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Post by talyfan on Jan 15, 2024 22:20:23 GMT
What's the latest ruling on channel island born players? 19 year old attacking mid Joe Adams on loan from Wigan making his debut for Morecambe today. Looks like he's got a bit about him. Was born in Guernsey. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Adams_(footballer,_born_2004) All comes down to eligibility. If a Channel Islander has any link to one of the home nations through education or family member they're only eligible for that country. E.g. Someone from Sark who has a Northern Irish grandmother is only eligible for Northern Ireland and no one else. A player born in Guernsey but grew up in Wales and has a English father. Is eligible for Wales through 5 years of continuous education before the age of 18. And eligible for England through heritage. If a player is born and raised in Helm. And both their parents and both sets of grandparents from Helm. They are then free to pick whichever home nation they wish. This is from my understanding. |
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Post by vvm on Jan 16, 2024 9:47:01 GMT
What's the latest ruling on channel island born players? 19 year old attacking mid Joe Adams on loan from Wigan making his debut for Morecambe today. Looks like he's got a bit about him. Was born in Guernsey. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Adams_(footballer,_born_2004) All comes down to eligibility. If a Channel Islander has any link to one of the home nations through education or family member they're only eligible for that country. E.g. Someone from Sark who has a Northern Irish grandmother is only eligible for Northern Ireland and no one else. A player born in Guernsey but grew up in Wales and has a English father. Is eligible for Wales through 5 years of continuous education before the age of 18. And eligible for England through heritage. If a player is born and raised in Helm. And both their parents and both sets of grandparents from Helm. They are then free to pick whichever home nation they wish. This is from my understanding. Interesting to know, thanks. As for the lad in question there doesn't appear to be any info currently available online as to his heritage. He was selected for England schoolboys at one point, so potentially doubtful that he would be eligible for us. |
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Post by talyfan on Jan 16, 2024 13:24:05 GMT
All comes down to eligibility. If a Channel Islander has any link to one of the home nations through education or family member they're only eligible for that country. E.g. Someone from Sark who has a Northern Irish grandmother is only eligible for Northern Ireland and no one else. A player born in Guernsey but grew up in Wales and has a English father. Is eligible for Wales through 5 years of continuous education before the age of 18. And eligible for England through heritage. If a player is born and raised in Helm. And both their parents and both sets of grandparents from Helm. They are then free to pick whichever home nation they wish. This is from my understanding. Interesting to know, thanks. As for the lad in question there doesn't appear to be any info currently available online as to his heritage. He was selected for England schoolboys at one point, so potentially doubtful that he would be eligible for us. If this article anything to go by we know only moved to Eastleigh from Guernsey at U16s. So moved at 16 years old. Which wouldn't be enough to make him eligible for England through 5 years of continuous education before the age of 18. As he only has 2 years of education maybe 3. Anyone can represent English Schoolboys as long as they go to an English school, so that's not a major concern. In my opinion very unlikely he's eligible for us but you never know. Just have an inkling there's probably some English heritage in there somewhere. |
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Post by vvm on Jan 16, 2024 15:05:07 GMT
Interesting to know, thanks. As for the lad in question there doesn't appear to be any info currently available online as to his heritage. He was selected for England schoolboys at one point, so potentially doubtful that he would be eligible for us. If this article anything to go by we know only moved to Eastleigh from Guernsey at U16s. So moved at 16 years old. Which wouldn't be enough to make him eligible for England through 5 years of continuous education before the age of 18. As he only has 2 years of education maybe 3. Anyone can represent English Schoolboys as long as they go to an English school, so that's not a major concern. In my opinion very unlikely he's eligible for us but you never know. Just have an inkling there's probably some English heritage in there somewhere. Maybe some more info will come to light but I've got the same feeling as you. Moving to England at 16 makes me think maybe he had family over there to live with. I'll keep an eye out for any more info until he's confirmed ineligible for us. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 17, 2024 9:39:18 GMT
I thought the rule had changed so that those born on a Channel Island with parents/grandparents also born there were now only eligible for England. I thought they had changed the rule to benefit them (shock!)
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Post by dragonsoccer on Jan 17, 2024 10:07:31 GMT
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Post by guernseyred on Jan 18, 2024 12:24:54 GMT
Unfortunately his dad is English, mother from Guernsey. Grandparents on one side, Italian and Scottish on the other. The Scottish FA have already been in contact.
