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Post by morg on Jun 9, 2022 8:38:19 GMT
Brennan Johnson just for context.
46 championship games last season ( starter in 44)
4 FA Cup games.
3 play offs (1 @ 120 minutes)
Played 75 minutes or more in 50 of them.
What is he 21?
Due some slack I think.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 9, 2022 8:49:25 GMT
One lapse and top team punish you It was exactly what I meant when I mentioned on another thread that I was worried with Ukraine's pressing the other night, and what a more tactically gifted team could do to us. We are still quite tactically naive and the better teams know how to capitalise on that. I don't think we were tactically naive in terms of how we were set up. I just think the decision making on the pitch was a bit naive at times. Tbf it's our first time in League A & these lessons are the benefit of being in that top category of teams. We will learn to be more ruthless and cynical the longer we compete against them |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 9, 2022 9:13:26 GMT
Brennan Johnson just for context. 46 championship games last season ( starter in 44) 4 FA Cup games. 3 play offs (1 @ 120 minutes) Played 75 minutes or more in 50 of them. What is he 21? Due some slack I think. Maybe so.. but.. in comparison dan james just played poland & Ukraine then holland = 3 games in a row. How many games last season with wales and leeds and off the back of a euros. Johnson played 10 mins in ukraine and joined the squad late, yes he's 21 not 16. Im not ripping into him just saying he didnt perform last night. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 9, 2022 9:19:39 GMT
Brennan Johnson just for context. 46 championship games last season ( starter in 44) 4 FA Cup games. 3 play offs (1 @ 120 minutes) Played 75 minutes or more in 50 of them. What is he 21? Due some slack I think. Maybe so.. but.. in comparison dan james just played poland & Ukraine then holland = 3 games in a row. How many games last season with wales and leeds and off the back of a euros. Johnson played 10 mins in ukraine and joined the squad late, yes he's 21 not 16. Im not ripping into him just saying he didnt perform last night. Brennan would perform better in our first XI because he'd have more opportunities and we'd get him on the ball more. There is an argument for him vs James, but in big games I certainly will continue to favour James - mostly because of the defensive improvement he gives us Against a low block Brennan is the better player to have, especially with Bale, Ramsey, Neco & Allen around him supplying him with the ball |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 9, 2022 9:23:49 GMT
Its pretty obvious Johnson's best role is coming off the bench for last 20-30 mins like he did on Sunday. This could change by November but unlikely. May as well just enjoy it!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 9, 2022 9:24:06 GMT
Two very well organised sides, quickly getting men behind the ball. There was no space for either side to counter. Ultimately their superior quality showed, the two CBs surely have to be the best in the business. We need to work out ways to break down teams who sit in a low block, particularly when we don’t have an out and out striker Players Rodon (many mistakes), Levitt (struggled in advanced role with no space ) Conor (shattered) and Matondo were poor. Him and DJ just don’t have end product, it’s DOF frustrating. Looking forward to Brooks returning. RND and Mepham were impressive. We’re crying out for an out and out number 8 and another option for Keiffer In a low block Kieffer is very important. It puts pressure on teams defenses and suck them into the box. An alternative to him would be great, but there's not too many target men around these days. I think the answer will be finding a poacher who can just hang around in the box, with good movement and finishing ability. From what I hear Chris Popov sounds like a promising player in this respect. Until then Kieffer is important for us in games against negative teams |
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Post by morg on Jun 9, 2022 9:33:17 GMT
Maybe so.. but.. in comparison dan james just played poland & Ukraine then holland = 3 games in a row. How many games last season with wales and leeds and off the back of a euros. Johnson played 10 mins in ukraine and joined the squad late, yes he's 21 not 16. Im not ripping into him just saying he didnt perform last night. Brennan would perform better in our first XI because he'd have more opportunities and we'd get him on the ball more. There is an argument for him vs James, but in big games I certainly will continue to favour James - mostly because of the defensive improvement he gives us Against a low block Brennan is the better player to have, especially with Bale, Ramsey, Neco & Allen around him supplying him with the ball Dan James played about 30 (75 mins or more Inc Wales games) and he has 5? Years more top level experience. Brennan probably played more minutes last season than anyone else in our squad. I wouldn't start him now either but I think it's worth noting that he's had a demanding season and as said above, when he's surrounded by our first team players, his contribution is as good as anyone's. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 9, 2022 9:34:22 GMT
Brennan Johnson just for context. 46 championship games last season ( starter in 44) 4 FA Cup games. 3 play offs (1 @ 120 minutes) Played 75 minutes or more in 50 of them. What is he 21? Due some slack I think. I don't think anyone's criticising him too harsh to be honest. He might have played quite a bit but for me it's about grabbing opportunities when they arise. Last night was a perfect chance for him to show he's worthy of a start, literally with the person who's shirt he wants on the pitch. He just didn't take it. He's still a massive asset to us, but I don't think we should shoe horn him into the first team on a feeling he'll do well. |
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Post by wft on Jun 9, 2022 9:46:49 GMT
Possibly our most intelligent player, he knows what hes going to do before he gets the ball, a one touch accurate and usually the best possible positive pass. He is rather good.
