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Post by selsigdeganwy on Jan 7, 2022 16:24:30 GMT
01/05/2022 at 19:21 CET
The United Kingdom and Ireland are planning a joint bid to organize Euro 2028, which would reject their intention to host the 2030 World Cup, according to the British newspaper ‘The Times’.
The newspaper notes that senior international football officials have advised the United Kingdom and Ireland that appearing for the World Cup would be a very risky option and that they would have many more chances of success with the continental tournament.
England already has the experience of having been the main venue of the Eurocup held in 2021, with several games in the group stage, round of 16, as well as the semi-finals and the final, but their bid for the World Cup was damaged by the incidents of the title match.
The England-Italy preview at Wembley turned into a macro bottle in which hundreds of people managed to sneak into the enclosure due to poor organization by stadium security. This led to a high financial fine from UEFA as well as a sanction to play two games behind closed doors (if the events are not repeated, England will only serve one).
Although the British bodies have denied that this had an impact on their options to host a World Cup again after 1966, the truth is that there are fears that this, together with FIFA’s policy of organizing a World Cup every two years and take it to new territories, provokes another rejected candidacy, like the one in 2018, when the World Cup went to Russia.
The deadline for submitting applications is until March 2022 and the designation of the hosts will take place in September 2023.
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Post by cynonvalley on Jan 7, 2022 16:33:27 GMT
Why not just Wales-ROI-NI-Scotland?  |
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 7, 2022 18:33:07 GMT
Why not just Wales-ROI-NI-Scotland? I was thinking similar. I know all countries would have trouble with crowds but when we join them our chances will be effected by that unfortunately. Although I hated this Euros it could open up options. If Wales and Scotland hosted alone and the group stages are in France, Germany, where ever and we just host the knockout rounds. |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Jan 7, 2022 22:00:21 GMT
Dim diolch. No chance would UEFA allow us to qualify automatically as hosts. We’d only get a couple of matches in the Millenium. As with the last Euros, it’ll be England-centric (Wembley most likely).
Not worth selling our independent identity for.
Case in point would be the ‘England 2015 Rugby World Cup’ where the Millenium was used. I should hope the FAW steer clear of the bootlicking ideals of the WRU.
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Post by georgetm1 on Jan 7, 2022 22:32:48 GMT
Not with the English after their fans behaviour last Euros. With them in the bid, its as good as dead.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 8, 2022 11:09:34 GMT
Why not just Wales-ROI-NI-Scotland? We don't have enough stadium between us to meet the criteria unfortunately I do wonder whether FIFA is heavily going to favour the South American bid lead by Uruguay & Argentina anyway. It makes a lot of sense given it's the centenary of the first one in 1930, to give it to the same country(ies) A UK wide Euros could be good in theory, however I feel it would be heavily Anglocentric as most things are. In an ideal world Wembley would only get a semi and final, but we all know Wembley would be used more than that. There's so many large stadiums in England they really should be sharing games around more, the north east of England and north west could hold many games alone, and the Midlands. There's a good chance Scotland would be able to use 3 stadiums, we'd get to use the City stadium & Millennium, then the island of Ireland would probably get 2 maybe 3 if they were to use one of the Gaelic football stadiums as well as the Aviva & Windsor Park |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 8, 2022 11:18:55 GMT
Why not just Wales-ROI-NI-Scotland? We don't have enough stadium between us to meet the criteria unfortunately I do wonder whether FIFA is heavily going to favour the South American bid lead by Uruguay & Argentina anyway. It makes a lot of sense given it's the centenary of the first one in 1930, to give it to the same country(ies) A UK wide Euros could be good in theory, however I feel it would be heavily Anglocentric as most things are. In an ideal world Wembley would only get a semi and final, but we all know Wembley would be used more than that. There's so many large stadiums in England they really should be sharing games around more, the north east of England and north west could hold many games alone, and the Midlands. There's a good chance Scotland would be able to use 3 stadiums, we'd get to use the City stadium & Millennium, then the island of Ireland would probably get 2 maybe 3 if they were to use one of the Gaelic football stadiums as well as the Aviva & Windsor Park Is Windsor Park big enough? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 8, 2022 12:33:31 GMT
We don't have enough stadium between us to meet the criteria unfortunately I do wonder whether FIFA is heavily going to favour the South American bid lead by Uruguay & Argentina anyway. It makes a lot of sense given it's the centenary of the first one in 1930, to give it to the same country(ies) A UK wide Euros could be good in theory, however I feel it would be heavily Anglocentric as most things are. In an ideal world Wembley would only get a semi and final, but we all know Wembley would be used more than that. There's so many large stadiums in England they really should be sharing games around more, the north east of England and north west could hold many games alone, and the Midlands. There's a good chance Scotland would be able to use 3 stadiums, we'd get to use the City stadium & Millennium, then the island of Ireland would probably get 2 maybe 3 if they were to use one of the Gaelic football stadiums as well as the Aviva & Windsor Park Is Windsor Park big enough? I remember reading something before about you can have a smaller stadium (under 25k) for cultural reasons I believe. I'm sure Windsor Park was in the plans for the proposed WC bid, but I believe you'd only be allowed to host group games there |
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 8, 2022 12:34:30 GMT
It'll probably end up like HS2 where we all pay in for a token gesture. Don't know why England want to join us though, they're more than capable without us. Trying to guarantee votes probably.
