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Post by zakbaby on Feb 8, 2022 1:29:45 GMT
Love the line "hundreds of people managed to sneak in"
Sneak in? It was a full blown riot ha ha
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Post by texan on Feb 8, 2022 10:10:49 GMT
There's a rule for the World Cup that you can only use 2 stadiums in one city and the rest can only be 1. Not sure if it applies to the euros but would imagine so. Old Trafford, other than it's size is pretty poor, like you said not much leg room (how it holds so many I guess!). The media facilities there are ancient its been said by several who work in that sector, unlikely they would get to host any games there. The bid requirements for 2028 aren't released until March, however the stadium requirements for 2024 are: 1 stadium with 60,000 seats 1 stadium (preferably 2) with 50,000 seats 4 stadiums with 40,000 seats 3 stadiums with 30,000 seats There are no restrictions from what I can see regarding stadiums per city in the Euros, however what IS there is an explanation of footprint which is much, much larger than normal: "UEFA EURO Stadiums have a much bigger footprint than a stadium which is used for regular league games,
European club competition or international matches. The Stadium needs to accommodate and facilitate
additional needs of media and broadcast operations, hospitality and commercial activities as well as
logistics and transport undertakings."You therefore need to factor in the many thousands of extra fans from both sides flooding into a city, how they would get there, where they will all stay and how they will affect and choke daily life there, the shops, the bars, the traffic and how all this would be policed for a month! Then of course if you have a couple of large stadiums in close proximity hosting you can easily double the impact of the above. As a result places like Liverpool/Manchester/Cardiff would absolutely be restricted to using only one stadium each. There are additional requirements for 2024 as well including viewing angles for fans, minimum seat distances for leg-room etc. Taking into account all of the red-tape that needs to be traversed I'd think England would certainly struggle to host alone, even if many stadiums do meet capacity requirements, the surrounding facilities do not. Many would need substantial investment internally to host whilst others simply would not be suitable due to surrounding transport/capacity/footprint capabilities. As I said, 2028 reqs are yet to be finalised but I can't imagine they'd be any less strict than the above...it's never going to go down is it! More than probable they'll be slightly tweaked and even stricter again, possibly with the increased capacity regs that JBT mentioned above if the tournament does indeed expand. |
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Post by bringbackelmo on Feb 8, 2022 14:49:49 GMT
BBC are reporting that the Principality is the only Welsh stadium under consideration for the bid.
Not massively surprising but hard to think this isn't an England bid with a token couple of games for the other nations.
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Post by daearegwr on Feb 8, 2022 15:12:21 GMT
BBC are reporting that the Principality is the only Welsh stadium under consideration for the bid. Not massively surprising but hard to think this isn't an England bid with a token couple of games for the other nations. I agree. You're likely to have 1 in Wales (Principality), 1 in Ireland (Aviva), 1 Northern Ireland (Redeveloped Casement Park), 1 Scotland (Hampden) and then 6 in England From Wiki: |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 9, 2022 0:06:44 GMT
BBC are reporting that the Principality is the only Welsh stadium under consideration for the bid. Not massively surprising but hard to think this isn't an England bid with a token couple of games for the other nations.You just described how the UK functions |
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Post by insertname on Feb 9, 2022 1:45:29 GMT
BBC are reporting that the Principality is the only Welsh stadium under consideration for the bid. Not massively surprising but hard to think this isn't an England bid with a token couple of games for the other nations.You just described how the UK functions Touché Almost to the point where you could explain the Barnett formula to school kids using stadiums and World Cup bids |
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 22, 2022 15:59:06 GMT
If this goes ahead, assuming just 1 stadium in use in each of Wales, Scotland, NI & ROI, with Wembley for the final, I think -
- Glasgow should host the opening game for Hampden historic reasons
- Glasgow, Cardiff & Dublin host a quarter final each, with the fourth a stadium outside of London, such as Manchester City.
- Dublin & Cardiff host a semi each
- Round of 16 all stadiums outside of London.
This way London isn’t the epicentre of the tournament and spreads the later stages around the Celtic countries, allowing Wembley the final.
