMT
I thought hudson odoi has played for england,i am obviously getting him confused with someone else i can't think of at the moment
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Post by marsvolta on May 10, 2022 23:16:55 GMT
I thought hudson odoi has played for england,i am obviously getting him confused with someone else i can't think of at the moment Yeah,He’s played for England but you can switch as long as you haven’t had a fourth senior cap and he’s only had three.
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