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Post by 60sred on Jul 10, 2022 19:55:46 GMT
As you say goalkeeper has never been a problem in recent years. Just interested to know if the world cup will receive much coverage from your networks as its sort of at crunch time in the NFL also how the time difference is going to be awkward for viewers and are your fans excited about the group they have drawn. The NFL is by far the biggest sport here. The good news is the late game in Qatar is the only one that will play simultaneously against the NFL and that is only on Sunday. The cup will get great coverage but the problem is Fox Sports has the rights and they are shit! I will definitely watch the matches on BBC and ITV. I feel like Fox tries to dumb down the sport for novice viewers. 30 years ago I would understand but now it makes no sense. Fans are happy with the group. The Premier League is the most popular league by far here so everyone knows the English players. We've played England twice in the WC; 1 win, 1 draw. Fans don't look at them as unbeatable but know they are the favorites. As for Wales and Iran, they believe we can win these matches as I'm sure the fans of Wales and Iran feel the same way they think they'll beat the US. I've made my feelings known what I think. I look at this WC as gaining as much experience as possible for 2026. We have another group of 16-19 year old players that look extremely promising to go with the current young group. The country is starting to produce a lot of really good talent. |
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Post by 60sred on Jul 10, 2022 19:58:54 GMT
Do you think that even if you have a young side with talent they are under pressure to produce results with being hosts next time. Also that your womens side is ranked number 1 in the world.
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Post by futbolguru on Jul 10, 2022 20:59:02 GMT
Do you think that even if you have a young side with talent they are under pressure to produce results with being hosts next time. Also that your womens side is ranked number 1 in the world. Good question. I don't think so as with the massive failure last cycle fans just want to see their country play in the WC again. Plus a lot of these players are so young I think they want to show what they can do. I think 2026 will be the pressure cooker. People will expect results and that's when things can take a turn for the worse if you're not mentally strong. The women being so good really doesn't affect the men. People in this country know that Basketball and Football (soccer) are the biggest sports for women. We are lucky when a good male athlete chooses Football over American Football, Basketball, Baseball or Hockey. |
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Post by mikejones on Jul 11, 2022 4:28:05 GMT
Do you think that even if you have a young side with talent they are under pressure to produce results with being hosts next time. Also that your womens side is ranked number 1 in the world. Good question. I don't think so as with the massive failure last cycle fans just want to see their country play in the WC again. Plus a lot of these players are so young I think they want to show what they can do. I think 2026 will be the pressure cooker. People will expect results and that's when things can take a turn for the worse if you're not mentally strong. The women being so good really doesn't affect the men. People in this country know that Basketball and Football (soccer) are the biggest sports for women. We are lucky when a good male athlete chooses Football over American Football, Basketball, Baseball or Hockey.Has there ever been a USMNT player who had big time football or basketball scholarship offers or who was drafted highly in MLB out of high school? There are guys all over the NFL, NBA, and MLB who had decent shots at a pro career in another sport if they'd chosen it out of high school. I can't recall any big US soccer players who had other opportunities. |
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Post by mikejones on Jul 11, 2022 4:37:50 GMT
Do you think that even if you have a young side with talent they are under pressure to produce results with being hosts next time. Also that your womens side is ranked number 1 in the world. The expectations for the USMNT have been the same since I can remember. Not getting out of the group at a World Cup is failure. Anything beyond that is not expected, but would be nice. In between World Cups, beat Mexico if we are playing at home and don't lose to anybody else in CONCACAF. At this point, I'm not sure if expectations will ever go up or down, even when we host in 2026. It seems like expectations are locked into a certain spot. I don't think fans use the success of the women's team against the men's team. The members of the women's team do compare themselves to the men's team when arguing with US Soccer over pay, but the general public separates the two teams. |
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Post by futbolguru on Jul 11, 2022 5:45:23 GMT
Good question. I don't think so as with the massive failure last cycle fans just want to see their country play in the WC again. Plus a lot of these players are so young I think they want to show what they can do. I think 2026 will be the pressure cooker. People will expect results and that's when things can take a turn for the worse if you're not mentally strong. The women being so good really doesn't affect the men. People in this country know that Basketball and Football (soccer) are the biggest sports for women. We are lucky when a good male athlete chooses Football over American Football, Basketball, Baseball or Hockey.Has there ever been a USMNT player who had big time football or basketball scholarship offers or who was drafted highly in MLB out of high school? There are guys all over the NFL, NBA, and MLB who had decent shots at a pro career in another sport if they'd chosen it out of high school. I can't recall any big US soccer players who had other opportunities. Off of the top of my head: Tim Howard - Basketball Taylor Twellman - Baseball Jay Heaps played basketball at Duke. |
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Post by 60sred on Jul 11, 2022 6:30:16 GMT