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Post by jackanapes on Feb 22, 2022 16:50:35 GMT
If this goes ahead, assuming just 1 stadium in use in each of Wales, Scotland, NI & ROI, with Wembley for the final, I think - - Glasgow should host the opening game for Hampden historic reasons - Glasgow, Cardiff & Dublin host a quarter final each, with the fourth a stadium outside of London, such as Manchester City. - Dublin & Cardiff host a semi each - Round of 16 all stadiums outside of London. This way London isn’t the epicentre of the tournament and spreads the later stages around the Celtic countries, allowing Wembley the final. I’d much prefer if we refused to have anything to do with this travesty. A nation contributing one stadium is laughable and it smacks of both desperation (on our part) and tokenism (on the part of England). Apart from anything else a tournament in the Uk and Ireland doesn’t really feel like a proper international tournament. I’d rather see it in one country. |
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 22, 2022 16:57:25 GMT
If this goes ahead, assuming just 1 stadium in use in each of Wales, Scotland, NI & ROI, with Wembley for the final, I think - - Glasgow should host the opening game for Hampden historic reasons - Glasgow, Cardiff & Dublin host a quarter final each, with the fourth a stadium outside of London, such as Manchester City. - Dublin & Cardiff host a semi each - Round of 16 all stadiums outside of London. This way London isn’t the epicentre of the tournament and spreads the later stages around the Celtic countries, allowing Wembley the final. I’d much prefer if we refused to have anything to do with this travesty. A nation contributing one stadium is laughable and it smacks of both desperation (on our part) and tokenism (on the part of England). Apart from anything else a tournament in the Uk and Ireland doesn’t really feel like a proper international tournament. I’d rather see it in one country. The days of one country are over post 2024. 32 teams too big for one country excluding Germany. |
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Post by insertname on Feb 22, 2022 17:57:16 GMT
I’d much prefer if we refused to have anything to do with this travesty. A nation contributing one stadium is laughable and it smacks of both desperation (on our part) and tokenism (on the part of England). Apart from anything else a tournament in the Uk and Ireland doesn’t really feel like a proper international tournament. I’d rather see it in one country. The days of one country are over post 2024. 32 teams too big for one country excluding Germany. In which case that will probably be the beginning of the end for the whole tournament, less teams at home than at the tournament and a lack of hosts due to size and logistical complexity. Don't forget nobody wanted to host the 2020 edition apart from Turkey which is why it ended up being "country-less". The euros being so big is a financial liability to potential hosts, especially the UK where ticket sales for Euro 96 games (outside of England games) were well below par. |
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Post by derynglas on Feb 22, 2022 22:39:23 GMT
I think its far from certain the Euros is going to 32 teams.
Uefa told the Irish Examiner in January that Euro 2028 remains a 24 team
tournament at this time,and that nothing had been discussed about increasing to a 32 nation finals,
contradicting some reports that had been in the British press the previous week.
IMO the increase would result in a lowering of quality in the tournament overall and
render the qualification process all but meaningless.
Hopefully wont happen.
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Post by insertname on Feb 22, 2022 23:37:37 GMT
I think its far from certain the Euros is going to 32 teams. Uefa told the Irish Examiner in January that Euro 2028 remains a 24 team tournament at this time,and that nothing had been discussed about increasing to a 32 nation finals, contradicting some reports that had been in the British press the previous week. IMO the increase would result in a lowering of quality in the tournament overall and render the qualification process all but meaningless. Hopefully wont happen. Yep, any tournament where more qualify than stay at home has lost the plot. The only way I can see expansion working is by increasing the teams in UEFA and the only way that could happen is by Europe and South America taking part in qualifying for a “Copa Europa”…in fact I can actually see that taking place as a one-off in the next 20 years if the nations league tie in proves popular…. |
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 23, 2022 11:23:58 GMT
I think its far from certain the Euros is going to 32 teams. Uefa told the Irish Examiner in January that Euro 2028 remains a 24 team tournament at this time,and that nothing had been discussed about increasing to a 32 nation finals, contradicting some reports that had been in the British press the previous week. IMO the increase would result in a lowering of quality in the tournament overall and render the qualification process all but meaningless. Hopefully wont happen. Yep, any tournament where more qualify than stay at home has lost the plot. The only way I can see expansion working is by increasing the teams in UEFA and the only way that could happen is by Europe and South America taking part in qualifying for a “Copa Europa”…in fact I can actually see that taking place as a one-off in the next 20 years if the nations league tie in proves popular…. All teams qualify for Copa America? 40% would still be at home for a 32 team euros. A different qualifying process could be held maybe with top sides automatically qualifying. A joint tournament with the South Americans would be interesting. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 22, 2022 13:36:21 GMT
Press releases today stating that it appears there will be no rival bids before the deadline, so looks like Wales will be hosting our first ever football tournament games in 2028
No idea whether it will just be the Millennium, or whether the CCS will also be involved
