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Post by idj68 on Mar 27, 2022 15:32:25 GMT
Its a real issue for both FIFA and UEFA. FIFA will need it sorted asap so they can get on with the final organisation. Does anyone think the Q atari organisers will set aside a lump of accommodation for the team caught up in this ? 2 or 3 thousand rooms may not be sufficient for the Scottish but would probably be ok for ourselves and probably more than enough for Ukraine.
UEFA have the qualifying draw for Germany 24 scheduled for October. The nations league plays such an integral part in the seeding these days it'll have to have finished or the draw delayed. A couple of good results for ourselves against Poland and we could be on the cusp of Pot 1 for that draw. I’m not sure that the “other “ qualified teams at the WC in the WALSCOUKR group darn on the 1/4 will be comfortable that their prep is impacted 12 weeks longer than it needs to be ! Never mind the clubs if a new/extended international window needs to be created #itwillbejune |
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Post by pclaude on Mar 27, 2022 15:50:35 GMT
A delay until September would be appalling. A line has to be drawn somewhere. I thought qualified teams need months of planning to arrange their world cup bases, all of the logistics, etc. And that's not even mentioning how massively unfair it will be on fans trying to plan. Attempting to get flights and accommodation booked with 2 months notice when every other team has known for 8-12 months. But no reasons that x2 NL fixtures can’t be pushed back until Sept and play the SCOUKR and final in June ! There is no space in September for 2 extra matches. 1 maybe. Two, no. |
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 27, 2022 16:14:16 GMT
But no reasons that x2 NL fixtures can’t be pushed back until Sept and play the SCOUKR and final in June ! There is no space in September for 2 extra matches. 1 maybe. Two, no. I guess Ukraine's Nations League games will be cancelled, so they can adjust Scotland's other four games and have the semi and final in September if needs be. |
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Post by insertname on Mar 27, 2022 16:17:02 GMT
Its a real issue for both FIFA and UEFA. FIFA will need it sorted asap so they can get on with the final organisation. Does anyone think the Q atari organisers will set aside a lump of accommodation for the team caught up in this ? 2 or 3 thousand rooms may not be sufficient for the Scottish but would probably be ok for ourselves and probably more than enough for Ukraine.
UEFA have the qualifying draw for Germany 24 scheduled for October. The nations league plays such an integral part in the seeding these days it'll have to have finished or the draw delayed. A couple of good results for ourselves against Poland and we could be on the cusp of Pot 1 for that draw. I’m not sure that the “other “ qualified teams at the WC in the WALSCOUKR group darn on the 1/4 will be comfortable that their prep is impacted 12 weeks longer than it needs to be ! Never mind the clubs if a new/extended international window needs to be created #itwillbejune Would it really matter to them? As far as I am aware there are no opportunities for teams to organise targeted friendlies against teams of a similar style to Scotland, Ukraine or Wales even if they did know who they were supposed to be playing. I expect the only team really affected by all this is the one who will eventually qualify. |
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Post by Toffeeman on Mar 27, 2022 16:25:37 GMT
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Post by pclaude on Mar 27, 2022 17:28:54 GMT
There is no space in September for 2 extra matches. 1 maybe. Two, no. I guess Ukraine's Nations League games will be cancelled, so they can adjust Scotland's other four games and have the semi and final in September if needs be. And ours? |
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Post by playslikeiniesta on Mar 27, 2022 18:04:58 GMT
Either way they need to let us know a concrete date for the final as soon as possible. The longer it drags out the more ridiculous it becomes.
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 27, 2022 18:54:28 GMT
I guess Ukraine's Nations League games will be cancelled, so they can adjust Scotland's other four games and have the semi and final in September if needs be. And ours? If the final is in September, then our fixtures in June will probably go ahead as planned, the final on Sunday 25th September with Poland home moving to Wednesday 28th September. |
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Post by pclaude on Mar 27, 2022 19:22:39 GMT
If the final is in September, then our fixtures in June will probably go ahead as planned, the final on Sunday 25th September with Poland home moving to Wednesday 28th September. The players are supposed to be back with clubs on 28th aren’t they? |
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 27, 2022 19:27:41 GMT
If the final is in September, then our fixtures in June will probably go ahead as planned, the final on Sunday 25th September with Poland home moving to Wednesday 28th September. The players are supposed to be back with clubs on 28th aren’t they? Think it's Thursday they have to be back by. We saw Thursday-Sunday-Wednesday triple headers over the last two autumns. |
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Post by insertname on Mar 27, 2022 19:27:47 GMT
If the final is in September, then our fixtures in June will probably go ahead as planned, the final on Sunday 25th September with Poland home moving to Wednesday 28th September. Imagine not knowing you’re playing at a World Cup until less than two months before it actually kicks off 😂 mental. It’s a particularly uncomfortable aspect of this conflict that, unfortunately, life in the rest of the world goes on, it has to and tough unlikeable decisions have to be made. I would expect at some point UEFA has to get tough on this and prioritise the completion of the play off before the start of next season. It just shows an abdication of responsibility to do nothing and let this situation get so out of hand that the final gets played at the absolute last possible opportunity giving the eventual qualifier no time at all to confirm logistics for the finals. I’ve no idea why the Scots seem to be pushing for this very outcome. What’s their angle? Play the semi-final in June and then if they qualify squeeze the final into September so they don’t end up with possibly 6 games over two weeks in June with their opponents (us) playing one game less and being “fresher” (if the final is the last fixture played)? I just don’t get why it helps anyone to kick this down the road into the arse end of September |
