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Post by cogancoronation31 on Oct 9, 2023 13:16:23 GMT
Have a funny feeling that Argentina may suddenly 'turn up' on Saturday and give us a hard game - I personally think now that it could go either way, whereas a few weeks back the Pumas were looking pretty poor.
Good sporting weekend ahead, then... it could well be that we'll just lose out in the rugby (not wishing that, just musing) - but on the other hand I'm starting to get a better gut feeling, goodness knows why, about our footie chances against Croatia on the Sunday. Even dreaming of a 2-0 win...!
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Post by dai on Oct 9, 2023 13:40:48 GMT
Wales will completely dominate Argentina, I reckon a 15+ points difference win.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 9, 2023 13:44:59 GMT
Not sure I know enough about rugby, but I think Gatland's style makes it so that we are good at grinding out tight games, and I think our game management is good enough to win this one. From my understanding this isn't the best Argentina side, and there's no reason why we shouldn't do it
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Post by janglingjack on Oct 9, 2023 15:08:50 GMT
thing with Argentina is they play in the rugby championship,they lose alot in it admittedly but they are used to playing some of the best teams in the world on a regular basis so they will be used to the pace and pressure,just never know which version of them will turn up,hopefully the one they have shown in some of the world cup games where they have been average at best
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Post by surge on Oct 9, 2023 17:22:48 GMT
Didn't Argentina beat England in Twickenham and New Zealand in New Zealand within recent memory?
They have been poor so far this World Cup and are beatable, but they're also a capable side able to produce a good performance.
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Post by bale-droed on Oct 11, 2023 2:25:56 GMT
It's going to be Fiji Wales in the final. Everyone is looking at Ireland l, France, South Africa maybe NZ but here comes the biggest upset ever.
Fiji can literally lose to anyone but also beat anyone. I've never seen anything like it. I'm calling a comfortable victory v England for them before beating SA/France in semi.
Us v NZ semi final 2
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 14, 2023 16:58:27 GMT
We scored early doors and thought we'd be able to close shop against a determined Argentina side who were happy to chip away at the scoreline with penalties. Thoroughly deserved to lose this one.
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Post by surge on Oct 14, 2023 17:06:26 GMT
Chance to go 13-0 up but Biggar missed a chance he'd usually take. Think he might have been a bit injured going into this one but Anscombe was worse.
I don't think either side really deserved to win and we were a bit unlucky in making the last two mistakes.
I guess it's a lot of growing up in short time for some of our youngsters.
P.s Fecking "Prince of Wales" and sprog were there. I am upset at losing but then being in the crowd and "representing" us boils my piss. Why don't the feck off?
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Post by morg on Oct 14, 2023 17:08:28 GMT
We scored early doors and thought we'd be able to close shop against a determined Argentina side who were happy to chip away at the scoreline with penalties. Thoroughly deserved to lose this one. We did unfortunately. Failure to control the key moments or however the saying goes. 10 nil up, we miss a kickable penalty and then butcher 2 lines out in their 22. Very disappointing. Biggar's last game for us. Been a great presence for us over the years. |
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Post by quetzal on Oct 14, 2023 17:10:05 GMT
We weren’t good enough. Bench was terrible. Zammit kick going out dead was massive.
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Post by underwood on Oct 14, 2023 17:14:23 GMT
Chance to go 13-0 up but Biggar missed a chance he'd usually take. Think he might have been a bit injured going into this one but Anscombe was worse. I don't think either side really deserved to win and we were a bit unlucky in making the last two mistakes. I guess it's a lot of growing up in short time for some of our youngsters. P.s Fecking "Prince of Wales" and sprog were there. I am upset at losing but then being in the crowd and "representing" us boils my piss. Why don't the feck off? As long as the eggers are happy to trot out onto the pitch with an emblem of the royal family on their shirts, you can’t really complain about them showing up can you? |
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Post by surge on Oct 14, 2023 17:25:05 GMT
Chance to go 13-0 up but Biggar missed a chance he'd usually take. Think he might have been a bit injured going into this one but Anscombe was worse. I don't think either side really deserved to win and we were a bit unlucky in making the last two mistakes. I guess it's a lot of growing up in short time for some of our youngsters. P.s Fecking "Prince of Wales" and sprog were there. I am upset at losing but then being in the crowd and "representing" us boils my piss. Why don't the feck off? As long as the eggers are happy to trot out onto the pitch with an emblem of the royal family on their shirts, you can’t really complain about them showing up can you? AHH, but I can. I can't work out how it makes sense yet but they shouldn't be there pretending to represent us. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Oct 14, 2023 17:26:29 GMT
Best team won, we didn’t take our chances and as somebody said our bench offered nothing . Few players were off it too
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Post by paj on Oct 14, 2023 19:20:31 GMT
Oh dear, what a shame, never mind.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Oct 14, 2023 20:12:13 GMT
Apart from one lightweight rendition of Hymns and Arias, the Welsh supporters in the crowd at Marseille were completely out-shouted by the noisy Pumas fans.
