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Post by jimexotic on Nov 24, 2022 20:35:12 GMT
With all the talk of us being England B I just think it's best not to give people sticks to beat us with, he obviously realised what he'd done and changed it.
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Post by insertname on Nov 24, 2022 20:52:35 GMT
With all the talk of us being England B I just think it's best not to give people sticks to beat us with, he obviously realised what he'd done and changed it. I noticed earlier some England fan trying to stir things up with a stat that’s been doing the rounds about players born outside their country, with African sides utilising 40 French born players and Wales with 10 born outside. And yet this is the same country that was trying to naturalise Januzsaj when he looked like he might be any good. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 24, 2022 20:55:26 GMT
Iran's 1st choice keeper who got concussed in the last game is also out of this game. I think that will help us, and it certainly helped England. He is supposedly one of their best players
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 24, 2022 20:59:19 GMT
With all the talk of us being England B I just think it's best not to give people sticks to beat us with, he obviously realised what he'd done and changed it. I noticed earlier some England fan trying to stir things up with a stat that’s been doing the rounds about players born outside their country, with African sides utilising 40 French born players and Wales with 10 born outside. And yet this is the same country that was trying to naturalise Januzsaj when he looked like he might be any good. English exceptionalism knows no ends |
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Post by insertname on Nov 24, 2022 21:04:00 GMT
Iran's 1st choice keeper who got concussed in the last game is also out of this game. I think that will help us, and it certainly helped England. He is supposedly one of their best players Just look at how they tried to keep him on! Some serious lack of faith in the sub keeper. Maybe can also read into that why Iran were the only team to pick 4 keepers! I recall feeling he was a bit poor on one of the goals where the player cut inside because the shot was only just past him iirc, hardly one that was placed into the bottom corner. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 24, 2022 21:10:17 GMT
With all the talk of us being England B I just think it's best not to give people sticks to beat us with, he obviously realised what he'd done and changed it. with a stat that’s been doing the rounds about players born outside their country, with African sides utilising 40 French born players and Wales with 10 born outside. And yet this is the same country that was trying to naturalise Januzsaj when he looked like he might be any good. What I enjoy are the social media fans doing this while pretending they actually don't care at all about Wales, despite regularly talking about us, calling us England B, sheepshaggers etc completely unprompted |
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Post by morg on Nov 24, 2022 21:45:02 GMT
Some England players past and present born abroad
Stirling
Guehi
Terry Butcher
Hargreaves
John Barnes
Le Saux
Le Tissier
Quite a few caps there! Plenty more of their current squad could have played for other countries too.They're not above doing it when it suits them and when it comes to other sports both the rugbys, cricket etc, they make full use of 'foreign' picks. Population of 60 million. Our starting eleven the other night had 8 Welsh born and 2 with a Welsh parent. Don't see Ampadu as English as his Ghanaian dad who played for Ireland U21s happened to be playing for Exeter when he was born.
This England B attitude really pisses me off. We're a small nation and have been deprived of further selection pool by outward economic migration which bigger countries like England benefit from. Grandparent rule addresses that imbalance.
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Post by welshrover on Nov 24, 2022 22:15:25 GMT
Don't forget they were also trying to get German born Musuala (spelling) and are still trying for Portuguese born Fabio Carvalho (spelling again!!)
Looks like they may succeed with the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 17:33:48 GMT
So much for feeling uncomfortable with wanting england to win well tonight,doesn't matter now.Oh well and indeed bollocks.
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Post by hooky on Nov 25, 2022 18:03:23 GMT
Tonight's result is so irrelevant
England could beat us 7-0 if motivated
This is what I feared - watching us wimper out and play very poor football. No neutral will miss us and we are just pure boring. Some players scared, some unfit and our shape all over the place. We played a significant part in our downfall
I almost wish we did not make it to this WC - Ukraine would have been far, far better than us. I am embarrassed by the impression we are leaving the world - we should have been far better than that individually and collectively.
I just feel empty - almost like I don't care - its been so, so disappointing
Don't want to vent my unhappiness too much at Bale, Ramsey or Page - they have all contributed in us getting here and so they are in credit. I just wish Bale and Ramsey had more hunger to play football as their inaction finally caught up with us today. They need to decide if they still love the game or not at their age.
As for Page - I am just flabbergasted he could play 3 players not match fit and leave a massive gapping hole in our midfield. We are not a pub team - how could this happen? The US and Iran just ran straight through the middle of us again and again when on the front foot. Iran should have scored 5 against us. Embarrassing. We are suck with Page for 4 years and it seems so unlikely he can built a new team without the old guard, whereas like him or hate him - Giggs did that.