I thought I'd do an overview who I think will start for the US vs Wales. Goalkeeper: One of our weakest areas which is shocking for a US fan when we've had Kasey Keller, Brad Friedel and Tim Howard for almost 25 years straight. Matt Turner (28 years old) (Arsenal): He's not the best with his feet but he is a great shot stopper. His issue is he transferred to Arsenal and will be a backup to Ramsdale. Future is bright with Gabriel Slonina in line for 2026. At 18, he is too raw but he's about to transfer to Chelsea or Real Madrid this window as he has all of the tools. Right Back Sergino Dest (21) (Barcelona): Very quick skillful player. Not the best defender as his positioning awareness can cause issues. Better as a wingback but we play 4-3-3 almost exclusively. Center back: Our starting LCB tore his Achilles and will miss the WC. John Brooks (Wolfsburg) has been left off of the team for almost a year and it doesn't look like the gaffer rates him which a lot of the fan base is pissed at. Walker Zimmerman (29) (Nashville): Locked in starter. Don't let him playing in MLS fool you (He gets paid extremely well). He would start in a mid table PL team. He's not the quickest but reads the game well, vocal and absolutely dominate in the air. Chris Richards (22) (Bayern Munich): Some people might say Aaron Long will start but I feel Richards will as he compliments Zimmerman's skill set. He has been loaned to Hoffenheim the last 2 years and was a locked in starter when not injured. He will probably be sold this window but Munich will put a buy-back clause in. Left Back: Antonee Robinson (24) (Fulham): Very rapid player and decent crosser. He has too many lapse of concentration imo but our depth is thin at this position. We have 2 good young prospects playing in Germany but they are not ready to take his position. We play a 3 man midfield and if all 3 are healthy, this will definitely be the starters. Defensive Midfield: Tyler Adams (23) (Leeds): Not the best player on the team but the most important imo. We have no one else like him. The player the gaffer selects as his backup is rubbish. Not totally the gaffers fault as the country doesn't have anyone currently that can do the business. Adams is very intelligent, aggressive, high work rate and good in the tackle. He sometimes gives possession away too cheaply and his aggressive style can sometimes cause him to get turned. He was a starter for 3 years at Leipzig until the 2nd half of this year as Tedesco started playing Konrad Laimer in his position to get more skill and offensive firepower from deep. He just transferred to Leeds. Central Midfield: Yunes Musah (19) (Valencia): At Valencia, he plays wide, for the US, he plays in the middle. He is a very dynamic player that has skill, quickness and a good work rate. Once he starts to dribble and turns his man he can be a handful to get the ball from. His main issues (youthful issues imo) are holding onto the ball for too long when he should pass and trying to dribble out of traffic a little too much that can cause a turnover leading to a counter. He has an extremely bright future. Weston McKinnie (23) (Juventus): He doesn't do anything great, he does almost everything real well if that makes sense. For Juve he plays as a Mezzela, for the US he is more of a box to box. He loves to make runs into the box from deep. He was really the only scoring threat from midfield for Juve. Not the tallest but really good in the air. Attacking Mid/Forwards: AML: Christian Pulisic (23) Chelsea: When healthy, a tricky quick player. The issue is since his hamstring issues from 2021 he's never regained is acceleration and pace which were top drawer. He's still a good player but not as dynamic imo. His finishing is not as clinical as you would like but he's not horrible either. AMR: Timothy Weah (22) Lille: Son of former Ballon d'Or winner George Weah. Weah was fantastic in the qualifying games towards the end of the cycle. He has pace, good dribbling skills and a good crosser of the ball. Another player that battled injuries for a lot of the season with Lille. If healthy he is a major threat. For: Jesus Ferreira (21) FC Dallas: I chose Ferreira but it could be anyone of Ricardo Pepe, Jordon Siebatcheu, Haji Wright, Darrel Dike, etc. Weakest position on the team as most of these players become inept once they put the US shirt on. This is the one position that will come down to who is in the best form. 2 players I have to mention that will see time are Brenden Aaronson (21) (Leeds) and Gio Reyna (19) (Borussia Dortmund). Aaronson is quick, skillful, good in tight spaces and has world class stamina and work rate. He sometimes presses too hard looking like a headless chicken at times but damn he doesn't stop. Reyna is the player with the highest potential in this group and that is high praise with the young talent the US is producing. At 17-18 years old he was a starter with Dortmund linking up perfectly with Haaland. His biggest issue the past year is hamstring and groin injuries. He missed most of this past season with Dortmund. Before the injury riddled season a lot of the German press named him the next Zidane as his skill, big frame, vision are next level especially for his age. Without injury, he would definitely start. Looking at your starting 11 noticed only 1 based in US, is it possible that the drain of player to Europe is not helping your national side . Is the main reason money due to salary caps and not on level playing field to the amounts of money the other major sports can provide . The US just needs one global superstar of their own to be based in the MLS then i can see them becoming a force. |
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Post by mikejones on Jul 11, 2022 6:56:03 GMT
I thought I'd do an overview who I think will start for the US vs Wales. Goalkeeper: One of our weakest areas which is shocking for a US fan when we've had Kasey Keller, Brad Friedel and Tim Howard for almost 25 years straight. Matt Turner (28 years old) (Arsenal): He's not the best with his feet but he is a great shot stopper. His issue is he transferred to Arsenal and will be a backup to Ramsdale. Future is bright with Gabriel Slonina in line for 2026. At 18, he is too raw but he's about to transfer to Chelsea or Real Madrid this window as he has all of the tools. Right Back Sergino Dest (21) (Barcelona): Very quick skillful player. Not the best defender as his positioning awareness can cause issues. Better as a wingback but we play 4-3-3 almost exclusively. Center back: Our starting LCB tore his Achilles and will miss the WC. John Brooks (Wolfsburg) has been left off of the team for almost a year and it doesn't look like the gaffer rates him which a lot of the fan base is pissed at. Walker Zimmerman (29) (Nashville): Locked in starter. Don't let him playing in MLS fool you (He gets paid extremely well). He would start in a mid table PL team. He's not the quickest but reads the game well, vocal and absolutely dominate in the air. Chris Richards (22) (Bayern Munich): Some people might say Aaron Long will start but I feel Richards will as he compliments Zimmerman's skill set. He has been loaned to Hoffenheim the last 2 years and was a locked in starter when not injured. He will probably be sold this window but Munich will put a buy-back clause in. Left Back: Antonee Robinson (24) (Fulham): Very rapid player and decent crosser. He has too many lapse of concentration imo but our depth is thin at this position. We have 2 good young prospects playing in Germany but they are not ready to take his position. We play a 3 man midfield and if all 3 are healthy, this will definitely be the starters. Defensive Midfield: Tyler Adams (23) (Leeds): Not the best player on the team but the most important imo. We