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Post by njdragon on Jun 9, 2022 9:56:14 GMT
Possibly our most intelligent player, he knows what hes going to do before he gets the ball, a one touch accurate and usually the best possible positive pass. He is rather good. Are you a forest fan? I haven't seen him play much there. Interesting to see how he develops at international level and premiership. Its that yard difference when you come up against the best in there world. |
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Post by wft on Jun 9, 2022 10:18:48 GMT
Possibly our most intelligent player, he knows what hes going to do before he gets the ball, a one touch accurate and usually the best possible positive pass. He is rather good. Are you a forest fan? I haven't seen him play much there. Interesting to see how he develops at international level and premiership. Its that yard difference when you come up against the best in there world. nah, just a spurious off the top of my head comment.  |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 9, 2022 10:45:31 GMT
Are you a forest fan? I haven't seen him play much there. Interesting to see how he develops at international level and premiership. Its that yard difference when you come up against the best in there world. nah, just a spurious off the top of my head comment. oh right apologies i thought it was an informed opinion |
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Post by garynysmon on Jun 9, 2022 11:11:41 GMT
I thought we were incredibly sloppy yesterday and the passing was poor.
In the grand scheme of things it pales in comparison with reaching the World Cup, so I'm happy to cut them a lot of slack, but we could quite feasibly end up with no points at all from this Nations League campaign.
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Post by welshowl on Jun 9, 2022 12:28:29 GMT
Was Ben Davies our player of the match? I'd have awarded it to Rhys Norrington-Davies as he provided arguably our biggest attacking outlet. DJ and Brennan didn't really shine - I've got nothing much to add to what others have said. Apart from maybe it being good that Daniel didn't carry over his temper tantrum from Sunday. When the very early challenge on him earned their defender a yellow card, I was hoping that would lead to brighter things for the other 87 minutes. No yellow cards at all for us last night - but maybe in keeping with the less pressurised atmosphere the game was played in.
Commentary at begining of the match stated that 10 of the players who started last night were probably likely to be on the plane to Qatar. Their question mark over only Dylan Levitt. No further comment needed about him here about how wasteful he played. Mepham played well so definitely did his cause no harm.
Rodon will be in first XI but I really hope he'll be away from Spurs in the first half of the season, to make him more ready for the WC. Colwill did well after coming on, felt he carried the ball and offered something different. I think he'll make the squad. Matondo did little - and he's got more competition than most in that attacking wide player role.