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 22, 2022 13:40:35 GMT
Press releases today stating that it appears there will be no rival bids before the deadline, so looks like Wales will be hosting our first ever football tournament games in 2028 No idea whether it will just be the Millennium, or whether the CCS will also be involved Mooney has said it’s just the Principality in his EJFOF podcast interview. The CCS would need upgrades costing £40m and that’s not going to happen in a post pandemic would. |
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Post by insertname on Mar 22, 2022 14:20:12 GMT
Yep, any tournament where more qualify than stay at home has lost the plot. The only way I can see expansion working is by increasing the teams in UEFA and the only way that could happen is by Europe and South America taking part in qualifying for a “Copa Europa”…in fact I can actually see that taking place as a one-off in the next 20 years if the nations league tie in proves popular…. All teams qualify for Copa America? 40% would still be at home for a 32 team euros. A different qualifying process could be held maybe with top sides automatically qualifying. A joint tournament with the South Americans would be interesting. Does more teams qualifying than eliminated during a group stage not sound ridiculous to you though? The copa America format kind of works because it’s a small confederation and it doesn’t have a comedy qualifying system to eliminate a small number of teams. They also invite teams to make up numbers and give it an interesting dynamic. It’s still a kind of broken format though because it isn’t as high profile as it could be, perhaps should be, because it’s the same teams from WC qualifying playing each other. The whole concept of having a 4 host tournament contested by 32 teams in a 50 odd team confederation is to the point of being beyond parody. There’s very little sporting prestige in a finals where it’s harder not to qualify. It’s just more games because people can’t seem to get enough of pointless fixtures played during the summer. |
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Post by georgetm1 on Mar 22, 2022 15:06:09 GMT
Sharing it with England and their scumbag fans and their scumbag media has put a massive dampener on it. If it was Celtic countries only, then it would be awesome but this will just be a massive England / britnat fest exactly like the last Euros. Honest to god, how the hell do they get another euros after last year? The booing of anthems, the racism, entitled wankers invading the stadium and UEFA think this is a good idea? Corrupt as fuck. They should be the last country getting a major tournament.
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Post by insertname on Mar 22, 2022 15:32:33 GMT
Sharing it with England and their scumbag fans and their scumbag media has put a massive dampener on it. If it was Celtic countries only, then it would be awesome but this will just be a massive England / britnat fest exactly like the last Euros. Honest to god, how the hell do they get another euros after last year? The booing of anthems, the racism, entitled wankers invading the stadium and UEFA think this is a good idea? Corrupt as fuck. They should be the last country getting a major tournament. There were no other bids. It’s wrong imo that they now get a finals by default after the nonsense last time. I’m sure UEFA don’t want England to host one either but the last time they had no other viable bids they decided to do the continent wide format which wasn’t much of a success. So what else can they do now? This is the issue with expanding the tournament- no-one wants to bid for it now. 16 teams was much more manageable for smaller countries. |
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 23, 2022 20:15:34 GMT
Apparentry Turkey and Russia have also bid. No doubt the Russia one is them trolling UEFA. I actually quite like the look of Turkey hosting it. 5 nations hosting it is complete overkill, especially when England got the best bits of the last Euros and their fans disgraced themselves with it.
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Post by hooky on Mar 23, 2022 21:46:07 GMT
Why did we involve Ireland in the bid?
Surely England, Scotland and Wales could have hosted it on their own? What do they bring?
We just end up ceding games to them and I would not be shocked if they somehow secure a bigger game than us in their rubbish stadium. Its better to concentrate a tournament!
I find it all very weird. Think uefa may be reluctant to give 5 sides a free pass to the tournament, but they would probably have given a free pass to 3 teams
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 23, 2022 22:33:27 GMT
Why did we involve Ireland in the bid? Surely England, Scotland and Wales could have hosted it on their own? What do they bring? We just end up ceding games to them and I would not be shocked if they somehow secure a bigger game than us in their rubbish stadium. Its better to concentrate a tournament! I find it all very weird. Think uefa may be reluctant to give 5 sides a free pass to the tournament, but they would probably have given a free pass to 3 teams There’s no way Cardiff won’t have a semi with the second biggest stadium. Seems two countries will automatically qualify, which I would say is most likely to be a the highest two ranked in UEFA’s ranking at the time of the qualifying draw which will be in late 2026. |
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Post by cadno on Mar 24, 2022 11:10:07 GMT
No thanks. I'll be off to South America for the Copa!
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Post by robin1864 on Mar 24, 2022 14:06:58 GMT
As others have said, it'll only be a few token games for us and the drinking/tournament culture is still toxic after the Euro 2020 final.
The Red Wall sets the standard for fan behaviour, but they'd be dwarfed by millions of casual fans up and down the UK being able to easily access alcohol and matches, the whole thing will end up being a booze-ridden shambles. In addition to that, it's always difficult to support Wales in the Millenium when most people there are 80-minute patriots.