have no one else like him. The player the gaffer selects as his backup is rubbish. Not totally the gaffers fault as the country doesn't have anyone currently that can do the business. Adams is very intelligent, aggressive, high work rate and good in the tackle. He sometimes gives possession away too cheaply and his aggressive style can sometimes cause him to get turned. He was a starter for 3 years at Leipzig until the 2nd half of this year as Tedesco started playing Konrad Laimer in his position to get more skill and offensive firepower from deep. He just transferred to Leeds. Central Midfield: Yunes Musah (19) (Valencia): At Valencia, he plays wide, for the US, he plays in the middle. He is a very dynamic player that has skill, quickness and a good work rate. Once he starts to dribble and turns his man he can be a handful to get the ball from. His main issues (youthful issues imo) are holding onto the ball for too long when he should pass and trying to dribble out of traffic a little too much that can cause a turnover leading to a counter. He has an extremely bright future. Weston McKinnie (23) (Juventus): He doesn't do anything great, he does almost everything real well if that makes sense. For Juve he plays as a Mezzela, for the US he is more of a box to box. He loves to make runs into the box from deep. He was really the only scoring threat from midfield for Juve. Not the tallest but really good in the air. Attacking Mid/Forwards: AML: Christian Pulisic (23) Chelsea: When healthy, a tricky quick player. The issue is since his hamstring issues from 2021 he's never regained is acceleration and pace which were top drawer. He's still a good player but not as dynamic imo. His finishing is not as clinical as you would like but he's not horrible either. AMR: Timothy Weah (22) Lille: Son of former Ballon d'Or winner George Weah. Weah was fantastic in the qualifying games towards the end of the cycle. He has pace, good dribbling skills and a good crosser of the ball. Another player that battled injuries for a lot of the season with Lille. If healthy he is a major threat. For: Jesus Ferreira (21) FC Dallas: I chose Ferreira but it could be anyone of Ricardo Pepe, Jordon Siebatcheu, Haji Wright, Darrel Dike, etc. Weakest position on the team as most of these players become inept once they put the US shirt on. This is the one position that will come down to who is in the best form. 2 players I have to mention that will see time are Brenden Aaronson (21) (Leeds) and Gio Reyna (19) (Borussia Dortmund). Aaronson is quick, skillful, good in tight spaces and has world class stamina and work rate. He sometimes presses too hard looking like a headless chicken at times but damn he doesn't stop. Reyna is the player with the highest potential in this group and that is high praise with the young talent the US is producing. At 17-18 years old he was a starter with Dortmund linking up perfectly with Haaland. His biggest issue the past year is hamstring and groin injuries. He missed most of this past season with Dortmund. Before the injury riddled season a lot of the German press named him the next Zidane as his skill, big frame, vision are next level especially for his age. Without injury, he would definitely start. Looking at your starting 11 noticed only 1 based in US, is it possible that the drain of player to Europe is not helping your national side . Is the main reason money due to salary caps and not on level playing field to the amounts of money the other major sports can provide . The US just needs one global superstar of their own to be based in the MLS then i can see them becoming a force. There is pressure on potential USMNT prospects to give it a go in Europe, even for the ones who would prefer to play in North America. The thought process is that they need to play in that environment to reach their full potential. It's not money. |
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Post by mikejones on Jul 11, 2022 6:59:59 GMT
As you say goalkeeper has never been a problem in recent years. Just interested to know if the world cup will receive much coverage from your networks as its sort of at crunch time in the NFL also how the time difference is going to be awkward for viewers and are your fans excited about the group they have drawn. The NFL is by far the biggest sport here. The good news is the late game in Qatar is the only one that will play simultaneously against the NFL and that is only on Sunday. I think the US games will do just as good as during a normally scheduled World Cup. I do suspect that the ratings for non-US matches will be less than they would otherwise be and overall attention will be down. |
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Post by futbolguru on Jul 11, 2022 9:27:39 GMT
Do you think that even if you have a young side with talent they are under pressure to produce results with being hosts next time. Also that your womens side is ranked number 1 in the world. The expectations for the USMNT have been the same since I can remember. Not getting out of the group at a World Cup is failure. I agree with this. 2026 will be different though imo. Just getting out of the group and losing the next match will be considered a failure with this group of players in their prime. |
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Post by futbolguru on Jul 11, 2022 9:46:29 GMT
The NFL is by far the biggest sport here. The good news is the late game in Qatar is the only one that will play simultaneously against the NFL and that is only on Sunday. I do suspect that the ratings for non-US matches will be less than they would otherwise be and overall attention will be down. The ratings will be fine. The US was not in 2018 Russia and the ratings were good. I think Qatar is around the same time zone (Moscow/St. Petersburg). The only time zone that will suffer is Pacific (LA, Seattle) for the 1st match of the day. The Japan/Korea WC in 2002 was tough because most of the matches were in the middle of the night. I watched every match but I had to adjust my sleeping schedule. |
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Post by futbolguru on Jul 11, 2022 10:01:07 GMT
