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Post by hooky on Dec 17, 2022 17:20:04 GMT
Perišić - 34 in February - big impact
Modric - 38 next year - massive impact
Both high energy impacts
Our golden oldies - injury affected into the run up to the tournament
Bale - looked totally immobile
Ramsey - his mind as much as his body was out of rythym. Nothing worked for him
Allen - Best of the 3. Did not do much but his performances were more commendable.
Why are our players so fragile / injury prone compared to teams like Croatia? Is it diet, exercise regime, dedication to the sport? Really bizarre.
There is no way Modric/Perišić should retire - look at them, especially compared to our younger golden trio!
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Post by hooky on Dec 17, 2022 17:23:18 GMT
I can see why Rodon is so poor at elite level. Defenders across almost all countries looks comfortable on the ball in tight areas. Rodon is not. I know Mepham has the odd mistake in him too, but he is far better technically.
Hard to admit but Rodon is just not composed enough at the top level. We need a decent couple of midfielders to break through so we can replace him with Ampadu as a first choice. Rodon is a decent player but will be a weakness if we ever get through to another tournament
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Post by maelor on Dec 17, 2022 17:35:30 GMT
Perišić - 34 in February - big impact Modric - 38 next year - massive impact Both high energy impacts Our golden oldies - injury affected into the run up to the tournament Bale - looked totally immobile Ramsey - his mind as much as his body was out of rythym. Nothing worked for him Allen - Best of the 3. Did not do much but his performances were more commendable. Why are our players so fragile / injury prone compared to teams like Croatia? Is it diet, exercise regime, dedication to the sport? Really bizarre. There is no way Modric/Perišić should retire - look at them, especially compared to our younger golden trio! Allen - "commendable"?!!. His 15 minutes against Iran was catastrophic, culminating in him needlessly gifting the Iranian's their first (and crucial) goal. |
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Post by hooky on Dec 17, 2022 17:43:21 GMT
Allen - I guess I am referring more to his effort versus England. Nothing brilliant but at least he was doing his job.
The catastrophe vs Iran was a combined efforts. One of our worst performances of all time - it was truly embarrassing - only Ampadu did not let himself down. They should have been beaten us by at least two goals before injury time hit us - so I would not single out Allen for that result, especially given the gaps that were left after our keeper decided to go kung fu fighting!.
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Post by jimexotic on Dec 17, 2022 19:16:37 GMT
Iran was our Scotland v Costa Rica, our England v Iceland.
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Post by iot on Dec 17, 2022 19:29:42 GMT
Iran was our Scotland v Costa Rica, our England v Iceland. That's ridiculous, we lost 8mins into injury time against what was arguably an evenly matched side. There's absolutely no comparison to England's loss against Iceland |
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Post by talyfan on Dec 17, 2022 21:22:53 GMT
If we lost to Bulgaria or Gibraltar that would be an equivalent of England losing to Iceland for us.
Before the game kicked off you'd have fancied either side no clear favourite.
We were absolutely outplayed mind didn't lay a single punch on Iran though
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Post by jimexotic on Dec 18, 2022 2:09:52 GMT
Iran was our Scotland v Costa Rica, our England v Iceland. That's ridiculous, we lost 8mins into injury time against what was arguably an evenly matched side. There's absolutely no comparison to England's loss against Iceland I don't think it is, they battered us all game and could have easily been 5-0. Considering the expectation going into the game it was a massive disappointment and a balls up on out part, England and the US both beat Iran and yet we made them look like the 1970's Brazil. |
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Post by barryscorcher on Dec 19, 2022 14:56:09 GMT
Have you considered that the expectation might’ve been over the top? Anyone who thought we were going to batter Iran - or even that we were favourites - is clueless imo. Sometimes I think we suffer from the London press and their Anglo-tinted perceptions of the ‘unfashionable’ countries. Not helped by England pasting them in game 1. Iran are a solid footballing nation and nobody outside the uk with any sense would’ve had us down as favourites to beat them. To claim that result is anything like England losing to Iceland is laughable
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Post by bale-droed on Dec 19, 2022 15:28:41 GMT
You’ve nailed it. We don’t have our own media. Our fans listen to talk sport and watch bt/match of day and sky sports so most of them have the same entitlement/ unrealistic expectations as the English . Here in Australia I entered in a luck dip competition with 31 other people. On the ranking board of teams you could draw Wales were 27th Iran about 15th. No one I was speaking to at my football team who isn’t from the uk thought for a second we would be getting out of the group
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Post by jimexotic on Dec 19, 2022 18:40:18 GMT