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 27, 2022 19:29:45 GMT
If the final is in September, then our fixtures in June will probably go ahead as planned, the final on Sunday 25th September with Poland home moving to Wednesday 28th September. Imagine not knowing you’re playing at a World Cup until less than two months before it actually kicks off 😂 mental. It’s a particularly uncomfortable aspect of this conflict that, unfortunately, life in the rest of the world goes on, it has to and tough unlikeable decisions have to be made. I would expect at some point UEFA has to get tough on this and prioritise the completion of the play off before the start of next season. It just shows an abdication of responsibility to do nothing and let this situation get so out of hand that the final gets played at the absolute last possible opportunity giving the eventual qualifier no time at all to confirm logistics for the finals. In an ideal world Ukraine would just say sorry we cannot play the fixture in June and withdraw. |
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Post by insertname on Mar 27, 2022 19:35:31 GMT
Imagine not knowing you’re playing at a World Cup until less than two months before it actually kicks off 😂 mental. It’s a particularly uncomfortable aspect of this conflict that, unfortunately, life in the rest of the world goes on, it has to and tough unlikeable decisions have to be made. I would expect at some point UEFA has to get tough on this and prioritise the completion of the play off before the start of next season. It just shows an abdication of responsibility to do nothing and let this situation get so out of hand that the final gets played at the absolute last possible opportunity giving the eventual qualifier no time at all to confirm logistics for the finals. In an ideal world Ukraine would just say sorry we cannot play the fixture in June and withdraw. Well, at this point that seems a bit harsh…I doubt the conflict will be over by then, at least not for football to resume, but they should be able to name a foreign based team. I saw a stat that they are usually represented by 15 or so deomestically based players out of your typical squad size of 23 so they will be disrupted, no doubt and that’s going to be harsh on them. So I don’t feel they should be pushed into anything yet but in mid May I think they need to be able to name a squad and just fulfil the fixture however they can. I think they will end up committing to playing the semi final, but it’s anyone’s guess as to how it will work out for them. |
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Post by quetzal on Mar 27, 2022 20:00:00 GMT
June or nothing. Not fair to Scots and Wales fans if played in Sept.
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Post by pclaude on Mar 27, 2022 21:30:04 GMT
In an ideal world Ukraine would just say sorry we cannot play the fixture in June and withdraw. Well, at this point that seems a bit harsh…I doubt the conflict will be over by then, at least not for football to resume, but they should be able to name a foreign based team. I saw a stat that they are usually represented by 15 or so deomestically based players out of your typical squad size of 23 so they will be disrupted, no doubt and that’s going to be harsh on them. So I don’t feel they should be pushed into anything yet but in mid May I think they need to be able to name a squad and just fulfil the fixture however they can. I think they will end up committing to playing the semi final, but it’s anyone’s guess as to how it will work out for them. I think some of their domestic players have secured loans outside of Ukraine. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 27, 2022 23:01:48 GMT
5th apparently.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 28, 2022 6:58:40 GMT
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Post by welwyn on Mar 28, 2022 6:58:44 GMT
So the Dutch home game gets moved?? |
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Post by sleepy on Mar 28, 2022 7:03:14 GMT
So the Dutch home game gets moved?? If correct, the Poland game would be moved too as it's on the 3rd. |
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Post by welshlad on Mar 28, 2022 7:17:45 GMT
Sunday 5th June?
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Post by pclaude on Mar 28, 2022 7:21:34 GMT
That must be the semi? Unless Ukraine dropping out |
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Post by superunknown on Mar 28, 2022 7:23:28 GMT
So the Dutch home game gets moved?? If correct, the Poland game would be moved too as it's on the 3rd. Source is a mate but he's been right before with stuff like this, he's said the Poland game is getting moved to 1st, final on 5th and Netherlands home 8th. Not too sure on it as 1st would be outside the match window but I suppose it's an exceptional circumstance. Take it with a big pinch of salt but that's what I've been told. Presumably that would mean Belgium home and Netherlands away would need pushing back too but he's not mentioned them. Will see if he's right. Hopefully not as it means flights for both away games are useless and also Wrexham could have potentially have a play off final on the same day as the Wales play off final. Not much we can do I know but couldn't be a worst possible outcome for a Wrexham fan who follows Wales haha. |
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 28, 2022 7:28:21 GMT
If Wrexham / Wales clash, presuming it’s a 7:45 kick off, would be good if the Wrexham game kicked off at 12 as people could then go to both.
