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Post by bringbackelmo on Sept 26, 2022 15:40:16 GMT
Kazakhstan doesn't even come close to having the infrastructure to do it, and wouldn't be able to afford to pull it together like Qatar (or even Azerbaijan).
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 26, 2022 22:04:53 GMT
Slovakia have fallen into pot 5 tonight. A must avoid from that pot!
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Post by pclaude on Sept 27, 2022 9:12:26 GMT
Some tough sides in all the pots. With the expanded Euros I thought we'd be near guaranteed a spot for the next couple of tournaments but looking at some of the pots I'm not so sure, some potentially very tricky ties in there. Must be a fairly high chance of a play off place if I'm understanding it right. It would take 4 teams above us in league A not to qualify directly for us not to get a place in the play offs. Although with some of those teams in pot 2 and 3 they could be tricky in themselves. And a play off against some poorer quality teams. Being in group A is a huge bonus when they precede the euros. |
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Post by Dubai Reds on Sept 27, 2022 9:34:40 GMT
Must be a fairly high chance of a play off place if I'm understanding it right. It would take 4 teams above us in league A not to qualify directly for us not to get a place in the play offs. Although with some of those teams in pot 2 and 3 they could be tricky in themselves. And a play off against some poorer quality teams. Being in group A is a huge bonus when they precede the euros. True, however, we are bottom of League A, so 12 of the teams in the League need to qualify directly for us to get a playoff place. In saying that, all of League A should qualify as the top 2, with most of League B. The only exception last time was Iceland who played the next eligible teams, which were from League C, which were 2nd/3rd placed teams in that League. They still missed out |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 27, 2022 9:52:09 GMT
Let’s not worry about the play-offs through the nations league, worry about finishing top two in the group.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 27, 2022 11:46:04 GMT
Let’s not worry about the play-offs through the nations league, worry about finishing top two in the group. Unless we get Sweden and Netherlands. No point competing if they're in our group. |
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Post by superunknown on Sept 27, 2022 14:13:48 GMT
I'll get my away day locations/stadium sizes post up after today's results if people get use out of it, I personally enjoy looking at the possibilities.
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Post by iot on Sept 27, 2022 14:27:16 GMT
I hope we bring in some new faces for the 2024 qualifiers, and I hope we don't constrain ourselves to 5 at the back, which evidently hasn't worked every single time this campaign. Personally think it's been playing a front 3, than 5 at the back, that's been the issue. If we do go with a back 4, we lose a brilliant LCB in Davies for a fairly mediocre LB, and a very good wing back in Neco to a not nearly as effective RB |
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Post by insertname on Sept 27, 2022 19:40:48 GMT
And a play off against some poorer quality teams. Being in group A is a huge bonus when they precede the euros. True, however, we are bottom of League A, so 12 of the teams in the League need to qualify directly for us to get a playoff place. In saying that, all of League A should qualify as the top 2, with most of League B. The only exception last time was Iceland who played the next eligible teams, which were from League C, which were 2nd/3rd placed teams in that League. They still missed out We finished bottom of the composite league?! Again, feels a bit unjust given that we were competitive even with having to play a scratch team on occasion, but materially we only got one point so…🤷♂️ Surprised nobody finished with 0 points I guess |
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 27, 2022 20:49:39 GMT
Confirmed pots for Euro 2024 qualifiers:
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Post by dai on Sept 27, 2022 21:12:32 GMT
Whats the british flag in pot 5??
What I'd like:
Poland (revenge)
Wales
Armenia
Faroe Islands
Gibraltar
What we'll probably get:
Italy
Wales
Sweden
North Macedonia
Slovakia
Also a 6th team
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Post by underwood on Sept 27, 2022 21:27:09 GMT
Given most England fans total indifference towards the Nations League & its consequences, it is high time that they got an absolute stinker of a draw to contend with, battling it out with a better than average Pot C team for second place.
