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Post by flutterdinho on Nov 22, 2021 19:42:45 GMT
I often get ahead of myself and know it's some way off but I was looking ahead to Euro 2024 and Germany this PM and the likelihood of us being second seeds when it comes to the qualifying group.
There will be ten groups in qualifying.
We're currently ranked as the 13th best side in europe, 12th if you remove germany who qualify for euro 2024 automatically. We're so very close to the top 10 (top seeds) but it feels like it will be hard work to break into that group.
Similarly, it feels like things would have to go pretty wrong for us to end up as third seeds.
The draw for the qualifying groups is 9 October 2022 meaning there's only the world cup play-offs (possible 2 matches) and nations league (6 matchdays) to effect the rankings. It looks like a lot of these games will be against teams in UEFA's top 20 teams so every match will be crucial!
Probably nothing new here for a lot of you but it's so nice to look forward to these tournaments with the prospect of a decent seeding. Long may it continue!
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Post by saints19 on Nov 22, 2021 20:03:43 GMT
I often get ahead of myself and know it's some way off but I was looking ahead to Euro 2024 and Germany this PM and the likelihood of us being second seeds when it comes to the qualifying group. There will be ten groups in qualifying. We're currently ranked as the 13th best side in europe, 12th if you remove germany who qualify for euro 2024 automatically. We're so very close to the top 10 (top seeds) but it feels like it will be hard work to break into that group. Similarly, it feels like things would have to go pretty wrong for us to end up as third seeds. The draw for the qualifying groups is 9 October 2022 meaning there's only the world cup play-offs (possible 2 matches) and nations league (6 matchdays) to effect the rankings. It looks like a lot of these games will be against teams in UEFA's top 20 teams so every match will be crucial! Probably nothing new here for a lot of you but it's so nice to look forward to these tournaments with the prospect of a decent seeding. Long may it continue! Is not the Nations League group standings the basis for seeding? It was last time so if we avoid relegation, we should be top seeds? |
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Post by flutterdinho on Nov 22, 2021 20:07:35 GMT
I often get ahead of myself and know it's some way off but I was looking ahead to Euro 2024 and Germany this PM and the likelihood of us being second seeds when it comes to the qualifying group. There will be ten groups in qualifying. We're currently ranked as the 13th best side in europe, 12th if you remove germany who qualify for euro 2024 automatically. We're so very close to the top 10 (top seeds) but it feels like it will be hard work to break into that group. Similarly, it feels like things would have to go pretty wrong for us to end up as third seeds. The draw for the qualifying groups is 9 October 2022 meaning there's only the world cup play-offs (possible 2 matches) and nations league (6 matchdays) to effect the rankings. It looks like a lot of these games will be against teams in UEFA's top 20 teams so every match will be crucial! Probably nothing new here for a lot of you but it's so nice to look forward to these tournaments with the prospect of a decent seeding. Long may it continue! Is not the Nations League group standings the basis for seeding? It was last time so if we avoid relegation, we should be top seeds? It might well be! Good to know if so! |
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 23, 2021 9:25:49 GMT
Euro 24 looking like the last 24 team tournament before expansion to 32. Which I agree with. I wonder if we end up with groups of top 3 qualifying? Also we need countries capable of hosting 32 so could there be joint bids then 30 qualifiers? Interesting to see how it’s done. Germany has 24, France had 16. Could be England or Russia 28 as we know they have the capabilities to host
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Post by vvm on Nov 23, 2021 10:58:58 GMT
Be surprised if England get to host any for a while after their handling of the 2020 final.
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 23, 2021 11:17:58 GMT
Basically, as long as we don't do anything silly, we should be good for every Euros in the future and there's a good chance that all the home nations will qualify. Downside is that qualifying for the World Cup could become tougher as so called lesser nations are improving. I say all this, there were some absolute throwback style tonkings in the qualifiers just gone.