Our Wal Goch puts the Three Feathers brigade in the shade when it comes to vocal in-stadium support.
A pity nonetheless that it's the end of the World Cup rugby adventure for our oval ball lads (who played well in the group stage, but came up just short today).
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Post by dai on Oct 14, 2023 21:31:40 GMT
Welsh rugby fans remind me of England football fans. That's all I heard in work this week was 'We can turn over Ireland, but no chance we beat NZ'. Very little respect given to Argentina.
I'm surprised though, I did think this would be a pretty straightforward win considering how poor the Argies have looked so far.
I'm a bit baffled by how much admiration Biggar gets though. He's a complete whingebag on the pitch, and it's embarrassing hearing him moan and complain to the ref so much. He was also poor during this WC, so right time to retire.
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Post by underwood on Oct 14, 2023 22:19:27 GMT
The Rugby ‘World’ Cup.
No qualification
A draw made so far in advance it’s laughably lopsided
Sub-standard teams getting beat 86-0
5 weeks just to get rid of Australia & Scotland
Another 2 weeks to get an NZ v SA final, something most people could have predicted beforehand
Fans smiling & waving on the big screen as their country is about to be eliminated
Players constantly moaning at refs, but apparently their behaviour is so much better than footballers
I just don’t fall for any of this guff.
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Post by janglingjack on Oct 15, 2023 6:34:36 GMT
jesus you people can fucking whinge
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Post by surge on Oct 15, 2023 7:54:32 GMT
Welsh rugby fans remind me of England football fans. That's all I heard in work this week was 'We can turn over Ireland, but no chance we beat NZ'. Very little respect given to Argentina. I'm surprised though, I did think this would be a pretty straightforward win considering how poor the Argies have looked so far. I'm a bit baffled by how much admiration Biggar gets though. He's a complete whingebag on the pitch, and it's embarrassing hearing him moan and complain to the ref so much. He was also poor during this WC, so right time to retire. Some dopey Welsh fans were looking at semi-final already, he says, but I thought game against Argentina would be pretty straightforward. I think it was our lack of depth exposed by injuries that did us more than anything. Faletau gets us over the game line in way we struggle to without him, LRZ isn't yet full-back and Anscombe option not available so kick goes long. Slightly worrying issue to go out on considering several of the better players now exiting the stage. Argentina made fewer mistakes and now New Zealand get chance of revenge having recently lost to Argentina on home soil. I'm too young for the complete rejection of rugby some football fans have. |
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Post by hooky on Oct 15, 2023 8:29:21 GMT
Well I guess, just like the football, the result highlights our big weakness as a sporting nation - lack of strength in depth. When you have a very small player base, then if you have a few players off their game then you are in big trouble as the replacements / bench are not going to take you to another level
The frustrating thing for me is that while one can accept defeat it is awful watching players play beneath their standard and make basic errors - something which we have seen in both sports recently. Still - I wish we had the equivalent of Gatland in charge of the football team!