I thought I'd do an overview who I think will start for the US vs Wales. Goalkeeper: One of our weakest areas which is shocking for a US fan when we've had Kasey Keller, Brad Friedel and Tim Howard for almost 25 years straight. Matt Turner (28 years old) (Arsenal): He's not the best with his feet but he is a great shot stopper. His issue is he transferred to Arsenal and will be a backup to Ramsdale. Future is bright with Gabriel Slonina in line for 2026. At 18, he is too raw but he's about to transfer to Chelsea or Real Madrid this window as he has all of the tools. Right Back Sergino Dest (21) (Barcelona): Very quick skillful player. Not the best defender as his positioning awareness can cause issues. Better as a wingback but we play 4-3-3 almost exclusively. Center back: Our starting LCB tore his Achilles and will miss the WC. John Brooks (Wolfsburg) has been left off of the team for almost a year and it doesn't look like the gaffer rates him which a lot of the fan base is pissed at. Walker Zimmerman (29) (Nashville): Locked in starter. Don't let him playing in MLS fool you (He gets paid extremely well). He would start in a mid table PL team. He's not the quickest but reads the game well, vocal and absolutely dominate in the air. Chris Richards (22) (Bayern Munich): Some people might say Aaron Long will start but I feel Richards will as he compliments Zimmerman's skill set. He has been loaned to Hoffenheim the last 2 years and was a locked in starter when not injured. He will probably be sold this window but Munich will put a buy-back clause in. Left Back: Antonee Robinson (24) (Fulham): Very rapid player and decent crosser. He has too many lapse of concentration imo but our depth is thin at this position. We have 2 good young prospects playing in Germany but they are not ready to take his position. We play a 3 man midfield and if all 3 are healthy, this will definitely be the starters. Defensive Midfield: Tyler Adams (23) (Leeds): Not the best player on the team but the most important imo. We have no one else like him. The player the gaffer selects as his backup is rubbish. Not totally the gaffers fault as the country doesn't have anyone currently that can do the business. Adams is very intelligent, aggressive, high work rate and good in the tackle. He sometimes gives possession away too cheaply and his aggressive style can sometimes cause him to get turned. He was a starter for 3 years at Leipzig until the 2nd half of this year as Tedesco started playing Konrad Laimer in his position to get more skill and offensive firepower from deep. He just transferred to Leeds. Central Midfield: Yunes Musah (19) (Valencia): At Valencia, he plays wide, for the US, he plays in the middle. He is a very dynamic player that has skill, quickness and a good work rate. Once he starts to dribble and turns his man he can be a handful to get the ball from. His main issues (youthful issues imo) are holding onto the ball for too long when he should pass and trying to dribble out of traffic a little too much that can cause a turnover leading to a counter. He has an extremely bright future. Weston McKinnie (23) (Juventus): He doesn't do anything great, he does almost everything real well if that makes sense. For Juve he plays as a Mezzela, for the US he is more of a box to box. He loves to make runs into the box from deep. He was really the only scoring threat from midfield for Juve. Not the tallest but really good in the air. Attacking Mid/Forwards: AML: Christian Pulisic (23) Chelsea: When healthy, a tricky quick player. The issue is since his hamstring issues from 2021 he's never regained is acceleration and pace which were top drawer. He's still a good player but not as dynamic imo. His finishing is not as clinical as you would like but he's not horrible either. AMR: Timothy Weah (22) Lille: Son of former Ballon d'Or winner George Weah. Weah was fantastic in the qualifying games towards the end of the cycle. He has pace, good dribbling skills and a good crosser of the ball. Another player that battled injuries for a lot of the season with Lille. If healthy he is a major threat. For: Jesus Ferreira (21) FC Dallas: I chose Ferreira but it could be anyone of Ricardo Pepe, Jordon Siebatcheu, Haji Wright, Darrel Dike, etc. Weakest position on the team as most of these players become inept once they put the US shirt on. This is the one position that will come down to who is in the best form. 2 players I have to mention that will see time are Brenden Aaronson (21) (Leeds) and Gio Reyna (19) (Borussia Dortmund). Aaronson is quick, skillful, good in tight spaces and has world class stamina and work rate. He sometimes presses too hard looking like a headless chicken at times but damn he doesn't stop. Reyna is the player with the highest potential in this group and that is high praise with the young talent the US is producing. At 17-18 years old he was a starter with Dortmund linking up perfectly with Haaland. His biggest issue the past year is hamstring and groin injuries. He missed most of this past season with Dortmund. Before the injury riddled season a lot of the German press named him the next Zidane as his skill, big frame, vision are next level especially for his age. Without injury, he would definitely start. Looking at your starting 11 noticed only 1 based in US, is it possible that the drain of player to Europe is not helping your national side . Is the main reason money due to salary caps and not on level playing field to the amounts of money the other major sports can provide . The US just needs one global superstar of their own to be based in the MLS then i can see them becoming a force. As Mikejones said a good player is expected to move to Europe. Landon Donovan was one of our best players of all time and he was looked at by a lot of people as unambitious because he played the majority of his career in MLS. It's not about the money as there is a ton of money being spent in MLS (designated player contracts). MLS wants parity in the league, that is one of the reasons for a salary cap. If there was no salary cap, most foreign players would want to play in New York, LA, Miami creating a situation that is seen in Europe (most of the same teams winning (Bayern, City, Real Madrid) their league). |
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Post by 60sred on Jul 11, 2022 10:49:15 GMT
Looking at your starting 11 noticed only 1 based in US, is it possible that the drain of player to Europe is not helping your national side . Is the main reason money due to salary caps and not on level playing field to the amounts of money the other major sports can provide . The US just needs one global superstar of their own to be based in the MLS then i can see them becoming a force. As Mikejones said a good player is expected to move to Europe. Landon Donovan was one of our best players of all time and he was looked at by a lot of people as unambitious because he played the majority of his career in MLS. It's not about the money as there is a ton of money being spent in MLS (designated player contracts). MLS wants parity in the league, that is one of the reasons for a salary cap. If there was no salary cap, most foreign players would want to play in New York, LA, Miami creating a situation that is seen in Europe (most of the same teams winning (Bayern, City, Real Madrid) their league). i wish a salary cap would come into place in the prem league to create more parity between the teams. i know there has been a major rise in the number of american and canadian players in the MLS but are the majority of designated player contracts by the teams still given to the overseas players ? |
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Post by mikejones on Jul 11, 2022 11:22:08 GMT