Please no one give me this shit about loyalty again - you need energy and edge. You need a youngish average squad age and you need players knowing of they disappointed, there is someone ready to take their place. If you don't do that you end up like a flat battery. Hennessey, Bale, Ramsey, Allen and Wilson - all short of match practise through injury, and Roberts awful - I presume because of losing his place at Burnley. Even players who have been OK lost control of the ball in key areas - both Neco and Moore did so in dangerous positions. We are down to 10 men and Page does nothing to adapt to it. We should be defensive at that moment but have players surging forward leaving massive gaps
Our golden era is behind us. With Bale and Ramsey, we were better than Scotland and both Irelands for much of the last decade. Their best days are behind them, nothing of the same quality is replacing them and we will return to mediocrity. Its a shame but its the cold honest truth isn't it?
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Post by foxmulder on Nov 25, 2022 18:36:04 GMT
As much as today sucked, we need some perspective.
10 years ago we only got 4k at Parc y Scarletts, losing 2-0 against Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Today we lost 2-0 in a World Cup group game.
And there's many people in Wales and potentially some posters here that didn't give a fuck about the national team then.
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Post by hooky on Nov 25, 2022 18:39:15 GMT
What do you think will happen to the crowds / the red wall if we play like this too often or fall back to our past mediocrity.
I think we all know.
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Post by foxmulder on Nov 25, 2022 18:42:58 GMT
The plastics will go back to supporting Ingerlund.
I'm cool with that. Facebook has fucked me right off today.
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Post by insertname on Nov 25, 2022 18:50:37 GMT
As much as today sucked, we need some perspective. 10 years ago we only got 4k at Parc y Scarletts, losing 2-0 against Bosnia and Herzegovina. Today we lost 2-0 in a World Cup group game. And there's many people in Wales and potentially some posters here that didn't give a fuck about the national team then. It’s a long way to come from feeling disappointed never to qualify at all to being disappointed that we played at the World Cup but we didn’t entertain the neutrals 😂 But for the grace of God….given the way things look at the moment we might be biting someone’s hand off to get shown up by Iran at a World Cup in a few years. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 25, 2022 18:52:11 GMT
What do you think will happen to the crowds / the red wall if we play like this too often or fall back to our past mediocrity. I think we all know. If people can’t do the hard yards they don’t deserve the good ones. Let them go back to rugby or whatever. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 25, 2022 19:33:04 GMT
England don’t look so good now do they?
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Post by hooky on Nov 25, 2022 19:35:12 GMT
We are actually shit at both rugby and football again after years of relative success!
I love Wales at both sports but the last week has been like being transported to being younger than 35 again, without the hair!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 19:36:27 GMT
U.S starting to boss the game a little bit,no subsitute for speed and players that can actually pass the ball under pressure,sure england will find a way to fluke it though
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Post by dai on Nov 25, 2022 19:50:41 GMT
England don’t look so good now do they? I dont think we’re in any position to say who don’t look good! |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 25, 2022 19:55:26 GMT
Tonight's result is so irrelevant England could beat us 7-0 if motivated This is what I feared - watching us wimper out and play very poor football. No neutral will miss us and we are just pure boring. Some players scared, some unfit and our shape all over the place. We played a significant part in our downfall I almost wish we did not make it to this WC - Ukraine would have been far, far better than us. I am embarrassed by the impression we are leaving the world - we should have been far better than that individually and collectively. I just feel empty - almost like I don't care - its been so, so disappointing Don't want to vent my unhappiness too much at Bale, Ramsey or Page - they have all contributed in us getting here and so they are in credit. I just wish Bale and Ramsey had more hunger to play football as their inaction finally caught up with us today. They need to decide if they still love the game or not at their age. As for Page - I am just flabbergasted he could play 3 players not match fit and leave a massive gapping hole in our midfield. We are not a pub team - how could this happen? The US and Iran just ran straight through the middle of us again and again when on the front foot. Iran should have scored 5 against us. Embarrassing. We are suck with Page for 4 years and it seems so unlikely he can built a new team without the old guard, whereas like him or hate him - Giggs did that. Please no one give me this shit about loyalty again - you need energy and edge. You need a youngish average squad age and you need players knowing of they disappointed, there is someone ready to take their place. If you don't do that you end up like a flat battery. Hennessey, Bale, Ramsey, Allen and Wilson - all short of match practise through injury, and Roberts awful - I presume because of losing his place at Burnley. Even players who have been OK lost control of the ball in key areas - both Neco and Moore did so in dangerous positions. We are down to 10 men and Page does nothing to adapt to it. We should be defensive at that moment but have players surging forward leaving massive gaps Our golden era is behind us. With Bale and Ramsey, we were better than Scotland and both Irelands for much of the last decade. Their best days are behind them, nothing of the same quality is replacing them and we will return to mediocrity. Its a shame but its the cold honest truth isn't it? Brilliant post completely agree. Page exposed for lack of leadership and his loyalty has made a fool of us. |
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Post by rushy on Nov 25, 2022 20:08:22 GMT
I don't know, but how many Qatari players are homegrown ?