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 23, 2021 20:20:28 GMT
I often get ahead of myself and know it's some way off but I was looking ahead to Euro 2024 and Germany this PM and the likelihood of us being second seeds when it comes to the qualifying group. There will be ten groups in qualifying. We're currently ranked as the 13th best side in europe, 12th if you remove germany who qualify for euro 2024 automatically. We're so very close to the top 10 (top seeds) but it feels like it will be hard work to break into that group. Similarly, it feels like things would have to go pretty wrong for us to end up as third seeds. The draw for the qualifying groups is 9 October 2022 meaning there's only the world cup play-offs (possible 2 matches) and nations league (6 matchdays) to effect the rankings. It looks like a lot of these games will be against teams in UEFA's top 20 teams so every match will be crucial! Probably nothing new here for a lot of you but it's so nice to look forward to these tournaments with the prospect of a decent seeding. Long may it continue! FIFA ranking is only used for the UEFA section of the World Cup qualifying draw. The four League A group winners, all four 2nd place and the best two 3rd placed teams will be Seeded Pot 1 for the Euro draw. The worst two 3rd placed teams and 4 relegated teams will be Pot 2. Of course Germany are also in there and not in qualifying, so likely the third best 3rd place will be enough for Pot 1. Not too bothered really if we are Pot 1 or 2 for these cause top two go through anyway, and it's likely we will be in the play-offs as nearly all League A will qualify automatically. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 23, 2021 22:09:49 GMT
I often get ahead of myself and know it's some way off but I was looking ahead to Euro 2024 and Germany this PM and the likelihood of us being second seeds when it comes to the qualifying group. There will be ten groups in qualifying. We're currently ranked as the 13th best side in europe, 12th if you remove germany who qualify for euro 2024 automatically. We're so very close to the top 10 (top seeds) but it feels like it will be hard work to break into that group. Similarly, it feels like things would have to go pretty wrong for us to end up as third seeds. The draw for the qualifying groups is 9 October 2022 meaning there's only the world cup play-offs (possible 2 matches) and nations league (6 matchdays) to effect the rankings. It looks like a lot of these games will be against teams in UEFA's top 20 teams so every match will be crucial! Probably nothing new here for a lot of you but it's so nice to look forward to these tournaments with the prospect of a decent seeding. Long may it continue! FIFA ranking is only used for the UEFA section of the World Cup qualifying draw. The four League A group winners, all four 2nd place and the best two 3rd placed teams will be Seeded Pot 1 for the Euro draw. The worst two 3rd placed teams and 4 relegated teams will be Pot 2. Of course Germany are also in there and not in qualifying, so likely the third best 3rd place will be enough for Pot 1. Not too bothered really if we are Pot 1 or 2 for these cause top two go through anyway, and it's likely we will be in the play-offs as nearly all League A will qualify automatically. No reason we can't aim for 3rd best 3rd placed team as a target for the Nations League though. I think it's worth fighting for, and I'd like to see us competing to win a qualifying group in the same way Denmark and Croatia have been doing in recent times. If we're 2nd seeds I still think we qualify, but being first seeds and getting an England style lucky draw would be nice for once! If we used the seedings from the 2020 draw the best case scenario would be something like; Iceland, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Gibraltar, San Marino Give me that for a place at the Euros, it would be nice to have a campaign without much stress haha |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Nov 24, 2021 2:07:09 GMT
FIFA ranking is only used for the UEFA section of the World Cup qualifying draw. The four League A group winners, all four 2nd place and the best two 3rd placed teams will be Seeded Pot 1 for the Euro draw. The worst two 3rd placed teams and 4 relegated teams will be Pot 2. Of course Germany are also in there and not in qualifying, so likely the third best 3rd place will be enough for Pot 1. Not too bothered really if we are Pot 1 or 2 for these cause top two go through anyway, and it's likely we will be in the play-offs as nearly all League A will qualify automatically. No reason we can't aim for 3rd best 3rd placed team as a target for the Nations League though. I think it's worth fighting for, and I'd like to see us competing to win a qualifying group in the same way Denmark and Croatia have been doing in recent times. If we're 2nd seeds I still think we qualify, but being first seeds and getting an England style lucky draw would be nice for once! If we used the seedings from the 2020 draw the best case scenario would be something like; Iceland, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Gibraltar, San Marino Give me that for a place at the Euros, it would be nice to have a campaign without much stress haha Yeah the "ideal" draw. We never get those. Even when we managed to get into pot 1 for a WC qualifying campaign we still got a nasty group that we could only finish 3rd in. |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 25, 2021 16:48:35 GMT