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 18, 2024 18:25:39 GMT
Unfortunately his dad is English, mother from Guernsey. Grandparents on one side, Italian and Scottish on the other. The Scottish FA have already been in contact. Fair enough. Realistically there was no more chance of him having Welsh blood as any other player in the Football League. |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Jan 18, 2024 22:47:41 GMT
A real shame that the celtic association seemingly must have agreed to amend the ‘gentlemen’s agreement’ re channel islanders. A real shot in their own foot. Wonder what they must have had out of it.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 19, 2024 10:22:09 GMT
A real shame that the celtic association seemingly must have agreed to amend the ‘gentlemen’s agreement’ re channel islanders. A real shot in their own foot. Wonder what they must have had out of it. I believe UEFA put pressure on the change because it did represent a bit of a loophole. Us calling up a player born in Guernsey without any familial ties to us, and who has potentially never even visited Wales is a bit of a farce if we're being honest That being said it's equally farcical that the same player could be called up for England for the same reasons, the Channel Islands are not part of the UK, so I don't see why anyone from there without an English family tie should be allowed to represent England either, doesn't make any sense. So I can see why they made it open to all UK nations to call them up I think in reality the number of players from any of those islands with parents & grandparents also from those islands is miniscule, so I don't think it will affect us much. Remember Luke Harris qualifies for us due to family tie |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Jan 19, 2024 15:04:03 GMT
A real shame that the celtic association seemingly must have agreed to amend the ‘gentlemen’s agreement’ re channel islanders. A real shot in their own foot. Wonder what they must have had out of it. I believe UEFA put pressure on the change because it did represent a bit of a loophole. Us calling up a player born in Guernsey without any familial ties to us, and who has potentially never even visited Wales is a bit of a farce if we're being honest That being said it's equally farcical that the same player could be called up for England for the same reasons, the Channel Islands are not part of the UK, so I don't see why anyone from there without an English family tie should be allowed to represent England either, doesn't make any sense. So I can see why they made it open to all UK nations to call them up I think in reality the number of players from any of those islands with parents & grandparents also from those islands is miniscule, so I don't think it will affect us much. Remember Luke Harris qualifies for us due to family tie Frustrating that it’s just another thing that’s skewed to benefit one country, at the expense of the others. Suppose it mirrors the make-up of the UK in that manner. Weird that a channel islander, who would be British, can only qualify for England should they have no familial ties to any other UK country. They might’ve preferred to play for us, or Scotland - yet are tied to a country they might have (understandably) no feelings for. They are basically re-affirming British = English in yet another aspect. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jan 28, 2024 12:26:43 GMT
Any idea if West Brom goalie Josh Griffiths, playing today, has any Welsh links? Born in Hereford and Welsh surname suggests that might be the case. Has one England U21 cap.
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Post by dragons on Jan 28, 2024 20:17:16 GMT
Any idea if West Brom goalie Josh Griffiths, playing today, has any Welsh links? Born in Hereford and Welsh surname suggests that might be the case. Has one England U21 cap. Not eligible that he is aware of ( Source) Josh Griffiths |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 15, 2024 12:21:48 GMT
Robert Earnshaw’s son, Silva Mexes (14 years old) , plays for Ipswich and may sign for Man Utd. Might be worth checking out, but I doubt he’s eligible.
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Post by iot on Mar 15, 2024 12:32:38 GMT
Robert Earnshaw’s son, Silva Mexes (14 years old) , plays for Ipswich and may sign for Man Utd. Might be worth checking out, but I doubt he’s eligible. That's a really good point, he's probably not eligible despite Earnie being Welsh through and through due to a quirk in the rules, which is a shame. |
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Post by gimli on Mar 15, 2024 12:56:35 GMT
Robert Earnshaw’s son, Silva Mexes (14 years old) , plays for Ipswich and may sign for Man Utd. Might be worth checking out, but I doubt he’s eligible. That's a really good point, he's probably not eligible despite Earnie being Welsh through and through due to a quirk in the rules, which is a shame. I wonder if there are any other similar cases? It seems like an oversight in the rules really. Earnie moved here young and as you say is Welsh through and through. That should count the same as being born here. I know there's technically no such thing as "Welsh citizenship", but he would have gotten his UK citizenship when living in Wales. Wonder if it's something that could be challenged if it ever came to it? Crazy to think that Earnie's son wouldn't be allowed to play for us but someone who's English through and through who's grandmother just happened to be born in Wales when her parents were on holiday here is eligible (like with Andy Johnson). |
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 15, 2024 13:07:44 GMT
Robert Earnshaw’s son, Silva Mexes (14 years old) , plays for Ipswich and may sign for Man Utd. Might be worth checking out, but I doubt he’s eligible. a reminder of the regualtions Born in Wales Maternal parents born in Wales Maternal grandparents born in Wales 5 years education The education came in around 2009/2010 (top of my head)
so how did Earnie become eligible for Wales? (without me checking)
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 15, 2024 13:23:13 GMT
Earnie was playing for Cardiff about 14 years ago so he may have actually been born in Wales.