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Post by cynonvalley on Jan 8, 2022 14:16:07 GMT
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 8, 2022 15:27:46 GMT
/photo/1  That seems to happen all the time in FM and you end up with 50,000 seater stadiums in Llanelli |
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 8, 2022 16:36:28 GMT
Why not just Wales-ROI-NI-Scotland? We don't have enough stadium between us to meet the criteria unfortunately I do wonder whether FIFA is heavily going to favour the South American bid lead by Uruguay & Argentina anyway. It makes a lot of sense given it's the centenary of the first one in 1930, to give it to the same country(ies) A UK wide Euros could be good in theory, however I feel it would be heavily Anglocentric as most things are. In an ideal world Wembley would only get a semi and final, but we all know Wembley would be used more than that. There's so many large stadiums in England they really should be sharing games around more, the north east of England and north west could hold many games alone, and the Midlands. There's a good chance Scotland would be able to use 3 stadiums, we'd get to use the City stadium & Millennium, then the island of Ireland would probably get 2 maybe 3 if they were to use one of the Gaelic football stadiums as well as the Aviva & Windsor Park After the trouble with the Euro final at Wembley, if the bid is successful, then Cardiff should host the final. It hosted the Champions League final with no issues. The FA had their chance. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 8, 2022 17:13:18 GMT
We don't have enough stadium between us to meet the criteria unfortunately I do wonder whether FIFA is heavily going to favour the South American bid lead by Uruguay & Argentina anyway. It makes a lot of sense given it's the centenary of the first one in 1930, to give it to the same country(ies) A UK wide Euros could be good in theory, however I feel it would be heavily Anglocentric as most things are. In an ideal world Wembley would only get a semi and final, but we all know Wembley would be used more than that. There's so many large stadiums in England they really should be sharing games around more, the north east of England and north west could hold many games alone, and the Midlands. There's a good chance Scotland would be able to use 3 stadiums, we'd get to use the City stadium & Millennium, then the island of Ireland would probably get 2 maybe 3 if they were to use one of the Gaelic football stadiums as well as the Aviva & Windsor Park After the trouble with the Euro final at Wembley, if the bid is successful, then Cardiff should host the final. It hosted the Champions League final with no issues. The FA had their chance. Too much logic in this argument to stand the test of an English mindset |
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 8, 2022 20:50:12 GMT
It'll probably end up like HS2 where we all pay in for a token gesture. Don't know why England want to join us though, they're more than capable without us. Trying to guarantee votes probably. I dunno if England could actually host it on their own to be honest. Yes they have all the stadiums with big capacities, but what is different about England to most others countries is a lot of the stadiums are in the same cities/regions. English stadiums with over 45k capacity in 2028 - London x5 (Spurs, West Ham, Arsenal, Wembley, Twickenham) North East x2 Manchester x2 Liverpool x2 (Everton's new stadium will hold 53k) I don't think there are any other new builds with the definite go ahead. Outside of this, Villa Park is the biggest at 42k. Most stadia in 2016 was at least 45k. There needs to be at least 7 stadiums with a capacity of over 40k. Realistically of out of the list, if the two stadiums per city rule is kept in line, you'd use Wembley and probably London Stadium, St James' Park, the Etihad and Everton's ground. Can't see how they would justify using two stadiums in Manchester and Liverpool as other areas would feel they are missing out. So they'd be short by one even if they included Villa Park. Yes they wanted the 2018 World Cup only in England, but there were, in my mind, crazy proposals to increase capacities of the likes of Ashton Gate and Home Park to 40k. These stadiums have since had improvements and with the current financial situation I don't think it would be the time to redevelop stadia for a max 5 games. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 9, 2022 20:01:57 GMT