I do suspect that the ratings for non-US matches will be less than they would otherwise be and overall attention will be down. The ratings will be fine. The US was not in 2018 Russia and the ratings were good. I think Qatar is around the same time zone (Moscow/St. Petersburg). The only time zone that will suffer is Pacific (LA, Seattle) for the 1st match of the day. The Japan/Korea WC in 2002 was tough because most of the matches were in the middle of the night. I watched every match but I had to adjust my sleeping schedule. Football is going to murder Saturday and Sunday ratings, even if most of the games aren't directly head to head. Wives aren't going to allow their husbands to sit around and watch both.  |
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Post by mikejones on Jul 11, 2022 11:32:47 GMT
As Mikejones said a good player is expected to move to Europe. Landon Donovan was one of our best players of all time and he was looked at by a lot of people as unambitious because he played the majority of his career in MLS. It's not about the money as there is a ton of money being spent in MLS (designated player contracts). MLS wants parity in the league, that is one of the reasons for a salary cap. If there was no salary cap, most foreign players would want to play in New York, LA, Miami creating a situation that is seen in Europe (most of the same teams winning (Bayern, City, Real Madrid) their league). i wish a salary cap would come into place in the prem league to create more parity between the teams. i know there has been a major rise in the number of american and canadian players in the MLS but are the majority of designated player contracts by the teams still given to the overseas players ? Yes, but that has as much to do with all the current national team guys being younger and playing overseas. Towards the middle of last decade when a bunch of our national team guys at the time (Tim Howard, DeMarcus Beasley, Clint Dempsey, Michael Bradley, etc) were coming back from Europe, the MLS was full of Americans on designated player contracts. |
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Post by futbolguru on Jul 11, 2022 11:45:40 GMT
The ratings will be fine. The US was not in 2018 Russia and the ratings were good. I think Qatar is around the same time zone (Moscow/St. Petersburg). The only time zone that will suffer is Pacific (LA, Seattle) for the 1st match of the day. The Japan/Korea WC in 2002 was tough because most of the matches were in the middle of the night. I watched every match but I had to adjust my sleeping schedule. Football is going to murder Saturday and Sunday ratings, even if most of the games aren't directly head to head. Wives aren't going to allow their husbands to sit around and watch both. That's just 2 days out of 7. Also on Saturday the college games will start around the 3rd match of the day. The biggest hindrance is Fox having the rights. |
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Post by 60sred on Jul 11, 2022 12:21:45 GMT
i wish a salary cap would come into place in the prem league to create more parity between the teams. i know there has been a major rise in the number of american and canadian players in the MLS but are the majority of designated player contracts by the teams still given to the overseas players ? Yes, but that has as much to do with all the current national team guys being younger and playing overseas. Towards the middle of last decade when a bunch of our national team guys at the time (Tim Howard, DeMarcus Beasley, Clint Dempsey, Michael Bradley, etc) were coming back from Europe, the MLS was full of Americans on designated player contracts. What is the standard of your coaches/managers like , does the parity of the playing squads help to identify the good ones from the bad ones. British managers never seem to be able to get a crack at the top jobs in the Prem League . Not saying that Klopp Pep, Conti and co are bad managers but it does help with the ability of the playing squads they are able to call upon. |
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Post by mikejones on Jul 12, 2022 5:00:59 GMT
Yes, but that has as much to do with all the current national team guys being younger and playing overseas. Towards the middle of last decade when a bunch of our national team guys at the time (Tim Howard, DeMarcus Beasley, Clint Dempsey, Michael Bradley, etc) were coming back from Europe, the MLS was full of Americans on designated player contracts. What is the standard of your coaches/managers like , does the parity of the playing squads help to identify the good ones from the bad ones. British managers never seem to be able to get a crack at the top jobs in the Prem League . Not saying that Klopp Pep, Conti and co are bad managers but it does help with the ability of the playing squads they are able to call upon. That's actually a really interesting question. I hardly follow MLS, but I would be interested to know the thoughts of more knowledgeable people about how the salary cap affects the ability to separate the good managers from the bad in that particular league. I can tell you that in the other US sports, the tighter the cap and the more revenue is split equally, the more it obviously separates quality front office executives and ownership from the field. It's still the case that the best coaches will probably fail if they have a crap front office. The parity in US professional sports doesn't mean that the gap between the good and the bad in any given year is smaller. It means that teams aren't semi-permanently locked into tiers based off of history or economic factors out of their control. Or at least not to the extent that it seems happens in big time European sports. Do you think the foreign managers of all the top Premier league clubs actually do a better job for those teams than if the positions went to the top British candidates? |
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Post by 60sred on Jul 12, 2022 5:50:47 GMT
What is the standard of your coaches/managers like , does the parity of the playing squads help to identify the good ones from the bad ones. British managers never seem to be able to get a crack at the top jobs in the Prem League . Not saying that Klopp Pep, Conti and co are bad managers but it does help with the ability of the playing squads they are able to call upon. That's actually a really interesting question. I hardly follow MLS, but I would be interested to know the thoughts of more knowledgeable people about how the salary cap affects the ability to separate the good managers from the bad in that particular league. I can tell you that in the other US sports, the tighter the cap and the more revenue is split equally, the more it obviously separates quality front office executives and ownership from the field. It's still the case that the best coaches will probably fail if they have a crap front office. The parity in US professional sports doesn't mean that the gap between the good and the bad in any given year is smaller. It means that teams aren't semi-permanently locked into tiers based off of history or economic factors out of their control. Or at least not to the extent that it seems happens in big time European sports. Do you think the foreign managers of all the top Premier league clubs actually do a better job for those teams than if the positions went to the top British candidates? Its difficult to make a decision on that at the moment. With the game being more global and overseas ownership becoming larger in the Prem League the opportunity seems to have dropped. Will be interesting to see what length of time Eddie Howe is given at Newcastle. Are all North American sports team owned by American or Canadian owners as i dont recall any person other than Beckham having a stake in any team. Do you think this allows owners to select from American coaches also with no fear of relegation due to how the leagues are set up ? |