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Post by iantov on Jun 9, 2022 19:05:12 GMT
I thought we were incredibly sloppy yesterday and the passing was poor. In the grand scheme of things it pales in comparison with reaching the World Cup, so I'm happy to cut them a lot of slack, but we could quite feasibly end up with no points at all from this Nations League campaign. Agreed. I also thought we were consistently sloppy all over the pitch, even Harry was passing to a ball boy at one stage! This was probably our best opportunity to take 3 points from a Dutch team but unfortunately, we didn't apply ourselves well enough and we lacked any cohesion and ideas up front with our decision making and final pass being woeful apart from the well taken Connor/RND goal. Naivety in the extreme after the goal. I said as soon as we let them out of the corner far too easily that they would score and certainly after two gilt edged chances to take the ball carrier out, it was a foregone conclusion.... I read that some posters referred to the above passage of play as a learning curve but personally, I would suggest that it really shouldn't take a pro too long to assess the danger and to take a card for the team. Harry's 'challenge' wouldn't have put a tipsy Nan on her arse... I didn't think that we took advantage of the Dutch right back's ineptitude and first half yellow card enough either and also agree that Hennessey and Ward save those. However, the players and staff will have analysed the team and individual performance, compared against the Dutch team's execution and tactical display and won't be too disheartened on the whole. As long as they have taken on-board some of the finer aspects and learned from this, then it should bring into perspective the level of performance that we need to attain moving forward from which, they can take the positives accordingly. It does confirm though, how far we have come to be disappointed to lose very narrowly to Holland and perhaps next time, in a similar situation, we will indeed, have learned to take the fu.ker out!! |
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Post by morg on Jun 9, 2022 19:19:15 GMT
I thought we were incredibly sloppy yesterday and the passing was poor. In the grand scheme of things it pales in comparison with reaching the World Cup, so I'm happy to cut them a lot of slack, but we could quite feasibly end up with no points at all from this Nations League campaign. Agreed. I also thought we were consistently sloppy all over the pitch, even Harry was passing to a ball boy at one stage! This was probably our best opportunity to take 3 points from a Dutch team but unfortunately, we didn't apply ourselves well enough and we lacked any cohesion and ideas up front with our decision making and final pass being woeful apart from the well taken Connor/RND goal. Naivety in the extreme after the goal. I said as soon as we let them out of the corner far too easily that they would score and certainly after two gilt edged chances to take the ball carrier out, it was a foregone conclusion.... I read that some posters referred to the above passage of play as a learning curve but personally, I would suggest that it really shouldn't take a pro too long to assess the danger and to take a card for the team. Harry's 'challenge' wouldn't have put a tipsy Nan on her arse... I didn't think that we took advantage of the Dutch right back's ineptitude and first half yellow card enough either and also agree that Hennessey and Ward save those. However, the players and staff will have analysed the team and individual performance, compared against the Dutch team's execution and tactical display and won't be too disheartened on the whole. As long as they have taken on-board some of the finer aspects and learned from this, then it should bring into perspective the level of performance that we need to attain moving forward from which, they can take the positives accordingly. It does confirm though, how far we have come to be disappointed to lose very narrowly to Holland and perhaps next time, in a similar situation, we will indeed, have learned to take the fu.ker out!! We've also had a very good look at potential last 16 opponents in the WC. |
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Post by iantov on Jun 9, 2022 19:30:30 GMT
Agreed. I also thought we were consistently sloppy all over the pitch, even Harry was passing to a ball boy at one stage! This was probably our best opportunity to take 3 points from a Dutch team but unfortunately, we didn't apply ourselves well enough and we lacked any cohesion and ideas up front with our decision making and final pass being woeful apart from the well taken Connor/RND goal. Naivety in the extreme after the goal. I said as soon as we let them out of the corner far too easily that they would score and certainly after two gilt edged chances to take the ball carrier out, it was a foregone conclusion.... I read that some posters referred to the above passage of play as a learning curve but personally, I would suggest that it really shouldn't take a pro too long to assess the danger and to take a card for the team. Harry's 'challenge' wouldn't have put a tipsy Nan on her arse... I didn't think that we took advantage of the Dutch right back's ineptitude and first half yellow card enough either and also agree that Hennessey and Ward save those. However, the players and staff will have analysed the team and individual performance, compared against the Dutch team's execution and tactical display and won't be too disheartened on the whole. As long as they have taken on-board some of the finer aspects and learned from this, then it should bring into perspective the level of performance that we need to attain moving forward from which, they can take the positives accordingly. It does confirm though, how far we have come to be disappointed to lose very narrowly to Holland and perhaps next time, in a similar situation, we will indeed, have learned to take the fu.ker out!! We've also had a very good look at potential last 16 opponents in the WC. True. |
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Post by quetzal on Jun 10, 2022 0:36:42 GMT
Thank God we lost this one and not the Ukraine game. On my way back tomorrow a happy man. Safe trip mate Cheers 🍻 This trip back is the stuff of nightmares. There’s been an extra 28 hours added on with delays. But we’re in the World Cup!!!! Pinching myself. |
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