I type this knowing full well it will end up being us that’s trying to keep Haaland away from scoring a 1st Half hat-trick.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 27, 2022 21:31:34 GMT
Best draw; Hungary, Cymru, Armenia, Faroe Islands, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein Worst draw; Belgium, Cymru, Norway, Turkey, Slovakia Edit*** just seen we actually can't draw Belgium because we've played each other too many times. I had no idea this was a rule! |
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Post by underwood on Sept 27, 2022 21:31:48 GMT
Best draw; Hungary, Cymru, Armenia, Faroe Islands, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein Worst draw; Belgium, Cymru, Norway, Turkey, Slovakia The worst draw from Pot A is the Netherlands - end of story. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 27, 2022 21:33:37 GMT
De Bruyne has said we’ve played them too much so that should be enough to avoid the Belgians again. What Kevin wants Kevin gets.
That’s a joke btw, like that wiki entry
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 27, 2022 21:51:11 GMT
Best draw; Hungary, Cymru, Armenia, Faroe Islands, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein Worst draw; Belgium, Cymru, Norway, Turkey, Slovakia The worst draw from Pot A is the Netherlands - end of story. Unlike a few other League A teams I think they're a few injuries away from being beatable personally |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 27, 2022 21:53:30 GMT
Tbf looking at it I'd say there is almost as good of a chance of getting a tricky draw as a Pot 1 team, as there is of being a pot 2 team. Hungary could draw France & Norway and then they'd be cursing it, or they could draw England & Sweden. It's quite a wide open draw & I think there will be a couple of groups of death
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Post by dlwilliams on Sept 27, 2022 22:01:30 GMT
As ever with these draws, it'll be somewhere in between a best-case and worst-case scenario.
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 27, 2022 22:44:00 GMT
If we can avoid Slovakia in pot 5 and Sweden/Norway from pot 3 then we should be fine
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Post by bale-droed on Sept 28, 2022 2:51:59 GMT
Confirmed pots for Euro 2024 qualifiers: Poland Wales Iceland Faroe Islands Lithuania Liechtenstein We deserve it But it’ll be Belgium Wales Norway Turkey Norther Ireland |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Sept 28, 2022 6:46:41 GMT
Best draw; Hungary, Cymru, Armenia, Faroe Islands, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein Worst draw; Belgium, Cymru, Norway, Turkey, Slovakia Edit*** just seen we actually can't draw Belgium because we've played each other too many times. I had no idea this was a rule! Lol. I was thinking about the "familiar teams" draw, which would be terrible for us. Belgium, Rep of Ireland, Georgia, Slovakia  |
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Post by Dubai Reds on Sept 28, 2022 7:22:32 GMT
I've had a look at the pots and there are some nightmare groups there. BEST CASEPOT 1: HUN SWI POT 2: WAL POT 3: ALB ARM POT 4: LUX FRO POT 5: MAL GIB ![]() WORST CASEPOT 1: NED BEL SPA ITA POT 2: WAL POT 3: UKR NOR SWE IRE POT 4: GRE TUR MAC KOS POT 5: SLO NI BLR LIT MIDDLE CASEPOT 1: CRO DEN POR POL POT 2: WAL POT 3: SLN ICE ROM MON POT 4: KAZ BUL GEO AZE POT 5: CYP EST LAT MOL  ![]() ![]() |
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Post by quetzal on Sept 28, 2022 7:51:28 GMT
Given most England fans total indifference towards the Nations League & its consequences, it is high time that they got an absolute stinker of a draw to contend with, battling it out with a better than average Pot C team for second place. I type this knowing full well it will end up being us that’s trying to keep Haaland away from scoring a 1st Half hat-trick. The glorified friendly tag in England with the Nations League is very strong. Souness on talkshite was banging on about them being glorified friendlies the other day. I think for the big teams fair enough. It’s proven for the smaller nations a huge success. Look at Scotland. Got to the last Euros off the back of the NL |
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Post by ffagotsaphys on Sept 28, 2022 9:32:29 GMT
Given most England fans total indifference towards the Nations League & its consequences, it is high time that they got an absolute stinker of a draw to contend with, battling it out with a better than average Pot C team for second place. I type this knowing full well it will end up being us that’s trying to keep Haaland away from scoring a 1st Half hat-trick. The glorified friendly tag in England with the Nations League is very strong. Souness on talkshite was banging on about them being glorified friendlies the other day. I think for the big teams fair enough. It’s proven for the smaller nations a huge success. Look at Scotland. Got to the last Euros off the back of the NL I think some of the so called 'big teams' are picking and choosing their times when they consider the Nations to be 'glorified friendlies'. I can remember England being serious enough about wanting to win it when they reached the finals previously and France also when they won it. Ridiculous of some to even compare the tournament to friendly internationals which were/are horrific to watch and unless Wales are playing a major nation of no particular interest to the majority of the match going support. Wales v Poland last Sunday for instance against something like Wales v Switzerland in a game where there would be at least big number of changes from the starting XIs? It's a new tournament, not as important as the World Cup or European Championships but its a lot more palatable than the nonsense of a friendly international. |
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Post by welshrover on Sept 28, 2022 9:42:48 GMT
I like the Nation's League and have now given up trying to educate the "meaningless friendlies" people.
