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Post by jimexotic on Jun 15, 2022 21:39:32 GMT
Between now and Qatar we must seriously work on the mental aspect of holding on, I'd much rather we make these mistakes now but we absolutely have to learn from it, we can't do that in a major tournament. I know its frustrating, but I don't think we have a habit of conceding late goals. The Netherlands yeah absolutely freak results and coincidence... but Ukraine threw everything at us, Austria did too, we drew with Belgium in Qualifiers and Nations League. I am OK with labeling this a freak coincidence and move on, but I'll be a made to look a fool if it does happen again. The thing is we've done it twice in our last three games and it's the kind of thing that can affect players mentally and it becomes a habit. Remember years ago when Spurs went through a phase of throwing away 3-0 leads? We can't afford for this sort of thing to start becoming a habit, not ever but especially not for the first World Cup that we've actually qualified for. |
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Post by jbt95 on Jun 15, 2022 22:32:55 GMT
Great trip. Great city. Great atmosphere. Dreadful airport! Rotterdam airport? Was impressed myself. Quiet! |
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Post by pendragon on Jun 16, 2022 0:18:36 GMT
Relax?! I, for one, am glad that this gruelling set of games is over and my stress levels can take a break for a few months 😅 Absolutely with you on this. Being a Wales and Wrecsam fan has taken "gruelling" to a new level over the last month. Talk about an emotional rollercoaster. I just need a lie down for a bit now. Honestly, it had gotten to the stage that I couldn't watch some moments of the games and had to go to a different room until it was all over 😆 |
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Post by londonexile on Jun 16, 2022 11:21:21 GMT
Fantastic trip in Amsterdam and really enjoyed Rotterdam on match day. Away end was interesting, vibes of Newcastle with all the stairs to negotiate!
Small grumble re the ticket collection at the hotel on matchday. Maybe I caught them In a bad 5 minutes but they seemed a bit surly and miserable when we turned up. Felt like a bunch of bouncers puffing out their chests barking orders at people who were just trying to get their tickets and find ID etc. "lead booker only", "you stand outside", "get back in the queue".... Semmed strange to me as we are always greeted with a friendly face and smile on previous collections. Odd.
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Post by dvk on Jun 16, 2022 12:45:10 GMT
Totally agree .In Wroclaw and Rotterdam we were treated with the utmost courtesy and friendliness by locals. So very different outside ticket hotel. We had same experience as the above. No welcome, friendly banter etc. Arrived 30mins after collection opened. Treated as if we were interrupting their conversation. Wife in particular treated as an irrelevance - - “only lead booker needed”, “don’t go in”. We understand the need for ID but this is surely only needed to allow Matt or Lucy to match name with ticket envelope. This time had to show ID outside before going in and separately confirming to Matt who we were. Understand having these people may give reassurance to the ticketing team but we were not alone in finding the “bouncer” approach heavy handed and charmless. Training courses recommended !
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jun 16, 2022 13:17:38 GMT
Can only say that the ticket collection process was good for me, I was treated in a friendly and courteous way.
We arrived at about 4pm on matchday and dealt with a younger lad and an older gentleman, not the security staff who didn't appear to be doing much.
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Post by londonexile on Jun 16, 2022 14:01:28 GMT
Interesting it wasn't just us then that sensed a hostile approach at the ticket collection, what made it more bizarre is I don't think it was local security either, I'm sure they were Welsh!
Hopefully just a one off, and didn't detract from what was an excellent few days away. I thought the support and noise was fantastic, best away end for a while and I've been in some good ones over the years. Great to hear Robert Page's Barmy Army so loud.... He deserves it.
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 16, 2022 14:14:53 GMT
Best away atmosphere I can remember, must be that WC qualifying feel good factor. Shame we have to wait 3 months for the next one but I could probably do with the break.
Even after losing the way we did we consoled ourselves with 'England get battered four nil at home' as we left the ground, nice little sweetener that was.
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Post by jimbo82 on Jun 16, 2022 14:53:07 GMT
Brilliant atmosphere in the away end (to be fair, a brilliant atmosphere all around the ground) but it was a little bit concerning that too many people seemed to be in section GG.
I think if Wales had scored early there was a real risk that there could have been a crush with fans falling on top of each other - people were standing in the steps and filling all the walkways..