It's the same in many sports now where the representatives of countries don't have any real connection.
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Post by insertname on Nov 25, 2022 20:09:31 GMT
England don’t look so good now do they? I dont think we’re in any position to say who don’t look good! We did better in the second half against the US than England are currently doing. The tone of this group was set by Iran’s pitiful showing against England and on this evidence if Iran had shown a little more gumption they might have got something and not given England a goal difference that means that if the US avoid defeat we are out. That’s not to excuse our deficiencies. Even if we went through it would be a waste of time. But it does rankle how Iran approached the England game and how they approached our game and the effect it’s had on the group |
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Post by ddirpytnop on Nov 25, 2022 20:10:53 GMT
Tonight's result is so irrelevant England could beat us 7-0 if motivated This is what I feared - watching us wimper out and play very poor football. No neutral will miss us and we are just pure boring. Some players scared, some unfit and our shape all over the place. We played a significant part in our downfall I almost wish we did not make it to this WC - Ukraine would have been far, far better than us. I am embarrassed by the impression we are leaving the world - we should have been far better than that individually and collectively. I just feel empty - almost like I don't care - its been so, so disappointing Don't want to vent my unhappiness too much at Bale, Ramsey or Page - they have all contributed in us getting here and so they are in credit. I just wish Bale and Ramsey had more hunger to play football as their inaction finally caught up with us today. They need to decide if they still love the game or not at their age. As for Page - I am just flabbergasted he could play 3 players not match fit and leave a massive gapping hole in our midfield. We are not a pub team - how could this happen? The US and Iran just ran straight through the middle of us again and again when on the front foot. Iran should have scored 5 against us. Embarrassing. We are suck with Page for 4 years and it seems so unlikely he can built a new team without the old guard, whereas like him or hate him - Giggs did that. Please no one give me this shit about loyalty again - you need energy and edge. You need a youngish average squad age and you need players knowing of they disappointed, there is someone ready to take their place. If you don't do that you end up like a flat battery. Hennessey, Bale, Ramsey, Allen and Wilson - all short of match practise through injury, and Roberts awful - I presume because of losing his place at Burnley. Even players who have been OK lost control of the ball in key areas - both Neco and Moore did so in dangerous positions. We are down to 10 men and Page does nothing to adapt to it. We should be defensive at that moment but have players surging forward leaving massive gaps Our golden era is behind us. With Bale and Ramsey, we were better than Scotland and both Irelands for much of the last decade. Their best days are behind them, nothing of the same quality is replacing them and we will return to mediocrity. Its a shame but its the cold honest truth isn't it? Brilliant post completely agree. Page exposed for lack of leadership and his loyalty has made a fool of us. Who exactly has he made a fool of? He may have made some errors but he's neither set out to deceive nor outsmarted 'us' in some way. In fairness to him, he's done a fair bit more for his country than most, both as a player and as a manager. Care to set out what you have achieved? |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 25, 2022 20:37:33 GMT
I don't think Page is to blame here, he is if he doesn't learn from this.
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 25, 2022 20:42:26 GMT
I don't think Page is to blame here, he is if he doesn't learn from this. I'm not particularly optimistic he will learn from it.. |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 25, 2022 20:47:53 GMT
He took us to a World Cup finals, for that we can be eternally grateful
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2022 20:53:51 GMT
So yeah beat England 4-0. How else can we qualify? Is this head to head or goal difference?
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Post by futbolguru on Nov 25, 2022 20:55:24 GMT
England still can't beat us at a World Cup. Third try and still winless.
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Post by djb77 on Nov 25, 2022 20:56:07 GMT
If Iran and USA draw, then just a win for us will do?
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Post by djb77 on Nov 25, 2022 20:56:51 GMT
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