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Post by underwood on Mar 30, 2022 7:40:08 GMT
Yes, Sweden were stitched up royally & I have every sympathy for them because exactly the same thing could have happened to us.
As it is, we may turn out to be the beneficiaries of exactly the same scenario in June. To put the Jocks out in that fashion - great, bring it on. However we’ll be classed as the global football villains if we knock Ukraine out under those circumstances.
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Post by insertname on Mar 30, 2022 11:24:52 GMT
Yes, Sweden were stitched up royally & I have every sympathy for them because exactly the same thing could have happened to us. As it is, we may turn out to be the beneficiaries of exactly the same scenario in June. To put the Jocks out in that fashion - great, bring it on. However we’ll be classed as the global football villains if we knock Ukraine out under those circumstances. Yeah I hadn’t looked at it like that. The thing that gets me most though is that Poland got to play a game less in the qualification period than other play off sides. We might have an advantage of freshness which I do totally concede is not particularly just, but at least we would have played the correct number of games. In other words Poland may not even have been playing last night to knock the Swedes out if they had been made to play someone. It was them that started all this off by refusing to play Russia after all. Refusing to play Russia worked out really really well for them |
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Post by underwood on Mar 30, 2022 14:55:34 GMT
The main advantage is that Poland didn’t have to risk getting injuries or suspensions before playing Sweden.
Either Scotland or Ukraine could lose a couple of key players a few days before playing us, what’s more they might have to play 120 minutes.
It’s definitely an advantage for us, but it’s about time we had the rub of the green, we’ve been stitched up plenty in the past.
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Post by bale-droed on Mar 31, 2022 7:46:12 GMT
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 31, 2022 8:27:41 GMT
Something in me wants to play Qatar in the opening match
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Post by rushlegend on Mar 31, 2022 11:01:50 GMT
Canada have qualified for the WC (first time since 1986) - hope this isn't a bad omen but last time they were in finals (Wales played Scotland in a 1-1 draw at Ninian Park) another penalty that went against us and the Scots went through to a final play-off!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 31, 2022 13:09:27 GMT
A good point of relevance for our achievements in this list below. Obviously transfermarket is an estimate, but look at our squad value compared to the other countries around us in the rankings. Clear we are punching well above our weight (or that our players are very undervalued!) www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wettbewerbe/fifa |
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Post by hooky on Mar 31, 2022 21:28:45 GMT
Just read the reason why we are in pot 4!
Little old Wales, Scotland and Ukraine
This would never happen to a big team like Italy. Its bloody outrageous. We get effected by a human tragedy and quietly get placed into pot 4. How come we don't complain - its totally unfair!
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Post by hooky on Mar 31, 2022 21:37:03 GMT
A good point of relevance for our achievements in this list below. Obviously transfermarket is an estimate, but look at our squad value compared to the other countries around us in the rankings. Clear we are punching well above our weight (or that our players are very undervalued!) www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wettbewerbe/fifaI'd pay zero attention to that rubbish Apparently our squad is worth £94mn and Scotland's £234mn, which is above the value of the Swiss squad and close to the value of the Columbia squad! Quite hilarious! |
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Post by cymro on Mar 31, 2022 21:38:16 GMT
Just read the reason why we are in pot 4! Little old Wales, Scotland and Ukraine This would never happen to a big team like Italy. Its bloody outrageous. We get effected by a human tragedy and quietly get placed into pot 4. How come we don't complain - its totally unfair! Absolutely. If Ukraine had been in Italy and Portugal's playoff path then they'd have had one hell of a dilemma. Because they certainly wouldn't have lumped Italy and Portugal in as 4th seeds. |
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Post by hooky on Mar 31, 2022 21:40:15 GMT
Why don't our WFA legally challenge it?
Fed up of the way we accept things
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Post by hooky on Mar 31, 2022 21:42:14 GMT
Seriously - it is astonishing that a country of our size gets such a high ranking - we do not deserve this.
If it wasn't for Qatar wrongly being awarded the WC, we should be in pot 2 by right!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 31, 2022 21:52:33 GMT
A good point of relevance for our achievements in this list below. Obviously transfermarket is an estimate, but look at our squad value compared to the other countries around us in the rankings. Clear we are punching well above our weight (or that our players are very undervalued!) www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wettbewerbe/fifaI'd pay zero attention to that rubbish Apparently our squad is worth £94mn and Scotland's £234mn, which is above the value of the Swiss squad and close to the value of the Columbia squad! Quite hilarious! Pinch of salt yes, but it's probably pretty accurate. Robertson, Tierney would command substantial fees. McGinn, McTominay & Adams would probably also get around £20-30 million in todays market In our squad Bale and Ramsey's value is decreased by their high wages. Roberts went to Burnley for £2.5 million, Rodon went to Spurs for £11 million, Harry Wilson to Fulham - £12 million. These are small fees, Tierney would probably cost double that alone Dan James at £25 million is probably the largest fee any of our players would get right now, maybe Neco would get around that too, but Robertson would probably cost £70 million and up So long story short, it's not a million miles away, our players do cost less |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Mar 31, 2022 23:14:14 GMT
We wouldn't be pot two. The lowest ranked team in pot two is Croatia, with a World Ranking of 16.