Haven't experienced that at a football match for many years now - I can only assume that fans with tickets for adjacent blocks had sneaked in.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jun 16, 2022 15:13:29 GMT
Brilliant atmosphere in the away end (to be fair, a brilliant atmosphere all around the ground) but it was a little bit concerning that too many people seemed to be in section GG. I think if Wales had scored early there was a real risk that there could have been a crush with fans falling on top of each other - people were standing in the steps and filling all the walkways.. Haven't experienced that at a football match for many years now - I can only assume that fans with tickets for adjacent blocks had sneaked in. Yes, people who shouldn't have been in GG were in there. Same thing happened in Aarhus where there was equally shit stewarding. You get the 'stand where you want at an away game' mentality which I do understand but it's missing the point of having section capacities... |
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Post by londonexile on Jun 16, 2022 15:19:56 GMT
I was in GG... Agree, it was chaotic trying to find any type of space prior to kick off and the bar situation was a shambles for those wanting a drink (not just a pint but essentials like water). Looked dangerous to me. We ended up down the front and because of the raised glass bit at the front of the stand and the restricted / blurred view that presented, basically the first two rows were entirely empty. So maybe more of the case that ultimately, two rows of fans ended up looking for a spot further back with a better view? They definitely checked our tickets at the foot of the stairwell. I don't think once you committed to a stairwell you could walk between the blocks.
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Post by jbt95 on Jun 16, 2022 15:29:13 GMT
I've always said the FAW should sell the tickets and then allocate them once they are all sold. Issue is you get people buying at different stages wanting to sit with their mates. This wouldn't be difficult when collecting in person as they could literally just give a ticket out and log against who has what at the time of collection, rather than pre-packing into thousands of envelops. One for corky to bring up. |
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Post by daearegwr on Jun 16, 2022 15:34:57 GMT
I was in GG... Agree, it was chaotic trying to find any type of space prior to kick off and the bar situation was a shambles for those wanting a drink (not just a pint but essentials like water). Looked dangerous to me. We ended up down the front and because of the raised glass bit at the front of the stand and the restricted / blurred view that presented, basically the first two rows were entirely empty. So maybe more of the case that ultimately, two rows of fans ended up looking for a spot further back with a better view? They definitely checked our tickets at the foot of the stairwell. I don't think once you committed to a stairwell you could walk between the blocks. I was lucky I had an empty water bottle with me and ended up filling it from the tap in the bogs because there was no way of easily getting to the bar. I've not been ill yet so looks like it was ok! Mad that the food places downstairs didn't seem to offer water (or any other drinks). Was expecting more really. I was in FF and that one bar was serving all the away end so you could move between the blocks. |
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Post by londonexile on Jun 16, 2022 17:07:48 GMT
Ah fair enough! Couldn't see a way myself but that's more to do with congestion then.
The frites downstairs were decent mind!
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 16, 2022 17:14:31 GMT
I know its frustrating, but I don't think we have a habit of conceding late goals. The Netherlands yeah absolutely freak results and coincidence... but Ukraine threw everything at us, Austria did too, we drew with Belgium in Qualifiers and Nations League. I am OK with labeling this a freak coincidence and move on, but I'll be a made to look a fool if it does happen again. The thing is we've done it twice in our last three games and it's the kind of thing that can affect players mentally and it becomes a habit. Remember years ago when Spurs went through a phase of throwing away 3-0 leads? We can't afford for this sort of thing to start becoming a habit, not ever but especially not for the first World Cup that we've actually qualified for. It is unacceptable. After the Ukraine game I saw experts saying how solid we are defensively but aren't good in attack. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jun 16, 2022 19:12:18 GMT
I was in GG... Agree, it was chaotic trying to find any type of space prior to kick off and the bar situation was a shambles for those wanting a drink (not just a pint but essentials like water). Looked dangerous to me. We ended up down the front and because of the raised glass bit at the front of the stand and the restricted / blurred view that presented, basically the first two rows were entirely empty. So maybe more of the case that ultimately, two rows of fans ended up looking for a spot further back with a better view? They definitely checked our tickets at the foot of the stairwell. I don't think once you committed to a stairwell you could walk between the blocks. The first 2 rows weren't sold as they're restricted view. I liked the perspex walls with spikes on the top, handy for keeping the Ajax hooligans in their pens. |
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Post by cadno on Jun 16, 2022 20:21:43 GMT