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Post by mikejones on Jul 12, 2022 6:55:36 GMT
That's actually a really interesting question. I hardly follow MLS, but I would be interested to know the thoughts of more knowledgeable people about how the salary cap affects the ability to separate the good managers from the bad in that particular league. I can tell you that in the other US sports, the tighter the cap and the more revenue is split equally, the more it obviously separates quality front office executives and ownership from the field. It's still the case that the best coaches will probably fail if they have a crap front office. The parity in US professional sports doesn't mean that the gap between the good and the bad in any given year is smaller. It means that teams aren't semi-permanently locked into tiers based off of history or economic factors out of their control. Or at least not to the extent that it seems happens in big time European sports. Do you think the foreign managers of all the top Premier league clubs actually do a better job for those teams than if the positions went to the top British candidates? Its difficult to make a decision on that at the moment. With the game being more global and overseas ownership becoming larger in the Prem League the opportunity seems to have dropped. Will be interesting to see what length of time Eddie Howe is given at Newcastle. Are all North American sports team owned by American or Canadian owners as i dont recall any person other than Beckham having a stake in any team. Do you think this allows owners to select from American coaches also with no fear of relegation due to how the leagues are set up ? The MLS setup is interesting. Everything is centrally owned. So when you buy a "franchise" what you are actually buying is shares in MLS and then you get to operate a specific club. For practical purposes, I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if this unique set up leads to any special quirks. I'm pretty sure almost all the owners are North American. I know the Red Bulls got their name when they were bought by the drink company. I'm assuming they're still the owners. There might be one or two more. I'd wager that the MLS isn't high profile enough globally to draw much foreign ownership interest. There's also some people who claim it's just a giant ponzi scheme surviving on massive expansion fees for new clubs. I can't really say whether that theory has validity. Foreign ownership of US sports teams, even in the big 4 leagues, isn't something we've had to deal with too much, and it's ended in hilarious failure the few times it's been tried. Obviously, the lack of promotion/relegation frees teams up to behave in different ways. But I suspect the lack of foreign coaches has as much to do with geography and the level of the league than anything else. Soccer at the pro and college level has a lot of foreign coaches compared to other North American sports, but I'd assume those are the guys who gave up trying to advance through the ranks in the home countries. Nobody with real ambition is going to move from England or Spain to manage FC Dallas or the North Carolina Tar Heels. So there's less temptation to look for hot foreign coaches rather than give your own people a chance. |
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Post by 60sred on Jul 12, 2022 10:19:42 GMT
Its difficult to make a decision on that at the moment. With the game being more global and overseas ownership becoming larger in the Prem League the opportunity seems to have dropped. Will be interesting to see what length of time Eddie Howe is given at Newcastle. Are all North American sports team owned by American or Canadian owners as i dont recall any person other than Beckham having a stake in any team. Do you think this allows owners to select from American coaches also with no fear of relegation due to how the leagues are set up ? The MLS setup is interesting. Everything is centrally owned. So when you buy a "franchise" what you are actually buying is shares in MLS and then you get to operate a specific club. For practical purposes, I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if this unique set up leads to any special quirks. I'm pretty sure almost all the owners are North American. I know the Red Bulls got their name when they were bought by the drink company. I'm assuming they're still the owners. There might be one or two more. I'd wager that the MLS isn't high profile enough globally to draw much foreign ownership interest. There's also some people who claim it's just a giant ponzi scheme surviving on massive expansion fees for new clubs. I can't really say whether that theory has validity. Foreign ownership of US sports teams, even in the big 4 leagues, isn't something we've had to deal with too much, and it's ended in hilarious failure the few times it's been tried. Obviously, the lack of promotion/relegation frees teams up to behave in different ways. But I suspect the lack of foreign coaches has as much to do with geography and the level of the league than anything else. Soccer at the pro and college level has a lot of foreign coaches compared to other North American sports, but I'd assume those are the guys who gave up trying to advance through the ranks in the home countries. Nobody with real ambition is going to move from England or Spain to manage FC Dallas or the North Carolina Tar Heels. So there's less temptation to look for hot foreign coaches rather than give your own people a chance. Thank you and futbolguru for providing an insight into your knowledge of how american sports operate. I have noticed today that with us talking about coaches Rooney has taken the position up at DC United. I am a little bit cynical on this as he has not the correct coaching badges to be able to coach within the prem league. Is he just using them until qualified and prem job becomes available . Not sure what length of contract he has signed |
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Post by mikejones on Jul 13, 2022 3:52:56 GMT
I saw the Daily Mail saying his wife and kids weren't going to move over as she hated living in the US. That indicates a short term move for sure.