No reason we can't aim for 3rd best 3rd placed team as a target for the Nations League though. I think it's worth fighting for, and I'd like to see us competing to win a qualifying group in the same way Denmark and Croatia have been doing in recent times. If we're 2nd seeds I still think we qualify, but being first seeds and getting an England style lucky draw would be nice for once! If we used the seedings from the 2020 draw the best case scenario would be something like; Iceland, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Gibraltar, San Marino Give me that for a place at the Euros, it would be nice to have a campaign without much stress haha I don't think the qualifying format has been confirmed yet, but no doubt Nations League will have some impact on getting to the 2026 World Cup, getting relegated may help us qualify if we can then win our League B group in 2024. Personally I don't mind too much what goes on next June/September. Just hope we are competitive within the matches. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 25, 2021 17:25:13 GMT
Euro 24 looking like the last 24 team tournament before expansion to 32. Which I agree with. I wonder if we end up with groups of top 3 qualifying? Also we need countries capable of hosting 32 so could there be joint bids then 30 qualifiers? Interesting to see how it’s done. Germany has 24, France had 16. Could be England or Russia 28 as we know they have the capabilities to host A 32 team finals when there are only ~52 eligible entrants in the first place? There will be less teams left at home than competing at the finals! đŸ˜‚ Absolutely bonkers, but it will probably happen because the last consideration anyone in power has when contemplating the structure of an international finals is the prestige attached to competing in it. |
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 26, 2021 12:25:34 GMT
Euro 24 looking like the last 24 team tournament before expansion to 32. Which I agree with. I wonder if we end up with groups of top 3 qualifying? Also we need countries capable of hosting 32 so could there be joint bids then 30 qualifiers? Interesting to see how it’s done. Germany has 24, France had 16. Could be England or Russia 28 as we know they have the capabilities to host A 32 team finals when there are only ~52 eligible entrants in the first place? There will be less teams left at home than competing at the finals! đŸ˜‚ Absolutely bonkers, but it will probably happen because the last consideration anyone in power has when contemplating the structure of an international finals is the prestige attached to competing in it. I think top 16 from Nations league group A will qualify Automatically . Rest then fight it out so the big boys avoid playing Andorra etc. I like a 32 team tournament. It’s weird Rather unusually I think it adds To the quality of tournament. Over last decade there’s been tournaments were Haaland, bale, Ramsey , van dijk, ibrahimovic,, Lewandovski, pandev etc etc etc have sat at home. 32 teams stops that and gets rid of the stupid 3 teams from a group going through. Also if South America gets all of them in the Copa America and Oceania gets everyone why can’t Europe get a majority? |
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Post by insertname on Nov 26, 2021 13:31:34 GMT
A 32 team finals when there are only ~52 eligible entrants in the first place? There will be less teams left at home than competing at the finals! đŸ˜‚ Absolutely bonkers, but it will probably happen because the last consideration anyone in power has when contemplating the structure of an international finals is the prestige attached to competing in it. I think top 16 from Nations league group A will qualify Automatically . Rest then fight it out so the big boys avoid playing Andorra etc. I like a 32 team tournament. It’s weird Rather unusually I think it adds To the quality of tournament. Over last decade there’s been tournaments were Haaland, bale, Ramsey , van dijk, ibrahimovic,, Lewandovski, pandev etc etc etc have sat at home. 32 teams stops that and gets rid of the stupid 3 teams from a group going through. Also if South America gets all of them in the Copa America and Oceania gets everyone why can’t Europe get a majority? The simple answer to that is the size of the South American federation and that no-one cares enough to even have an opinion about the Oceania one because it’s full of islands like Vanuatu and New Caledonia who can barely put a team of amateurs together. The European zone has the highest concentration of quality so should really be like World Cup qualifying where the qualifiers themselves are a challenge because you are competing for a limited number of finals berths. Just saying to all the teams in nations league A that you qualify automatically would imo set a very dangerous precedent for giving them an entitlement to qualification that could be hard to row back from. They already act like they are too big to ever play the likes of San Marino. They should have to qualify like everyone else. The 24 team Euros is too much imo, 24 teams qualify in order to knock out 6 at the first round stage. Pretty bizarre. But to have less teams at home than at the official finals would be ludicrous and potentially damaging to the brand. How can anyone take a tournament from the highest quality and highest profile confederation but where less teams fail to qualify seriously? It’s already struggling in terms of public perception since the expansion to 24 teams. The quality of the tournament was good in 2021 but there was the same old criticism as per the 2016 tournament that there are too many games needed to knock teams out. I must admit I don’t know what the answer to the 24 team format issue is….but it surely can’t be to extend to 32 teams. |
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Post by rioonamazy on Nov 26, 2021 17:07:40 GMT
Problem is half the team won't be around and the replacements cannot fill bale . Ramsey .davies boots.