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Post by ystradwales on Mar 15, 2024 13:28:03 GMT
Erine was born in Zambia and moved to Wales when he was 8 after his father died. His father was from Yorkshire and was working at a mine in Zambia where he met Erine's mother.
Ernie must have had a UK passport and must have been qualified for all the home nations prior to the changes to the current grandparent, parent and education rules
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Post by iot on Mar 15, 2024 13:32:52 GMT
That's a really good point, he's probably not eligible despite Earnie being Welsh through and through due to a quirk in the rules, which is a shame. I wonder if there are any other similar cases? It seems like an oversight in the rules really. Earnie moved here young and as you say is Welsh through and through. That should count the same as being born here. I know there's technically no such thing as "Welsh citizenship", but he would have gotten his UK citizenship when living in Wales. Wonder if it's something that could be challenged if it ever came to it? Crazy to think that Earnie's son wouldn't be allowed to play for us but someone who's English through and through who's grandmother just happened to be born in Wales when her parents were on holiday here is eligible (like with Andy Johnson). Yeah on that sort of 'common sense' basis Earnie's son definitely should be eligible, but you can't run these things on that sort of basis - it needs a common set of criteria (no matter how imperfect) otherwise there would be chaos. So I can't see on what basis we could challenge it. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 15, 2024 14:03:35 GMT
Robert Earnshaw’s son, Silva Mexes (14 years old) , plays for Ipswich and may sign for Man Utd. Might be worth checking out, but I doubt he’s eligible. a reminder of the regualtions Born in Wales Maternal parents born in Wales Maternal grandparents born in Wales 5 years education The education came in around 2009/2010 (top of my head)
so how did Earnie become eligible for Wales? (without me checking)
Surely paternal parents and grandparents count too? |
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 15, 2024 14:10:59 GMT
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 15, 2024 14:12:04 GMT
biological better description !  |
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Post by wirralwelsh on Mar 15, 2024 22:21:05 GMT
I'm fairly sure Earnie shouldn't have actually qualified for Wales half the time he was playing for us, as he had an English Dad and no Welsh blood, but as this was related to the home nations agreement rather than UEFA regulations it never really got challenged so he was able to play. I think the rules are fairer now though, even if we could have lost Giggsy had they been applied earlier!
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 29, 2024 16:42:16 GMT
Aimar Govea has just made his debut for the Swans. 2006 born - might he qualify via schooling? His brother, Jordi, joined the Swans in 2018.
Ecuador and Spain youth player.
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Post by talyfan on Mar 29, 2024 18:02:53 GMT
Aimar Govea has just made his debut for the Swans. 2006 born - might he qualify via schooling? His brother, Jordi, joined the Swans in 2018. Ecuador and Spain youth player. Moved to Swansea when he was 13. Eligibility via schooling is 5 years of continuous education before the age of 18. He might squeak it or might just fall shy. Been called up to Ecuador youth squads so assume he has more affiliation to them than us but interesting none the less. |
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Post by bale-droed on Mar 29, 2024 21:33:43 GMT
Aimar Govea has just made his debut for the Swans. 2006 born - might he qualify via schooling? His brother, Jordi, joined the Swans in 2018. Ecuador and Spain youth player. Moved to Swansea when he was 13. Eligibility via schooling is 5 years of continuous education before the age of 18. He might squeak it or might just fall shy. Been called up to Ecuador youth squads so assume he has more affiliation to them than us but interesting none the less. I thought it was 5 years of compulsory education? Compulsory is before the age of 16? |
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Post by talyfan on Mar 29, 2024 22:10:02 GMT
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Post by saturn9 on Apr 9, 2024 13:34:18 GMT
Sorry, if it's been raised before now, but just read over on goal.com transfers that Wrexham have a home grown defender in Cleworth🤔
His wiki bio says born over in Chester, and I don't think I remember his name mentioned in the Cymru youth thread.
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Post by dragonsoccer on Apr 9, 2024 14:09:40 GMT
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