Is Rooney considered a good managerial prospect, or are people skeptical? I've always kept an eye out on what happening with Derby as the very first British person I ever knew was from there and a big fan. It seemed like people were saying that Rooney did a pretty decent job considering the club had a messed up financial situation. Is that correct?
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Post by 60sred on Jul 13, 2022 5:28:07 GMT
I saw the Daily Mail saying his wife and kids weren't going to move over as she hated living in the US. That indicates a short term move for sure. Is Rooney considered a good managerial prospect, or are people skeptical? I've always kept an eye out on what happening with Derby as the very first British person I ever knew was from there and a big fan. It seemed like people were saying that Rooney did a pretty decent job considering the club had a messed up financial situation. Is that correct? i think Rooney would make a good number 2 as he is a good at man management , yet to be convinced on his coaching ability at a high level appears to be good with young players but i think that is more to do with his name. He was lucky in his first season just avoided relegation on the last day and in his second season it was a bit of a free hit due to circumstances so was never going to classed as a failure. Wales have 2 young coaches in Steve Cooper and Nathan Jones and i think both will do very good in the game, Cooper who is my teams manager at Forest is really rated within the game and could be a potential top 6 club manage and has already won a world cup with England at youth level, possibly going on to be the national team manager. England will go a different route i think they will want a big name say a Lampard , Gerrard or Rooney even though i think their best chance maybe someone like Potter at Brighton. How have USA gone about picking their team manager has it been a big name ex player or just looked at coaching record number of wins etc ? |
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Post by mikejones on Jul 13, 2022 7:08:27 GMT
How have USA gone about picking their team manager has it been a big name ex player or just looked at coaching record number of wins etc ? In the "modern era" of US Soccer we have not had an ex-star US player as manager. Steve Sampson, Bruce Arena, and Bob Bradley were all successful college coaches who stepped up to the MLS in it's early years. None had any type of professional career as a player. That path is probably done for and was a product of the US not producing professional players or having a professional league when they were young men. Klinsmann was obviously a big world star. He intended to be a revolutionary force in US soccer, upending the culture of the sport from top to bottom. He failed, as anyone would have. Our current manager had a very nice career at both the club and national team level, but he was not a star. He managed a smaller club in Europe, came to MLS, and then was hired by the national team. That's probably a path we will see a lot more in the coming years. There have been rumors about this or that big time club coach from Europe wanting a shot to coach the US national team. Pep's name keeps getting brought up. But nothing has ever come of these rumors. Landon Donovan is currently a finalist for an MLS job, so it looks like he's trying to break into coaching. I'm sure if he has any bit of success he will get a shot at the USMNT. It hasn't been common for ex USMNT stars to give managing a try. |
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Post by welwyn on Jul 13, 2022 7:43:28 GMT
I think it is really interesting with Steve Cooper & NJ as they are:
a) very different personalities.
b) very different stylistically.
I think NJ is a really interesting case study. I think he has learnt a lot from the Stoke experience. When he left to join them, he was very heavily wedded to the 4-diamond-2 system. But, since coming back he is very much a tactical chameleon. He set us up in one system to keep us down post lockdown. Then had another system to build us into a mid-table side in 2020-21. Then he saw what Barnsley had done under Ismael and basically said 'we are replicating that' and built a squad for that and ended up adapting the formation from Ismael's 3-4-3 into a 3-5-2 because it worked better for us.
Given his recruitment this summer, I wouldn't be surprised if he had an idea that he might experiment going back to 3-4-3 or even a 4-3-3 trying to keep the same style as Ismael.
His biggest weakness will always be the way he gets emotionally involved on gameday. Anything you ever hear from him in pre-match interviews and any interviews outside the confines of gameday, he is evidently a very deep thinker and a very football intelligent guy. However, anyone who has ever seen any clips of him will see how emotionally over involved he gets during the game. It's no surprise really, you see any clips of him as a player and he seems to be wound tighter than a gnat's backside, but it really affects his judgement to change things within the game.