The thing is we've done it twice in our last three games and it's the kind of thing that can affect players mentally and it becomes a habit. Remember years ago when Spurs went through a phase of throwing away 3-0 leads? We can't afford for this sort of thing to start becoming a habit, not ever but especially not for the first World Cup that we've actually qualified for. It is unacceptable. After the Ukraine game I saw experts saying how solid we are defensively but aren't good in attack. We really struggle to keep goals out against the best sides, hope we can change that in the WC. Over the last couple of years, in 13 games against opposition I'd consider 'top teams' we've kept 1 clean sheet (Vs Ukraine) ... Conceded 26. Lost 8, won 1, drawn 4. Not a great record! Fingers crossed we have a fully fit squad for the WC, I'm starting to feel more confident now, if we have our strongest Xi available we've got a chance to do well! |
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Post by Griff105 on Jun 17, 2022 5:41:07 GMT
Great trip. Great city. Great atmosphere. Dreadful airport! Rotterdam airport? Was impressed myself. Quiet! Sorry i meant Schipol airport was dreadful. Thats where i went wrong! |
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Post by jbt95 on Jun 17, 2022 7:33:27 GMT
Rotterdam airport? Was impressed myself. Quiet! Sorry i meant Schipol airport was dreadful. Thats where i went wrong! I am happy the game was in Rotterdam after hearing of peoples experiences travelling involving Amsterdam, flights being cancelled etc. |
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Post by cadno on Jun 17, 2022 17:22:10 GMT
It is unacceptable. After the Ukraine game I saw experts saying how solid we are defensively but aren't good in attack. We really struggle to keep goals out against the best sides, hope we can change that in the WC. Over the last couple of years, in 13 games against opposition I'd consider 'top teams' we've kept 1 clean sheet (Vs Ukraine) ... Conceded 26. Lost 8, won 1, drawn 4. Not a great record! Fingers crossed we have a fully fit squad for the WC, I'm starting to feel more confident now, if we have our strongest Xi available we've got a chance to do well! And in those 13 games we've scored 9, which is probably a bigger problem! Just listened to EJFOF and Iwan Roberts made the point that we need to score more goals. |
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Post by quetzal on Jun 17, 2022 17:25:15 GMT
We really struggle to keep goals out against the best sides, hope we can change that in the WC. Over the last couple of years, in 13 games against opposition I'd consider 'top teams' we've kept 1 clean sheet (Vs Ukraine) ... Conceded 26. Lost 8, won 1, drawn 4. Not a great record! Fingers crossed we have a fully fit squad for the WC, I'm starting to feel more confident now, if we have our strongest Xi available we've got a chance to do well! And in those 13 games we've scored 9, which is probably a bigger problem! Just listened to EJFOF and Iwan Roberts made the point that we need to score more goals. Brennan is massive for us. |
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 17, 2022 21:25:22 GMT
The Netherlands games have brought back memories of the England game in 2016, for a couple of days I was a very deflated young man.
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Post by CymruFach on Jun 18, 2022 16:50:48 GMT
Absolutely not. He has more mistakes in him than any of our other defenders and is very clumsy. He's shown that every time he played for us and in plenty of Swansea games too. Disagree, he has performed well for Swansea |
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Post by saturn9 on Jun 18, 2022 19:46:22 GMT
Absolutely not. He has more mistakes in him than any of our other defenders and is very clumsy. He's shown that every time he played for us and in plenty of Swansea games too. Disagree, he has performed well for Swansea Seconded, very reliable when I've seen him for club. When he went off injured for their home game against Bth, the game changed completely to end up 3-3, despite being 3 goals up. |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jun 21, 2022 7:43:24 GMT
Rotterdam airport? Was impressed myself. Quiet! Sorry i meant Schipol airport was dreadful. Thats where i went wrong! was a nightmare through security. 3 hours in advance and literally just made the flight , last on the steps |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 27, 2022 18:27:08 GMT
Hope people don't mind me posting this but I'm heading out to the Netherlands tomorrow, anyone who made the trip a few weeks ago what are the covid rules like there? Did you only need a proof of vaccination to get in? I've had a look but I'm nowhere near clever enough to understand the rules.
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Post by Toffeeman on Jun 27, 2022 18:51:12 GMT
I was informed beforehand that you needed a covid pass and a health declaration form.Had them both on me but I was never asked at any point to show them.Passport and airline tickets and that was it.Not sure about others who made the trip were requested to display the above?
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Post by derynglas on Jun 27, 2022 18:58:29 GMT
Went to Holland by eurostar through Brussels.No need for anything covid related not even proof of vaccination.
Went to Poland via Paris did need proof of being triple vaxed to go to paris.
Also masks needed on trains in Germany with near 100% compliance.
But no nothing in Holland whatsoever.
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Post by welshrover on Jun 27, 2022 19:25:27 GMT
Hope people don't mind me posting this but I'm heading out to the Netherlands tomorrow, anyone who made the trip a few weeks ago what are the covid rules like there? Did you only need a proof of vaccination to get in? I've had a look but I'm nowhere near clever enough to understand the rules. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 27, 2022 19:52:05 GMT
Thanks for this guys, much appreciated. I got the covid pass and gone through the list and think there's nothing else. Just ideal that I got a community of people who went there a few weeks ago to help me 🤣
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