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Post by bale-droed on Oct 15, 2023 8:57:00 GMT
The Rugby ‘World’ Cup. No qualification A draw made so far in advance it’s laughably lopsided Sub-standard teams getting beat 86-0 5 weeks just to get rid of Australia & Scotland Another 2 weeks to get an NZ v SA final, something most people could have predicted beforehand Fans smiling & waving on the big screen as their country is about to be eliminated Players constantly moaning at refs, but apparently their behaviour is so much better than footballers I just don’t fall for any of this guff. There is qualifying. If you finish in the top 3 of your group you automatically qualify for the next. So 12 qualify based on previous performance the next 8 go into proper qualifying. In the past Wales, Ireland, Scotland and England have all gone into European qualifying. Most of those fans on the big screen smiling and waving are French. Most neutral fans were buying jerseys there. Rugby world cup isn't perfect but there's 32 teams in the football world cup realistically 5 can win. Was an Argentina v France final surprising to you? Was Qatar getting 0 points like Romania surprising? |
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 15, 2023 9:05:51 GMT
The Rugby ‘World’ Cup. No qualification A draw made so far in advance it’s laughably lopsided Sub-standard teams getting beat 86-0 5 weeks just to get rid of Australia & Scotland Another 2 weeks to get an NZ v SA final, something most people could have predicted beforehand Fans smiling & waving on the big screen as their country is about to be eliminated Players constantly moaning at refs, but apparently their behaviour is so much better than footballers I just don’t fall for any of this guff. There is qualifying. If you finish in the top 3 of your group you automatically qualify for the next. So 12 qualify based on previous performance the next 8 go into proper qualifying. In the past Wales, Ireland, Scotland and England have all gone into European qualifying. Most of those fans on the big screen smiling and waving are French. Most neutral fans were buying jerseys there. Rugby world cup isn't perfect but there's 32 teams in the football world cup realistically 5 can win. Was an Argentina v France final surprising to you? Was Qatar getting 0 points like Romania surprising? In the football World Cup Morocco did amazing from nowhere, Germany went out early, usually have the champions curse. Not knocking the Rugby World Cup too much as its not my sport, but the group stage lasted forever, not too much of a knockout stage and teams getting a random free week that lower league football does when it hasn't got enough teams to fill the league. Why I also think the world cup groups going to 3 teams per group just doesn't seem right. |
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Post by surge on Oct 15, 2023 9:35:20 GMT
There is qualifying. If you finish in the top 3 of your group you automatically qualify for the next. So 12 qualify based on previous performance the next 8 go into proper qualifying. In the past Wales, Ireland, Scotland and England have all gone into European qualifying. Most of those fans on the big screen smiling and waving are French. Most neutral fans were buying jerseys there. Rugby world cup isn't perfect but there's 32 teams in the football world cup realistically 5 can win. Was an Argentina v France final surprising to you? Was Qatar getting 0 points like Romania surprising? In the football World Cup Morocco did amazing from nowhere, Germany went out early, usually have the champions curse. Not knocking the Rugby World Cup too much as its not my sport, but the group stage lasted forever, not too much of a knockout stage and teams getting a random free week that lower league football does when it hasn't got enough teams to fill the league. Why I also think the world cup groups going to 3 teams per group just doesn't seem right. The group stages did seem to last forever but I can't see an easy solution to it. 1. See teams play multiple times a week? More likely to have injuries. 2. See fewer teams qualify? We would have probably lost Portugal (one of the stand out sides) and Romania and/or not have African nation and much fewer South American sides. It's not fun seeing such a gulf in class but realistically there are a few sides top of the tree (even Scotland, Wales and Italy look adrift) due to budget and population and rest are also rans to greater or lesser extent. World Cup is when these smaller sides get biggest boost to their budget and interest to try and catch-up. |
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Post by bale-droed on Oct 15, 2023 10:25:48 GMT
In the football World Cup Morocco did amazing from nowhere, Germany went out early, usually have the champions curse. Not knocking the Rugby World Cup too much as its not my sport, but the group stage lasted forever, not too much of a knockout stage and teams getting a random free week that lower league football does when it hasn't got enough teams to fill the league. Why I also think the world cup groups going to 3 teams per group just doesn't seem right. The group stages did seem to last forever but I can't see an easy solution to it. 1. See teams play multiple times a week? More likely to have injuries. 2. See fewer teams qualify? We would have probably lost Portugal (one of the stand out sides) and Romania and/or not have African nation and much fewer South American sides. It's not fun seeing such a gulf in class but realistically there are a few sides top of the tree (even Scotland, Wales and Italy look adrift) due to budget and population and rest are also rans to greater or lesser extent. World Cup is when these smaller sides get biggest boost to their budget and interest to try and catch-up. It's not just about the winning it's the experience and celebration of the sport. Seeing teams in the rwc and football world cup facing off when they don't normally get a chance is great. It's like the fa cup third round. Romania are a million miles behind and keep being used as an example of shitness but it's important to remember if Spain hadn't fielded an ineligible player and if Russia weren't banned they wouldn't be there. There is a gulf but we get upsets every tournament. We could get Fiji v Argentina in the final. For 2031 the rwc will be expanded to 24 teams. The rumor is it'll use the same method as the euros. I hate that but I'd rather that than cutting it to 16. The rugby league world cup which is generally terrible in the group stage but very entertaining in the last 8 has just gone from 16 teams to 10 for the next and I think that's a shame. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Oct 15, 2023 23:17:02 GMT
Apart from one lightweight rendition of Hymns and Arias, the Welsh supporters in the crowd at Marseille were completely out-shouted by the noisy Pumas fans. Our Wal Goch puts the Three Feathers brigade in the shade when it comes to vocal in-stadium support. A pity nonetheless that it's the end of the World Cup rugby adventure for our oval ball lads (who played well in the group stage, but came up just short today). We were out-sung by the Croats tonight... |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 15, 2023 23:42:49 GMT
The RWC should be expanded to 32 teams and change it into 4 team Pools, have the break between the Pools and the knockout and have more knockout games. These quarter finals have been very entertaining, but include more teams in the knockout stage would improve it as a spectacle
Imagine a round of 16 consisting of;
Wales vs Tonga
NZ vs Samoa
Ireland vs Georgia
Argentina vs Italy
France vs Australia
SA vs Japan
England vs Scotland
Fiji vs Portugal
These would all be big draws and you might even see a few upsets in there, would defo improve things. The current issue is that the current format of rugby makes it limit expansion, and so finding the additional 12 teams would be difficult and a drop off in quality. But growth has to start somewhere Portugal are proof it can happen!
