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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 9, 2022 11:10:00 GMT
Ok cheers good to know. Such a shame we let that point slip yesterday.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 9, 2022 11:18:04 GMT
Sorry to say (hope I'm wrong), don't think we'll be in Group A come the next Nations League campaign. It'll be between us and Poland for the drop. Important we get something against Belgium on Saturday. It was always going to be between us & Poland. But it's not that unlikely for us to get 3rd. We have to beat Poland at home - but we knew that when we started the camp. The Dutch result we weren't expecting much despite having a draw in our hands. So not much has changed. Just need to get a draw out of Belgium & everything looks better again. If we manage to pull one out of the bag and get a win tho suddenly we're in a great position |
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Post by welshowl on Jun 9, 2022 12:10:17 GMT
It's annoying how much having our WCQ play off in the middle of our NL games could cost us. Sunday's game had to be the priority, and beating Ukraine was all that matters this last week. I'm not sure whether it was Mepham or Norrington-Davies (or even Gareth) who were interviewed on S4C at the end of the game and said that Ukraine could fairly feel hard done by.
But after 2 games each in the latest NL, of those who got promoted to League A (Cymru, Austria, Czechs and Hungary), all three other teams besides us, have won one game. Stronger teams, weaker other groups, or just being able to go for it?
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Post by iot on Jun 9, 2022 13:21:59 GMT
Belgium stuffed Poland 6-1 last nights. Great for us as it could come down to goal difference to stay in League A As posted elsewhere this is pretty low down in the criteria with head to head the main one. We'll need to score twice against Poland at home and beat them. Ideally we'll pick up a couple of points elsewhere too... It's only below head to head right? So if we beat Poland by a one-score margin, it them comes down to overall goal difference? |
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Post by bringbackelmo on Jun 10, 2022 10:03:21 GMT
As posted elsewhere this is pretty low down in the criteria with head to head the main one. We'll need to score twice against Poland at home and beat them. Ideally we'll pick up a couple of points elsewhere too... It's only below head to head right? So if we beat Poland by a one-score margin, it them comes down to overall goal difference? Not that simple no. This is the list, from Wiki: If two or more teams in the same group are equal on points on completion of the league phase, the following tie-breaking criteria are applied:- Higher number of points obtained in the matches played among the teams in question;
- Superior goal difference in matches played among the teams in question;
- Higher number of goals scored in the matches played among the teams in question;
If, after having applied criteria 1 to 3, teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 1 to 3 are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the teams in question to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 5 to 11 apply;
- Superior goal difference in all group matches;
- Higher number of goals scored in all group matches;
- Higher number of away goals scored in all group matches;
- Higher number of wins in all group matches;
- Higher number of away wins in all group matches;
- Lower disciplinary points total in all group matches (1 point for a single yellow card, 3 points for a red card as a consequence of two yellow cards, 3 points for a direct red card, 4 points for a yellow card followed by a direct red card).
- Position in the 2022–23 UEFA Nations League access list.If we beat Poland and finish level on points it will rest on the scoreline in Cardiff. So for e.g. if we beat them 3-1 we'd go through on criteria 2. If we beat them 3-2 we'd go through on criteria 3. But if we win 1-0, they'd go through on the basis of criteria 3 (I think). Lots of football to be played anyway, we'd be better off trying to win on Saturday for starters..! |
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Post by welwyn on Jun 10, 2022 10:17:18 GMT
It's only below head to head right? So if we beat Poland by a one-score margin, it them comes down to overall goal difference? Not that simple no. This is the list, from Wiki: If two or more teams in the same group are equal on points on completion of the league phase, the following tie-breaking criteria are applied:- Higher number of points obtained in the matches played among the teams in question;
- Superior goal difference in matches played among the teams in question;
- Higher number of goals scored in the matches played among the teams in question;
If, after having applied criteria 1 to 3, teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 1 to 3 are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the teams in question to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 5 to 11 apply;
- Superior goal difference in all group matches;
- Higher number of goals scored in all group matches;
- Higher number of away goals scored in all group matches;
- Higher number of wins in all group matches;
- Higher number of away wins in all group matches;
- Lower disciplinary points total in all group matches (1 point for a single yellow card, 3 points for a red card as a consequence of two yellow cards, 3 points for a direct red card, 4 points for a yellow card followed by a direct red card).