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Post by superunknown on Mar 28, 2022 7:30:38 GMT
If Wrexham / Wales clash, presuming it’s a 7:45 kick off, would be good if the Wrexham game kicked off at 12 as people could then go to both. Agreed. Last year they had the final in Ashton Gate too which would make it even easier. |
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 28, 2022 7:30:41 GMT
If correct, the Poland game would be moved too as it's on the 3rd. Not too sure on it as 1st would be outside the match window but I suppose it's an exceptional circumstance. Italy are playing Argentina at Wembley on 1st June, so could happen. |
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Post by insertname on Mar 28, 2022 7:34:13 GMT
If correct, the Poland game would be moved too as it's on the 3rd. Source is a mate but he's been right before with stuff like this, he's said the Poland game is getting moved to 1st, final on 5th and Netherlands home 8th. Not too sure on it as 1st would be outside the match window but I suppose it's an exceptional circumstance. Take it with a big pinch of salt but that's what I've been told. Presumably that would mean Belgium home and Netherlands away would need pushing back too but he's not mentioned them. Will see if he's right. Hopefully not as it means flights for both away games are useless and also Wrexham could have potentially have a play off final on the same day as the Wales play off final. Not much we can do I know but couldn't be a worst possible outcome for a Wrexham fan who follows Wales haha. Why would the match window apply? It’s the end of the season so surely all bets are off in terms of having to beg clubs to return players? As it happens FIFa did create an exceptional circumstance window that was created by the Brazil v Argentina covid cancellation so it would happen if needed…but as above I don’t see why there would be any issue with the NL internationals taking place after the champions league final which I believe is the official end of the European season (for the top leagues) Edit: Yeah tough one for Wrexham fans given the potential timing but the key thing is to get the play off final played in that window, as early as possible and no doubt there will be a circumstance or two to make way for it. |
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Post by superunknown on Mar 28, 2022 7:36:38 GMT
Source is a mate but he's been right before with stuff like this, he's said the Poland game is getting moved to 1st, final on 5th and Netherlands home 8th. Not too sure on it as 1st would be outside the match window but I suppose it's an exceptional circumstance. Take it with a big pinch of salt but that's what I've been told. Presumably that would mean Belgium home and Netherlands away would need pushing back too but he's not mentioned them. Will see if he's right. Hopefully not as it means flights for both away games are useless and also Wrexham could have potentially have a play off final on the same day as the Wales play off final. Not much we can do I know but couldn't be a worst possible outcome for a Wrexham fan who follows Wales haha. Why would the match window apply? It’s the end of the season so surely all bets are off in terms of having to beg clubs to return players? As it happens FIFa did create an exceptional circumstance window that was created by the Brazil v Argentina covid cancellation so it would happen if needed…but as above I don’t see why there would be any issue with the NL internationals taking place after the champions league final which I believe is the official end of the European season (for the top leagues) Yeah I suppose not, was just hoping my mate's wrong I guess haha. |
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 28, 2022 7:38:37 GMT
If Wrexham / Wales clash, presuming it’s a 7:45 kick off, would be good if the Wrexham game kicked off at 12 as people could then go to both. Agreed. Last year they had the final in Ashton Gate too which would make it even easier. That was only cause it clashed with the euros. So will be at Wembley again no doubt. Typical! |
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Post by insertname on Mar 28, 2022 7:40:27 GMT
Why would the match window apply? It’s the end of the season so surely all bets are off in terms of having to beg clubs to return players? As it happens FIFa did create an exceptional circumstance window that was created by the Brazil v Argentina covid cancellation so it would happen if needed…but as above I don’t see why there would be any issue with the NL internationals taking place after the champions league final which I believe is the official end of the European season (for the top leagues) Yeah I suppose not, was just hoping my mate's wrong I guess haha. Ah, is that from a Wrexham POV or because of travel needing re-scheduling? I think it’s the best outcome from a Wales team POV. I’m really worried about the vocal Scottish influencing a postponement til September. I’m not sure how it helps them but it seems to be what they want. Ultimately it can’t be any good for any competitor to qualify for the World Cup with less than two months til the start of the finals. We need this play off final to happen in June come what may. |
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Post by superunknown on Mar 28, 2022 7:46:12 GMT
Yeah I suppose not, was just hoping my mate's wrong I guess haha. Ah, is that from a Wrexham POV or because of travel needing re-scheduling? I think it’s the best outcome from a Wales team POV. I’m really worried about the vocal Scottish influencing a postponement til September. I’m not sure how it helps them but it seems to be what they want. Ultimately it can’t be any good for any competitor to qualify for the World Cup with less than two months til the start of the finals. We need this play off final to happen in June come what may. Both I guess. Obviously a selfish POV but I was just hoping it would be 6th June to avoid any potential play off clash and then move some NL games around. An unenviable task for the FAW to try and please everyone I'm sure. As I said, I do understand and I want what is best for the team (and for the record, would most likely choose Wales over Wrexham, even if it would kill me) but yeah bit of a kicker if both flights and a potential play off final are cancelled. |
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