Have you considered that the expectation might’ve been over the top? Anyone who thought we were going to batter Iran - or even that we were favourites - is clueless imo. Sometimes I think we suffer from the London press and their Anglo-tinted perceptions of the ‘unfashionable’ countries. Not helped by England pasting them in game 1. Iran are a solid footballing nation and nobody outside the uk with any sense would’ve had us down as favourites to beat them. To claim that result is anything like England losing to Iceland is laughable I expected us to draw that game or lose 2-1, I told all of my mates before and after England played Iran that we'd draw or lose. I expected a lot more from us though because we were absolutely awful, we had nothing going forward, we were constantly wide open, we allowed them far too much time and space and when you look at the stats of players like Ramsey it tells you all you need to know about how careless we were that day. I don't expect us to steamroller anyone but I hope, leaning towards expect, that no matter what we turn up and are at least organised enough to be competitive in a game against sides of Iran's level, taking nothing away from Iran who have decent players, otherwise what's the point? Iceland had a very good Euro 2016, they lost one match, they drew with Portugal actually gave France quite a good game for a while so I don't think it's anywhere near as laughable as being made out which is why I draw comparisons with it and our match with Iran. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 19, 2022 18:49:26 GMT
We'll never know what you told 'all your mates', all we know is what you say here and to be fair its an over the top post that some are bound to find laughable.
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Post by jimexotic on Dec 19, 2022 21:26:48 GMT
What's over the top about it? Are you saying that Iceland at Euro 2016 weren't similar to Iran at this World Cup? It's a bit pompous to be calling a post laughable or implying that I had too higher expectations for the Iran game based on nothing other than the fact that I drew similarities with our poor performance and result against Iran and England's against Iceland. Never did I post anything in here saying that I thought we'd beat Iran and that it would be easy, I was well aware of how tough a game it could be just as England should have been against a side that got through their group unbeaten, a group that contained the eventual champions and side that knocked us out.
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Post by iot on Dec 19, 2022 22:22:19 GMT
That's ridiculous, we lost 8mins into injury time against what was arguably an evenly matched side. There's absolutely no comparison to England's loss against Iceland I don't think it is, they battered us all game and could have easily been 5-0. Considering the expectation going into the game it was a massive disappointment and a balls up on out part, England and the US both beat Iran and yet we made them look like the 1970's Brazil. 2 points. First on the expectation going in - barryscorcher has already nailed it. Just because lots of our fans were highly ignorant and had ridiculous expectations going into the game (talk of us needing to win by a few), it doesn't make the loss more of a shocker. 2nd point on the performance - I don't agree that they battered us. There were lots of periods in the game where we were on top, and had some very promising openings and a couple of really good chances. There were other periods where it was completely chaotic and we gambled way too much, leaving the defence completely exposed. But I think the emotion of the game has clouded your judgement slightly on how it actually played out. Interestingly, for all the talk on here about needing to go to a back 4, we looked much better in the first hour than we did the last half hour when we changed to 4 at the back. |
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Post by iot on Dec 19, 2022 22:26:21 GMT
We'll never know what you told 'all your mates', all we know is what you say here and to be fair its an over the top post that some are bound to find laughable. What's over the top about it? Are you saying that Iceland at Euro 2016 weren't similar to Iran at this World Cup? It's a bit pompous to be calling a post laughable or implying that I had too higher expectations for the Iran game based on nothing other than the fact that I drew similarities with our poor performance and result against Iran and England's against Iceland. Never did I post anything in here saying that I thought we'd beat Iran and that it would be easy, I was well aware of how tough a game it could be just as England should have been against a side that got through their group unbeaten, a group that contained the eventual champions and side that knocked us out. I think you're being disingenuous here. I think you described it as 'our England v Iceland moment', clearly implying that it was a highly embarrassing moment equivalent to that game. Now you're saying the England loss wasn't that surprising / embarrassing - if so, why bring it up? For the record, England's loss to Iceland was a huge, embarrassing shock due to the differences in resources and playing personnel, even accounting for how incredibly Iceland were playing above themselves at the time. Our loss against Iran is in no way comparable to that imo. |
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Post by insertname on Dec 19, 2022 22:34:23 GMT
I think people were aware beforehand that Iran were decent, based on their ranking. What altered that perspective was Iran getting dicked by England. England giving them a tonking, plus our draw against the US, created a narrative where we had to win against Iran because England were too good and Iran were too shit when the actual truth was in the middle of both extremes.