- Position in the 2022–23 UEFA Nations League access list.If we beat Poland and finish level on points it will rest on the scoreline in Cardiff. So for e.g. if we beat them 3-1 we'd go through on criteria 2. If we beat them 3-2 we'd go through on criteria 3. But if we win 1-0, they'd go through on the basis of criteria 3 (I think). Lots of football to be played anyway, we'd be better off trying to win on Saturday for starters..! Not sure that's right: If we beat them 3-2 then it's 4-4 in regards to goals scored. Same is true if we beat them 1-0, it'd be 2-2 on goals scored. Basically criteria three only comes into play if 3 teams are tied on points as you can't have two teams tied on the GD(basically aggregate) on the games between them and have 1 side having scored more. Basically if we tie on points with Poland, it comes down to the aggregate score and then GD in the group. |
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Post by iot on Jun 10, 2022 10:36:34 GMT
Not that simple no. This is the list, from Wiki: If two or more teams in the same group are equal on points on completion of the league phase, the following tie-breaking criteria are applied:- Higher number of points obtained in the matches played among the teams in question;
- Superior goal difference in matches played among the teams in question;
- Higher number of goals scored in the matches played among the teams in question;
If, after having applied criteria 1 to 3, teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 1 to 3 are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the teams in question to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 5 to 11 apply;
- Superior goal difference in all group matches;
- Higher number of goals scored in all group matches;
- Higher number of away goals scored in all group matches;
- Higher number of wins in all group matches;
- Higher number of away wins in all group matches;
- Lower disciplinary points total in all group matches (1 point for a single yellow card, 3 points for a red card as a consequence of two yellow cards, 3 points for a direct red card, 4 points for a yellow card followed by a direct red card).
- Position in the 2022–23 UEFA Nations League access list.If we beat Poland and finish level on points it will rest on the scoreline in Cardiff. So for e.g. if we beat them 3-1 we'd go through on criteria 2. If we beat them 3-2 we'd go through on criteria 3. But if we win 1-0, they'd go through on the basis of criteria 3 (I think). Lots of football to be played anyway, we'd be better off trying to win on Saturday for starters..! Not sure that's right: If we beat them 3-2 then it's 4-4 in regards to goals scored. Same is true if we beat them 1-0, it'd be 2-2 on goals scored. Basically criteria three only comes into play if 3 teams are tied on points as you can't have two teams tied on the GD(basically aggregate) on the games between them and have 1 side having scored more. Basically if we tie on points with Poland, it comes down to the aggregate score and then GD in the group. Yep - so any victory by one goal against the Poles would tie us on the first three criteria, in which case the next criterion is 'Superior goal difference in all group matches'. That's why Poland getting thrashed was very good news for us. To be honest, us beating them by 1 goal is probably the most likely scenario. |
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Post by welshrover on Jun 10, 2022 10:57:53 GMT
Not sure that's right: If we beat them 3-2 then it's 4-4 in regards to goals scored. Same is true if we beat them 1-0, it'd be 2-2 on goals scored. Basically criteria three only comes into play if 3 teams are tied on points as you can't have two teams tied on the GD(basically aggregate) on the games between them and have 1 side having scored more. Basically if we tie on points with Poland, it comes down to the aggregate score and then GD in the group. Yep - so any victory by one goal against the Poles would tie us on the first three criteria, in which case the next criterion is 'Superior goal difference in all group matches'. That's why Poland getting thrashed was very good news for us. To be honest, us beating them by 1 goal is probably the most likely scenario. Refreshing to see they haven't over complicated things 😟😟 |
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Post by saturn9 on Jun 10, 2022 19:38:01 GMT
Austria 1 up on the French at HT. Ralf slowly turning things around.
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Post by iot on Jun 10, 2022 19:39:32 GMT
Austria 1 up on the French at HT. Ralf slowly turning things around. Yet further evidence of how well we did against them |
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Post by insertname on Jun 10, 2022 19:42:32 GMT
Austria 1 up on the French at HT. Ralf slowly turning things around. Yet further evidence of how well we did against them More like their previous manager couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. Either way who cares, their bad timing is our benefit |
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Post by saturn9 on Jun 10, 2022 20:22:04 GMT
Austria 1 up on the French at HT. Ralf slowly turning things around. Yet further evidence of how well we did against them That's why I've posted their results in the nl. He's got more than enough talent there to work with. |
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Post by dai on Jun 10, 2022 20:40:25 GMT
Are any of these games live on sky/bt or anything?