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Post by saints19 on Nov 26, 2021 17:41:54 GMT
A 32 team finals when there are only ~52 eligible entrants in the first place? There will be less teams left at home than competing at the finals! đŸ˜‚ Absolutely bonkers, but it will probably happen because the last consideration anyone in power has when contemplating the structure of an international finals is the prestige attached to competing in it. I think top 16 from Nations league group A will qualify Automatically . Rest then fight it out so the big boys avoid playing Andorra etc. I like a 32 team tournament. It’s weird Rather unusually I think it adds To the quality of tournament. Over last decade there’s been tournaments were Haaland, bale, Ramsey , van dijk, ibrahimovic,, Lewandovski, pandev etc etc etc have sat at home. 32 teams stops that and gets rid of the stupid 3 teams from a group going through. Also if South America gets all of them in the Copa America and Oceania gets everyone why can’t Europe get a majority? 32 team tournament is a terrible idea IMO and the idea of the "top" nations qualifying automatically is even worse. Don't fix what isn't broken. |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 26, 2021 18:04:31 GMT
Problem is half the team won't be around and the replacements cannot fill bale . Ramsey .davies boots. Ramsey will only be 33 at EURO 2024, let alone qualifying. Bale will be just shy of 35. Davies 31. No reason they all can't play in the finals, it's only 2.5 years away. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 26, 2021 18:49:40 GMT
Problem is half the team won't be around and the replacements cannot fill bale . Ramsey .davies boots. Ramsey will only be 33 at EURO 2024, let alone qualifying. Bale will be just shy of 35. Davies 31. No reason they all can't play in the finals, it's only 2.5 years away. I'd be shocked if Bale is still around by then tbf Ramsey and Davies should be though (Davies definitely) |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 26, 2021 19:37:15 GMT
Ramsey will only be 33 at EURO 2024, let alone qualifying. Bale will be just shy of 35. Davies 31. No reason they all can't play in the finals, it's only 2.5 years away. I'd be shocked if Bale is still around by then tbf Ramsey and Davies should be though (Davies definitely) I think Gareth will want to go out with a bang, he prob has it in his head that is a target to aim at. |
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Post by saints19 on Nov 26, 2021 19:48:32 GMT
Does Bale have another campaign in him? 35 is quite old for a footballer these days since if they're a top player they're playing full time from about 16. Remember how Michael Owen fell off a cliff after about age 28?
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 26, 2021 19:50:19 GMT
Does Bale have another campaign in him? 35 is quite old for a footballer these days since if they're a top player they're playing full time from about 16. Remember how Michael Owen fell off a cliff after about age 28? EURO 2024 final he will still be 34. Yes he could retire by then, but he could go on. I don't think it's beyond to think he will still be available. Only 2 more seasons after this one. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 26, 2021 22:50:31 GMT
Does Bale have another campaign in him? 35 is quite old for a footballer these days since if they're a top player they're playing full time from about 16. Remember how Michael Owen fell off a cliff after about age 28? EURO 2024 final he will still be 34. Yes he could retire by then, but he could go on. I don't think it's beyond to think he will still be available. Only 2 more seasons after this one. If we make the World Cup I don't see him sticking around. What's left for him in football after that? Even if we don't make it, I can't see him sticking around until 2026, so either way I think he'll be finishing on e this 2022 campaign is concluded. If we don't make it I think he will retire at the end of the season |
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Post by morg on Nov 27, 2021 8:00:08 GMT
EURO 2024 final he will still be 34. Yes he could retire by then, but he could go on. I don't think it's beyond to think he will still be available. Only 2 more seasons after this one. If we make the World Cup I don't see him sticking around. What's left for him in football after that? Even if we don't make it, I can't see him sticking around until 2026, so either way I think he'll be finishing on e this 2022 campaign is concluded. If we don't make it I think he will retire at the end of the season Madrid contract ends this summer? Could well retire from football altogether at that point? One more payday in Middle East or China? If so, he'll carry on for us I reckon. Think he can still do a creative mid job for us for a while. We've got others to do his running for him now. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 27, 2021 8:06:58 GMT
I think Euro 2024 will be Bale's last tournament for us. I think he will wind down his career after 2022, and potentially move to the MLS but he'll still be available for Wales all be it probably playing less minutes.
Ben Davies should be at his peak, captaining us. I think Ramsey should be there as well, possibly his last tournament as well though. Considering where we were when these players started, another tournament in which we'd have a great chance to qualify is still quite a big thing to turn down even if they've been to two other Euros.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 27, 2021 17:46:23 GMT
If we make the World Cup I don't see him sticking around. What's left for him in football after that? Even if we don't make it, I can't see him sticking around until 2026, so either way I think he'll be finishing on e this 2022 campaign is concluded. If we don't make it I think he will retire at the end of the season Madrid contract ends this summer? Could well retire from football altogether at that point? One more payday in Middle East or China? If so, he'll carry on for us I reckon. Think he can still do a creative mid job for us for a while. We've got others to do his running for him now. Yeah short stint someone for a pay day and keep his fitness til Christmas, and then hopefully play in a World Cup and retire would be my guess |
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Post by toshfan on Jun 17, 2022 12:56:26 GMT
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Post by morg on Jun 17, 2022 13:09:25 GMT
Nice to see that Greece have qualified for a play off already!
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Post by daearegwr on Jun 17, 2022 13:17:23 GMT
I read that Wales were 99.9% guaranteed a play-off spot for Euro 2024 already -
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 17, 2022 13:29:13 GMT
We simply have to qualify for Germany 2024...it will be incredible
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 17, 2022 21:52:32 GMT
We simply have to qualify for Germany 2024...it will be incredible Will go for sure - hoping it"s my first ever tournament! |
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 17, 2022 22:15:18 GMT
Three tournaments qualified for in a row would put us in a very good position going into WC2026 qualifying.
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