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Post by 60sred on Jul 13, 2022 11:47:02 GMT
I think it is really interesting with Steve Cooper & NJ as they are: a) very different personalities. b) very different stylistically. I think NJ is a really interesting case study. I think he has learnt a lot from the Stoke experience. When he left to join them, he was very heavily wedded to the 4-diamond-2 system. But, since coming back he is very much a tactical chameleon. He set us up in one system to keep us down post lockdown. Then had another system to build us into a mid-table side in 2020-21. Then he saw what Barnsley had done under Ismael and basically said 'we are replicating that' and built a squad for that and ended up adapting the formation from Ismael's 3-4-3 into a 3-5-2 because it worked better for us. Given his recruitment this summer, I wouldn't be surprised if he had an idea that he might experiment going back to 3-4-3 or even a 4-3-3 trying to keep the same style as Ismael. His biggest weakness will always be the way he gets emotionally involved on gameday. Anything you ever hear from him in pre-match interviews and any interviews outside the confines of gameday, he is evidently a very deep thinker and a very football intelligent guy. However, anyone who has ever seen any clips of him will see how emotionally over involved he gets during the game. It's no surprise really, you see any clips of him as a player and he seems to be wound tighter than a gnat's backside, but it really affects his judgement to change things within the game. As you say 2 different styles and 2 different characters. NJ had no chance at Stoke inherited a toxic dressing room with big egos also a fan base which seemed to think they had a right to premier league football. i really like NJ and Luton are my outside tip for top 6 again this season. It would be interesting to see who Wales supporters would possibly want as successor to Page but not for a few years yet. Whose style out of NJ and Cooper would you say best suits the squad at the moment imo i would say NJ as his sides dont score as many as Coopers. |
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Post by welwyn on Jul 13, 2022 12:35:31 GMT
I think it is really interesting with Steve Cooper & NJ as they are: a) very different personalities. b) very different stylistically. I think NJ is a really interesting case study. I think he has learnt a lot from the Stoke experience. When he left to join them, he was very heavily wedded to the 4-diamond-2 system. But, since coming back he is very much a tactical chameleon. He set us up in one system to keep us down post lockdown. Then had another system to build us into a mid-table side in 2020-21. Then he saw what Barnsley had done under Ismael and basically said 'we are replicating that' and built a squad for that and ended up adapting the formation from Ismael's 3-4-3 into a 3-5-2 because it worked better for us. Given his recruitment this summer, I wouldn't be surprised if he had an idea that he might experiment going back to 3-4-3 or even a 4-3-3 trying to keep the same style as Ismael. His biggest weakness will always be the way he gets emotionally involved on gameday. Anything you ever hear from him in pre-match interviews and any interviews outside the confines of gameday, he is evidently a very deep thinker and a very football intelligent guy. However, anyone who has ever seen any clips of him will see how emotionally over involved he gets during the game. It's no surprise really, you see any clips of him as a player and he seems to be wound tighter than a gnat's backside, but it really affects his judgement to change things within the game. As you say 2 different styles and 2 different characters. NJ had no chance at Stoke inherited a toxic dressing room with big egos also a fan base which seemed to think they had a right to premier league football. i really like NJ and Luton are my outside tip for top 6 again this season. It would be interesting to see who Wales supporters would possibly want as successor to Page but not for a few years yet. Whose style out of NJ and Cooper would you say best suits the squad at the moment imo i would say NJ as his sides dont score as many as Coopers. Not sure that last statement is wholly true. In spell one, we scored a crazy amount (it helped having James Justin and Jack Stacey as the full-backs in the diamond, having those two in the bottom two tiers was a joke). Yes, until last season, in his 2nd spell we were very defensive based but we were 5th top scorers last year, yes that was way less than Forest but it was more than Swansea scored in either of his 2 seasons there. |
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Post by 60sred on Jul 13, 2022 14:24:03 GMT
As you say 2 different styles and 2 different characters. NJ had no chance at Stoke inherited a toxic dressing room with big egos also a fan base which seemed to think they had a right to premier league football. i really like NJ and Luton are my outside tip for top 6 again this season. It would be interesting to see who Wales supporters would possibly want as successor to Page but not for a few years yet. Whose style out of NJ and Cooper would you say best suits the squad at the moment imo i would say NJ as his sides dont score as many as Coopers. Not sure that last statement is wholly true. In spell one, we scored a crazy amount (it helped having James Justin and Jack Stacey as the full-backs in the diamond, having those two in the bottom two tiers was a joke). Yes, until last season, in his 2nd spell we were very defensive based but we were 5th top scorers last year, yes that was way less than Forest but it was more than Swansea scored in either of his 2 seasons there. That has surprised me about last season , were both the other 2 seasons in the championship ? What do you think about taking Ethan Horvath on loan ? You had so much bad look with goalkeepers during last season was it 4 or possibly 5 as i seemed to lose count due to being so many. |
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Post by welwyn on Jul 14, 2022 14:13:12 GMT
Not sure that last statement is wholly true. In spell one, we scored a crazy amount (it helped having James Justin and Jack Stacey as the full-backs in the diamond, having those two in the bottom two tiers was a joke). Yes, until last season, in his 2nd spell we were very defensive based but we were 5th top scorers last year, yes that was way less than Forest but it was more than Swansea scored in either of his 2 seasons there. That has surprised me about last season , were both the other 2 seasons in the championship ? What do you think about taking Ethan Horvath on loan ? You had so much bad look with goalkeepers during last season was it 4 or possibly 5 as i seemed to lose count due to being so many. Well, he returned when 'project restart' became a thing so it was 9 games left with us rock bottom and he decided our best option was to keep us as solid as possible and nick 1-0 wins. which, with the exception of the 4-0 drubbing by Reading. (Even the final day win v Blackburn was 3-2, despite only 2 shots) Yeah, that was horrible, 2 ACL injuries were brutal. The weird thing is if were weren't in the position we were in. We wouldn't have had that bonkers emergency loan situation. Say, if it had been November rather than April, we would have just rolled with Harry Isted (3rd choice), even though he has never played in the league, I think we had confidence in him. The problem was if something had happened to him, you are looking at the actual youth team keeper having to come on. You could take that risk for a random league game in November but we were basically already in play-off mode to MAKE the play-offs. I felt really sorry for Isted because the rule of the emergency keeper is that he HAS to start. |
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Post by toshfan on Jul 17, 2022 14:23:33 GMT
Sorry I'm just getting back to you, my wife just had our 3rd child and I'm in my mid 40's........this is harder than when I was younger. Yes, I miss the food in New Orleans. It is some of the best you would find in the States. Copeland's, started by Al Copeland, is the founder of Popeyes. He opened up the first Popeyes on the Westbank of the Mississippi River across the River from the famous French Quarter area. Houston is an ok city to visit; San Antonio is a better visiting destination in my opinion. Many congratulations on your new arrival. The only part of Texas I have been to is Fort Worth. |
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