I stand by my assertion at the time that Iran rolled over and died for England. They showed them too much respect and after the first goal went in they started to down tools and rather like Costa Rica, focused on their next game, against us, rather than putting up a fight. They seemed to have a far less “hands off” approach against us and were far more robust, almost a different team.
So I can certainly understand how people fell into a trap of false security
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Post by jimexotic on Dec 19, 2022 22:56:31 GMT
What's over the top about it? Are you saying that Iceland at Euro 2016 weren't similar to Iran at this World Cup? It's a bit pompous to be calling a post laughable or implying that I had too higher expectations for the Iran game based on nothing other than the fact that I drew similarities with our poor performance and result against Iran and England's against Iceland. Never did I post anything in here saying that I thought we'd beat Iran and that it would be easy, I was well aware of how tough a game it could be just as England should have been against a side that got through their group unbeaten, a group that contained the eventual champions and side that knocked us out. I think you're being disingenuous here. I think you described it as 'our England v Iceland moment', clearly implying that it was a highly embarrassing moment equivalent to that game. Now you're saying the England loss wasn't that surprising / embarrassing - if so, why bring it up? For the record, England's loss to Iceland was a huge, embarrassing shock due to the differences in resources and playing personnel, even accounting for how incredibly Iceland were playing above themselves at the time. Our loss against Iran is in no way comparable to that imo. I think the Iran game had a similar shock feeling for us as the Iceland game for England purely because although many of us were well aware of how tough it could be it was the game, on paper, in the group was the one we all thought was our most likely chance of getting three points. The second half against Iran felt helpless which was a real shame. |
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Post by conwy10 on Dec 20, 2022 8:24:02 GMT
We started well against Iran. We were bossing it but they dug deep and found a way into the game, very similar to Denmark. When they got a foothold we fell off and were hanging on. No surprise Hennessey came running out as well couldn't deal with the strikers pace and didn't drop off. We just can't adapt in game.
The Iran loss was made 100 times worse by England's result. If we had played them first we might have held on for a credible draw.
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 20, 2022 9:22:38 GMT
The catastrophe vs Iran was a combined efforts. One of our worst performances of all time - it was truly embarrassing Try telling that to this guy. More talkshite levels of histrionics. |
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Post by jimbo82 on Dec 20, 2022 9:37:09 GMT
If we lost to Bulgaria or Gibraltar that would be an equivalent of England losing to Iceland for us. Before the game kicked off you'd have fancied either side no clear favourite. We were absolutely outplayed mind didn't lay a single punch on Iran though I don't think losing to Bulgaria (USA '94 semifinalists) would come anything close to being a shock defeat on the lines of England-Iceland. Disappointing, but not in the same league. Yes to Gibraltar though. |
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Post by hooky on Dec 20, 2022 11:18:41 GMT
The catastrophe vs Iran was a combined efforts. One of our worst performances of all time - it was truly embarrassing Try telling that to this guy. More talkshite levels of histrionics. ummm - did you think watching wave after wave of Iranian attacks via simple balls through the middle of the park, especially in the second half was acceptable? Iran are decent but they are not Brazil! We supposedly had two elite performers in our team and the vast majority of that team were Premiership players. If we were packed full of second division players then fine but we weren't. It was the worst performance 'when it mattered' that I have ever seen of a Welsh team. Against Russia, Scotland, Romania, etc, they had top quality players and we were not owned anywhere near as we were against Iran. Even Denmark did not simply walk through the middle of the pitch with ease when they thrashed us. It was horrible and it was great seeing my English work colleagues laughing at us! |
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Post by iot on Dec 20, 2022 12:01:39 GMT
Bloody hell, some people are really wedded to binary thinking. It is possible to think that 'wave after wave of Iranian attacks via simple balls through the middle' is not acceptable and was a very poor performance, and simultaneously think that describing it as 'one of our worst performances of all time' is ridiculously hysterical. Both can be true, and are true imo.
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Post by gwernybwch on Mar 26, 2023 9:43:21 GMT
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Post by welshrover on Mar 26, 2023 9:50:15 GMT
How have they stretched it to 48 minutes!! |
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Post by manulike on Mar 26, 2023 10:06:58 GMT
I'd rather watch paint dry :+( |
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