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Post by llyn on Mar 24, 2022 15:35:41 GMT
Boris Johnson is now backing Ukraine to host Euro 2028 - "The idea of Russia holding any idea of football tournament or any kind of cultural event right now is beyond satire,” Johnson said. “I can’t believe that anybody would seriously consider their suggestion and, yes, I think the best thing possible would be for the entire Russian forces to retire forthwith from Ukraine and hand the tournament to them.”
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Post by dai on Mar 24, 2022 16:03:41 GMT
Boris Johnson is now backing Ukraine to host Euro 2028 - "The idea of Russia holding any idea of football tournament or any kind of cultural event right now is beyond satire,” Johnson said. “I can’t believe that anybody would seriously consider their suggestion and, yes, I think the best thing possible would be for the entire Russian forces to retire forthwith from Ukraine and hand the tournament to them.” Does anyone think this is a completely absurd suggestion from fat Boris? The country (if still existing) will probably be still rebuilding by then, and I think their people will have more to concentrate on that football. The idea is nice, but Johnson's timing is just poor imo. |
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Post by whales1 on Mar 24, 2022 16:17:59 GMT
Why did we involve Ireland in the bid? Surely England, Scotland and Wales could have hosted it on their own? What do they bring? We just end up ceding games to them and I would not be shocked if they somehow secure a bigger game than us in their rubbish stadium. Its better to concentrate a tournament! I find it all very weird. Think uefa may be reluctant to give 5 sides a free pass to the tournament, but they would probably have given a free pass to 3 teams You're right, we probably will manage to get bigger and more games than you. When you are a real country you have some weight behind you. Wales will get whatever crumbs are offered to you, and you'll gladly lap them up too. |
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 24, 2022 17:08:56 GMT
Boris Johnson is now backing Ukraine to host Euro 2028 - "The idea of Russia holding any idea of football tournament or any kind of cultural event right now is beyond satire,” Johnson said. “I can’t believe that anybody would seriously consider their suggestion and, yes, I think the best thing possible would be for the entire Russian forces to retire forthwith from Ukraine and hand the tournament to them.” Does anyone think this is a completely absurd suggestion from fat Boris? The country (if still existing) will probably be still rebuilding by then, and I think their people will have more to concentrate on that football. The idea is nice, but Johnson's timing is just poor imo. Boris just blows with the wind. It was all about getting Brexit into as many sentences as possible, then vaccinations, now Ukraine. He places himself in the forefront of any hot topic. |
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 24, 2022 17:12:05 GMT
Why did we involve Ireland in the bid? Surely England, Scotland and Wales could have hosted it on their own? What do they bring? We just end up ceding games to them and I would not be shocked if they somehow secure a bigger game than us in their rubbish stadium. Its better to concentrate a tournament! I find it all very weird. Think uefa may be reluctant to give 5 sides a free pass to the tournament, but they would probably have given a free pass to 3 teams You're right, we probably will manage to get bigger and more games than you. When you are a real country you have some weight behind you. Wales will get whatever crumbs are offered to you, and you'll gladly lap them up too. Charming. Nothing stranger than someone who's bothered with a fake countries message board. But I'm guessing you got nothing better to do tonight. |
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Post by rioonamazy on Mar 24, 2022 18:04:42 GMT
Why did we involve Ireland in the bid? Surely England, Scotland and Wales could have hosted it on their own? What do they bring? We just end up ceding games to them and I would not be shocked if they somehow secure a bigger game than us in their rubbish stadium. Its better to concentrate a tournament! I find it all very weird. Think uefa may be reluctant to give 5 sides a free pass to the tournament, but they would probably have given a free pass to 3 teams
When you are a real country you have some weight behind you.
Wales will get whatever crumbs are offered to you, and you'll gladly lap them up too.
--------------------- lapping up crumbs - lol : like ireland could do this with on their own. couldnt even fulfil there part in the euro 2020 and got kicked off. (before your moan wales were given the CL final) |
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Post by insertname on Mar 24, 2022 18:24:40 GMT
Boris Johnson is now backing Ukraine to host Euro 2028 - "The idea of Russia holding any idea of football tournament or any kind of cultural event right now is beyond satire,” Johnson said. “I can’t believe that anybody would seriously consider their suggestion and, yes, I think the best thing possible would be for the entire Russian forces to retire forthwith from Ukraine and hand the tournament to them.” Does anyone think this is a completely absurd suggestion from fat Boris? The country (if still existing) will probably be still rebuilding by then, and I think their people will have more to concentrate on that football. The idea is nice, but Johnson's timing is just poor imo. He's trying to row back from the Brexit comment. As you say the country will be rebuilding then (probably, hopefully) and let's not forget they only co-hosted a 16 team iteration. They won't be hosting a 32 team version. Johnson knows fuck all about football and in that comment he is showing it. It's just politically correct nonsense. |
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