If that is what they want to think then so be it. Perhaps if pot 2 England get a harder Euro 2024 draw and struggle a bit it may change a few perceptions.
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Post by cadno on Sept 28, 2022 9:47:20 GMT
Portugal, (Cymru), Romania, Faroes, Estonia, San Marino... Plis
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Post by underwood on Sept 28, 2022 9:56:01 GMT
More to the point though, the Nations League has a direct impact on ranking & seeding for the major tournaments. If you do well in it you are rewarded, if you don’t you are punished. There is no hiding place, it’s a reflection of how good you are against similarly ranked nations.
It is a much fairer system of seeding than previously, as there was little fluidity, with the status quo being retained at nearly all levels, it would have previously taken a Herculean effort to break into the top seeds, now it is genuinely achievable if you can beat your peers.
England should dismiss it at their peril, as for the first time in decades, in the Euro draw they’re likely going to be paired with a nation that is better than them & potentially another that could take 4 points off them. That could lead to a third place finish & a Play-Off lottery, all because their approach to the Nations League has been pretty unprofessional. None of this will happen of course as their genuine fortune at draws knows no bounds.
However the bottom line is that the Nations League is a great concept & head & shoulders the best thing that UEFA have ever come up with. With the pressure to limit the amount of games in the Global Football Calendar, it will probably replace qualifiers one day too.
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Post by cymro on Sept 28, 2022 10:24:05 GMT
The glorified friendly tag in England with the Nations League is very strong. Souness on talkshite was banging on about them being glorified friendlies the other day. I think for the big teams fair enough. It’s proven for the smaller nations a huge success. Look at Scotland. Got to the last Euros off the back of the NL I think some of the so called 'big teams' are picking and choosing their times when they consider the Nations to be 'glorified friendlies'. I can remember England being serious enough about wanting to win it when they reached the finals previously and France also when they won it. Ridiculous of some to even compare the tournament to friendly internationals which were/are horrific to watch and unless Wales are playing a major nation of no particular interest to the majority of the match going support. Wales v Poland last Sunday for instance against something like Wales v Switzerland in a game where there would be at least big number of changes from the starting XIs? It's a new tournament, not as important as the World Cup or European Championships but its a lot more palatable than the nonsense of a friendly international. Despite some unsavoury scenes at times, the Poland game on Sunday had a big game feel to it. Never would have had that with friendlies. True enough, I remember England harping on when they beat Germany away in the first Nations League. Now they are just "glorified friendlies." Of course they are. |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 28, 2022 13:42:22 GMT
I think some of the so called 'big teams' are picking and choosing their times when they consider the Nations to be 'glorified friendlies'. I can remember England being serious enough about wanting to win it when they reached the finals previously and France also when they won it. Ridiculous of some to even compare the tournament to friendly internationals which were/are horrific to watch and unless Wales are playing a major nation of no particular interest to the majority of the match going support. Wales v Poland last Sunday for instance against something like Wales v Switzerland in a game where there would be at least big number of changes from the starting XIs? It's a new tournament, not as important as the World Cup or European Championships but its a lot more palatable than the nonsense of a friendly international. Despite some unsavoury scenes at times, the Poland game on Sunday had a big game feel to it. Never would have had that with friendlies. True enough, I remember England harping on when they beat Germany away in the first Nations League. Now they are just "glorified friendlies." Of course they are. As I said to my dad, 31,500 wouldn’t have been there for a friendly paying £30 minimum. Much better and hard to think of a time before it was introduced. |
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Post by quetzal on Sept 28, 2022 17:17:22 GMT
We are seeing the Nations League through MASSIVE dragon tinted goggles though. If you’re a Prem league fanboy and England are a massive 2nd to your club then the NL is a distraction
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