It'll probably end up like HS2 where we all pay in for a token gesture. Don't know why England want to join us though, they're more than capable without us. Trying to guarantee votes probably. I dunno if England could actually host it on their own to be honest. Yes they have all the stadiums with big capacities, but what is different about England to most others countries is a lot of the stadiums are in the same cities/regions. English stadiums with over 45k capacity in 2028 - London x5 (Spurs, West Ham, Arsenal, Wembley, Twickenham) North East x2 Manchester x2 Liverpool x2 (Everton's new stadium will hold 53k) I don't think there are any other new builds with the definite go ahead. Outside of this, Villa Park is the biggest at 42k. Most stadia in 2016 was at least 45k. There needs to be at least 7 stadiums with a capacity of over 40k. Realistically of out of the list, if the two stadiums per city rule is kept in line, you'd use Wembley and probably London Stadium, St James' Park, the Etihad and Everton's ground. Can't see how they would justify using two stadiums in Manchester and Liverpool as other areas would feel they are missing out. So they'd be short by one even if they included Villa Park. Yes they wanted the 2018 World Cup only in England, but there were, in my mind, crazy proposals to increase capacities of the likes of Ashton Gate and Home Park to 40k. These stadiums have since had improvements and with the current financial situation I don't think it would be the time to redevelop stadia for a max 5 games. Could they be temporarily increased? I mean I went to Old Trafford and you can't even sit with your legs in front of you, they have to be on the side. I've never heard of the 2 stadiums per city rule. Just thought England might as in terms of structure and facilities they must be second only to USA in the world. |
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 10, 2022 19:22:34 GMT
I dunno if England could actually host it on their own to be honest. Yes they have all the stadiums with big capacities, but what is different about England to most others countries is a lot of the stadiums are in the same cities/regions. English stadiums with over 45k capacity in 2028 - London x5 (Spurs, West Ham, Arsenal, Wembley, Twickenham) North East x2 Manchester x2 Liverpool x2 (Everton's new stadium will hold 53k) I don't think there are any other new builds with the definite go ahead. Outside of this, Villa Park is the biggest at 42k. Most stadia in 2016 was at least 45k. There needs to be at least 7 stadiums with a capacity of over 40k. Realistically of out of the list, if the two stadiums per city rule is kept in line, you'd use Wembley and probably London Stadium, St James' Park, the Etihad and Everton's ground. Can't see how they would justify using two stadiums in Manchester and Liverpool as other areas would feel they are missing out. So they'd be short by one even if they included Villa Park. Yes they wanted the 2018 World Cup only in England, but there were, in my mind, crazy proposals to increase capacities of the likes of Ashton Gate and Home Park to 40k. These stadiums have since had improvements and with the current financial situation I don't think it would be the time to redevelop stadia for a max 5 games. Could they be temporarily increased? I mean I went to Old Trafford and you can't even sit with your legs in front of you, they have to be on the side. I've never heard of the 2 stadiums per city rule. Just thought England might as in terms of structure and facilities they must be second only to USA in the world. There's a rule for the World Cup that you can only use 2 stadiums in one city and the rest can only be 1. Not sure if it applies to the euros but would imagine so. Old Trafford, other than it's size is pretty poor, like you said not much leg room (how it holds so many I guess!). The media facilities there are ancient its been said by several who work in that sector, unlikely they would get to host any games there. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 10, 2022 20:15:11 GMT
I wonder how many of the English stadiums I could get to quicker than I can get to Cardiff.
I went to the RWC match between Wales v Fiji in 2015. The area I was sat in were riddled with Saes, who seemed to be rather aggrieved by the passion we were displaying (which was nothing more than chanting and singing the national anthem). Not a fantastic experience.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Feb 7, 2022 10:24:19 GMT
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Post by georgetm1 on Feb 7, 2022 10:53:53 GMT
No doubt this will be used as an excuse by the britnats to call for a Team GB. This is why I don't support this bid. If England and their toxicity weren't involved then great, but people haven't forgotten last summer and this bid is basically dead in the water because of them.