We'd be the second highest ranked team in Pot 3 if we were to have qualified on the scheduled date. But it's still a complete injustice, and the lack of foresight on this injustice is classically inept from FIFA.
I don't think there's been any period of time since 2015 where we haven't had a good enough FIFA ranking to be in at least Pot 3, yet we've ended up in Pot 4.
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Post by insertname on Apr 1, 2022 0:42:38 GMT
Honestly, I would have thought after being in pot 1 for the World Cup 2018 draw and drawing Serbia Austria and ROI that people would stop getting their knickers in a twist over seedings.
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Post by insertname on Apr 1, 2022 0:49:08 GMT
We wouldn't be pot two. The lowest ranked team in pot two is Croatia, with a World Ranking of 16. We'd be the second highest ranked team in Pot 3 if we were to have qualified on the scheduled date. But it's still a complete injustice, and the lack of foresight on this injustice is classically inept from FIFA. I don't think there's been any period of time since 2015 where we haven't had a good enough FIFA ranking to be in at least Pot 3, yet we've ended up in Pot 4. Exactly, pot 3 at best. It’s a marginal gain. Pots 1 and 2 look to be some way better than 3and 4 for the most part. If you look at results over the last year or so we have to be one of, if not the worst team to draw from pot 4 should we make it through. Scotland will no doubt think they are the team to avoid but when you look at Page’s only defeats coming against Belgium, France, Denmark and Italy it tells it’s own story that if you want to beat Wales we will make you work for it. |
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Post by morg on Apr 1, 2022 5:13:56 GMT
I would make us top of pot 3 but only because Qatar are hosts. We're 18th in Fifa rankings and Italy and Colombia (above us) didn't qualify.
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Post by flutterdinho on Apr 1, 2022 6:54:39 GMT
With coverage starting at 5, it will be 5.30 before the draw actually starts right?
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Post by jbt95 on Apr 1, 2022 11:56:21 GMT
With coverage starting at 5, it will be 5.30 before the draw actually starts right? BBC coverage ends at 6 I think so might be a bit earlier than 5.30. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 1, 2022 14:53:05 GMT
On the BBC article it said the last half hour will go live on the main BBC channel, so I'd imagine they are expecting the draw to take place around 5:30
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Post by CrackityJones on Apr 1, 2022 15:52:03 GMT
The draw continues at 1800 on BBC 2 so could go on for longer
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Post by insertname on Apr 1, 2022 16:07:03 GMT
I noticed at the top of the bbc page for the draw that it says:
“ Wales/Scotland/Ukraine, Costa Rica/New Zealand and UAE/Australia/Peru - qualifiers from these paths set to be decided in June”
So I guess we can be confident that the September nonsense has been kicked into touch?
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Post by quetzal on Apr 1, 2022 16:11:32 GMT
I noticed at the top of the bbc page for the draw that it says: “ Wales/Scotland/Ukraine, Costa Rica/New Zealand and UAE/Australia/Peru - qualifiers from these paths set to be decided in June” So I guess we can be confident that the September nonsense has been kicked into touch? I think that was Steve Clarke playing silly buggers. More in hope I reckon. Play one in June and the one against Wales in September. Looking for a rest. Personally I think Ukraine will pip Scotland. Penalties. |
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Post by insertname on Apr 1, 2022 16:17:54 GMT
I noticed at the top of the bbc page for the draw that it says: “ Wales/Scotland/Ukraine, Costa Rica/New Zealand and UAE/Australia/Peru - qualifiers from these paths set to be decided in June” So I guess we can be confident that the September nonsense has been kicked into touch? I think that was Steve Clarke playing silly buggers. More in hope I reckon. Play one in June and the one against Wales in September. Looking for a rest. Personally I think Ukraine will pip Scotland. Penalties. It seemed to be the party line, McCoist said September, some others in the media were running with it too. Utter nonsense imo, needs to be played ASAP. As for the outcome, I can’t call it - depends what state Ukraine are in when June rolls round |
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Post by CrackityJones on Apr 1, 2022 16:22:07 GMT
Anywhere else to watch other than BBC? Its nauseating
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Post by quetzal on Apr 1, 2022 16:30:34 GMT
Anywhere else to watch other than BBC? Its nauseating Lots on YouTube |
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Post by insertname on Apr 1, 2022 16:36:00 GMT
Just draw the bloody balls already!
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Post by quetzal on Apr 1, 2022 16:42:58 GMT
This is infuriating
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Post by robwrecsam on Apr 1, 2022 16:47:51 GMT
Has us being moved down to pot 4 been mentioned anywhere at all?
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Post by insertname on Apr 1, 2022 16:50:51 GMT
How on Earth do Gracenote make Canada one of the three strongest teams in pot 4?!
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