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Post by bale-droed on Oct 16, 2023 1:43:23 GMT
The RWC should be expanded to 32 teams and change it into 4 team Pools, have the break between the Pools and the knockout and have more knockout games. These quarter finals have been very entertaining, but include more teams in the knockout stage would improve it as a spectacle Imagine a round of 16 consisting of; Wales vs Tonga NZ vs Samoa Ireland vs Georgia Argentina vs Italy France vs Australia SA vs Japan England vs Scotland Fiji vs Portugal These would all be big draws and you might even see a few upsets in there, would defo improve things. The current issue is that the current format of rugby makes it limit expansion, and so finding the additional 12 teams would be difficult and a drop off in quality. But growth has to start somewhere Portugal are proof it can happen! One day I will drink a beer with you because you actually say a lot of things that I actually say. A 32 team rwc isn't actually an insane idea. This world cup USA,Canada, Russia,Spain are all missing. There are nations that have previously qualified that didn't come close to qualifying this time such as Ivory Coast and Zimbabwe (probably forgetting someone obvious) Rugby Union is also the national sport of Madagascar who have a population of 28 million and Sri Lanka have more registered players than Australia. I think Sri Lanka are 7th in the world for registered male players. Hong Kong "national" sport is also Rugby union and South Korea/Singapore, Belgium and Brazil have been between 20-28 in the world rankings forever. All have been above Chile in recent memory. Countries like Moldova, Norway and Netherlands have players playing at the highest level. So if you took the current 20 and added 12 of these teams in groups of 4 I don't think it damages the quality that much and ab exciting last 16 is appealing. It would amount to the same amount of games for the top teams and grow the game by providing funding in some of the poorer nations. I'll also just quickly add when you look at the success of Kenya in 7s and the fact rugby league is the national sport of papa new guinea a union world cup team could actually work in those nations because with the correct coaching the players already have top fundamentals. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 16, 2023 8:02:11 GMT
The RWC should be expanded to 32 teams and change it into 4 team Pools, have the break between the Pools and the knockout and have more knockout games. These quarter finals have been very entertaining, but include more teams in the knockout stage would improve it as a spectacle Imagine a round of 16 consisting of; Wales vs Tonga NZ vs Samoa Ireland vs Georgia Argentina vs Italy France vs Australia SA vs Japan England vs Scotland Fiji vs Portugal These would all be big draws and you might even see a few upsets in there, would defo improve things. The current issue is that the current format of rugby makes it limit expansion, and so finding the additional 12 teams would be difficult and a drop off in quality. But growth has to start somewhere Portugal are proof it can happen! One day I will drink a beer with you because you actually say a lot of things that I actually say. A 32 team rwc isn't actually an insane idea. This world cup USA,Canada, Russia,Spain are all missing. There are nations that have previously qualified that didn't come close to qualifying this time such as Ivory Coast and Zimbabwe (probably forgetting someone obvious) Rugby Union is also the national sport of Madagascar who have a population of 28 million and Sri Lanka have more registered players than Australia. I think Sri Lanka are 7th in the world for registered male players. Hong Kong "national" sport is also Rugby union and South Korea/Singapore, Belgium and Brazil have been between 20-28 in the world rankings forever. All have been above Chile in recent memory. Countries like Moldova, Norway and Netherlands have players playing at the highest level. So if you took the current 20 and added 12 of these teams in groups of 4 I don't think it damages the quality that much and ab exciting last 16 is appealing. It would amount to the same amount of games for the top teams and grow the game by providing funding in some of the poorer nations. I'll also just quickly add when you look at the success of Kenya in 7s and the fact rugby league is the national sport of papa new guinea a union world cup team could actually work in those nations because with the correct coaching the players already have top fundamentals. Haha great minds and that! 🍻 |
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Post by underwood on Oct 18, 2023 8:38:38 GMT
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Post by bobbyghoul on Oct 18, 2023 14:18:37 GMT
2 blokes have to go to hospital and your first thought is how to turn it into football v rugby. |
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