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Post by sleepy on Jun 10, 2022 20:44:30 GMT
Yet further evidence of how well we did against them More like their previous manager couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. Either way who cares, their bad timing is our benefit I thought they were pretty average against. Ukraine and Netherlands both a lot better. |
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Post by dlwilliams on Jun 10, 2022 23:32:53 GMT
Are any of these games live on sky/bt or anything? No, Premier Sports have the rights now. |
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Post by pendragon on Jun 11, 2022 1:33:49 GMT
Are any of these games live on sky/bt or anything? No, Premier Sports have the rights now. Thick question - where do you get Premier Sports? |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 11, 2022 6:55:49 GMT
Are any of these games live on sky/bt or anything? S4C have the rights. |
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Post by dai on Jun 11, 2022 9:36:51 GMT
Are any of these games live on sky/bt or anything? S4C have the rights. No, I meant the other Nations League games. Couldnt see anything on BT sport or Sky. |
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Post by jbt95 on Jun 11, 2022 9:38:29 GMT
No, I meant the other Nations League games. Couldnt see anything on BT sport or Sky. They are all on premier sport. 3 are shown at a time on TV and I believe the rest are online. |
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Post by jbt95 on Jun 11, 2022 9:39:16 GMT
No, Premier Sports have the rights now. Thick question - where do you get Premier Sports? Just go to their website, really easy to sign up if you have sky (which was my experience). |
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Post by bringbackelmo on Jun 11, 2022 10:13:50 GMT
Not that simple no. This is the list, from Wiki: If two or more teams in the same group are equal on points on completion of the league phase, the following tie-breaking criteria are applied:- Higher number of points obtained in the matches played among the teams in question;
- Superior goal difference in matches played among the teams in question;
- Higher number of goals scored in the matches played among the teams in question;
If, after having applied criteria 1 to 3, teams still have an equal ranking, criteria 1 to 3 are reapplied exclusively to the matches between the teams in question to determine their final rankings. If this procedure does not lead to a decision, criteria 5 to 11 apply;
- Superior goal difference in all group matches;
- Higher number of goals scored in all group matches;
- Higher number of away goals scored in all group matches;
- Higher number of wins in all group matches;
- Higher number of away wins in all group matches;
- Lower disciplinary points total in all group matches (1 point for a single yellow card, 3 points for a red card as a consequence of two yellow cards, 3 points for a direct red card, 4 points for a yellow card followed by a direct red card).
- Position in the 2022–23 UEFA Nations League access list.If we beat Poland and finish level on points it will rest on the scoreline in Cardiff. So for e.g. if we beat them 3-1 we'd go through on criteria 2. If we beat them 3-2 we'd go through on criteria 3. But if we win 1-0, they'd go through on the basis of criteria 3 (I think). Lots of football to be played anyway, we'd be better off trying to win on Saturday for starters..! Not sure that's right: If we beat them 3-2 then it's 4-4 in regards to goals scored. Same is true if we beat them 1-0, it'd be 2-2 on goals scored. Basically criteria three only comes into play if 3 teams are tied on points as you can't have two teams tied on the GD(basically aggregate) on the games between them and have 1 side having scored more. Basically if we tie on points with Poland, it comes down to the aggregate score and then GD in the group. Good points! You're right, glad someone understands it. So yeah, overall GD may become quite important. |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Jun 11, 2022 11:16:42 GMT
Ireland v Scotland should be an interesting one today. As too should Ukraine v Armenia (where is that one being played, by the way?)
Now that they are out of the WC, one should not underestimate the importance for Ukraine of topping their group in the Nations League, particularly having regard to Putin's assertions that "there is no Ukraine" and that it is just a part of greater Russia.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 11, 2022 13:27:03 GMT
Ireland v Scotland should be an interesting one today. As too should Ukraine v Armenia (where is that one being played, by the way?) Now that they are out of the WC, one should not underestimate the importance for Ukraine of topping their group in the Nations League, particularly having regard to Putin's assertions that "there is no Ukraine" and that it is just a part of greater Russia. Lodz in Poland apparently. Armenia playing very defensively in a 5-4-1 and just trying to keep it at 0-0. Armenia are one of those sides like Georgia who are much better than their rank suggests - would want to avoid them where possible in qualifying campaigns |
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Post by pendragon on Jun 11, 2022 16:32:24 GMT
My money's on Ukraine to secure promotion to League A.
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Post by pendragon on Jun 11, 2022 19:17:08 GMT
Poland 1-0 up against the Netherlands
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 11, 2022 20:01:32 GMT
2-2 now. Need Netherlands to win and knacker themselves out doing it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2022 20:04:04 GMT
sounds like a good game,hesgoal stopping me steal fottie has really messed me up,i can't afford sky premier or anything else:),bummer
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Post by pendragon on Jun 11, 2022 20:05:36 GMT
Can't you watch it on S4C?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2022 20:09:07 GMT
I mean the dutch-polish game,i would usually be having an eye on that if i could,but hey i guess i had random football for free for ages,now we are into the realms of you pay multiply subscriptions or you are buggered
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jun 11, 2022 20:12:43 GMT
I mean the dutch-polish game,i would usually be having an eye on that if i could,but hey i guess i had random football for free for ages,now we are into the realms of you pay multiply subscriptions or you are buggered Eye Pee Tea Vee. |
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