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 7, 2022 12:09:55 GMT
No doubt this will be used as an excuse by the britnats to call for a Team GB. This is why I don't support this bid. If England and their toxicity weren't involved then great, but people haven't forgotten last summer and this bid is basically dead in the water because of them. I agree the shambles of Wembley would cast doubt. It’s a shame the planned 2023 UCL final at Wembley has been postponed to 2024, as had that gone ahead before the September 2023 announcement this 2028 bid would have been better equipped. The 2028 final should not be played at Wembley but we all know money talks. |
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Post by superunknown on Feb 7, 2022 12:14:36 GMT
Pretty indifferent about a UK/Ireland bid tbh. Would be fine if we qualified but would much rather a jaunt around Scandanavia or the Balkans or even exploring a bit more of Turkey. UK/Ireland bid is just a bit meh.
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Post by bale-droed on Feb 7, 2022 12:33:18 GMT
At the end of the day a Russia bid makes sense. They have all the infrastructure and stadiums required from the World Cup and it’s in 1 country only. Give it to them.
Failing that Italy
3rd choice the Spain/Portugal bid
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Post by insertname on Feb 7, 2022 14:04:05 GMT
Six host nations- it’s almost beyond parody. Let’s get the Isle of Man and Guernsey involved too, the more the merrier. Build a 50,000 all seater in the British Virgin Islands that can host Slovakia v Montenegro in the round of 16. Lovely jubbly.
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Post by manulike on Feb 7, 2022 15:06:29 GMT
As long as its not Azerbaijan hosting it ... I'll be happy just about in any one country
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Post by cynonvalley on Feb 7, 2022 20:55:10 GMT
This will fail. A large part because of England's involvement and too many countries.
Wales-Scotland-Ireland could work.
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Post by insertname on Feb 7, 2022 22:40:07 GMT
This will fail. A large part because of England's involvement and too many countries. Wales-Scotland-Ireland could work. That’s a lot better, although for me I think Wales, Scotland and England has better “symmetry” though. Either way, I’m always under-whelmed when the prospect of an England/Britain tournament comes up. The attraction of a tournament for me is that it’s not on the door-step, even better if it’s far flung with a somewhat alien culture (eg Russia). Qualifying just to not leave your shores takes something away imo. |
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Post by locker14 on Feb 7, 2022 22:55:48 GMT
Wasn't it announced recently that UEFA are scrapping the automatic qualifications for host nations on joint bids?
Makes sense really. It would be absurd if 4 home nations plus Ireland qualify as hosts if they get 2028 finals.
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Post by insertname on Feb 7, 2022 22:59:20 GMT
Wasn't it announced recently that UEFA are scrapping the automatic qualifications for host nations on joint bids? Makes sense really. It would be absurd if 4 home nations plus Ireland qualify as hosts if they get 2028 finals. Even if it’s not official policy yet it would surely have to become policy. A 5 nation host with automatic qualification would be lunacy. But it can’t be very inspiring to grind through a qualifying campaign just to stay at home at the end of it. I’ve never seen the attraction in being a host. |
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 7, 2022 23:17:12 GMT
This will fail. A large part because of England's involvement and too many countries. Wales-Scotland-Ireland could work. That’s a lot better, although for me I think Wales, Scotland and England has better “symmetry” though. Either way, I’m always under-whelmed when the prospect of an England/Britain tournament comes up. The attraction of a tournament for me is that it’s not on the door-step, even better if it’s far flung with a somewhat alien culture (eg Russia). Qualifying just to not leave your shores takes something away imo. We never qualified for anything for 58 years. We can’t moan. Plus if we qualify regularly now then a cheaper tournament once in a while would be ideal. |
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 7, 2022 23:18:09 GMT
Wasn't it announced recently that UEFA are scrapping the automatic qualifications for host nations on joint bids? Makes sense really. It would be absurd if 4 home nations plus Ireland qualify as hosts if they get 2028 finals. Seems 2028 will be 32 teams anyway so 60% of UEFA teams |
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