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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 15, 2022 12:27:09 GMT
An interesting thread about Australia's GK penalty shootout antics
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Post by ddirpytnop on Jun 15, 2022 12:40:25 GMT
I thought the guy was a complete knob. Also a schoolteacher, allegedly. I can only hope his pupils play up in the same way.
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Post by iot on Jun 15, 2022 12:49:16 GMT
I thought the guy was a complete knob. Also a schoolteacher, allegedly. I can only hope his pupils play up in the same way. Being a knob was the whole point, as it's found to affect the opposition's success rate - see the research in the twitter thread. I wouldn't be comfortable with it, but I'd probably want our keeper to do the same (if they have it in them) to give us that small advantage. |
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Post by dai on Jun 15, 2022 12:57:55 GMT
I thought the guy was a complete knob. Also a schoolteacher, allegedly. I can only hope his pupils play up in the same way. Drama teacher perhaps? Can't stand this sort of poncey nonsense, nor the hipster beard. He also chucked the Peruvian keepers' water bottle away that had notes on it. Disgusting behaviour that's below sportsmanship. What a prick. twitter.com/brfootball/status/1537005700215349249 |
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Post by insertname on Jun 15, 2022 13:03:50 GMT
“And why did it work?”
How do we know it did? Just because he danced about doesn’t mean that’s why the players missed. When the ball is struck he reverts to the positioning every keeper takes- on the line in the centre of the goal. It didn’t look like he had forced the Peru player to take a conservative penalty- it was towards the bottom corner and he had to make a save (although not a full stretch one).
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Post by iot on Jun 15, 2022 14:02:30 GMT
“And why did it work?” How do we know it did? Just because he danced about doesn’t mean that’s why the players missed. When the ball is struck he reverts to the positioning every keeper takes- on the line in the centre of the goal. It didn’t look like he had forced the Peru player to take a conservative penalty- it was towards the bottom corner and he had to make a save (although not a full stretch one). It's based on research which shows those techniques do have an impact. So we can assume it di work, at least to some extent |
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Post by morg on Jun 15, 2022 14:08:03 GMT
An interesting thread about Australia's GK penalty shootout antics From the country that brought you underarm bowling in test matches 🤣 |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 15, 2022 14:35:55 GMT
“And why did it work?” How do we know it did? Just because he danced about doesn’t mean that’s why the players missed. When the ball is struck he reverts to the positioning every keeper takes- on the line in the centre of the goal. It didn’t look like he had forced the Peru player to take a conservative penalty- it was towards the bottom corner and he had to make a save (although not a full stretch one). It's based on research which shows those techniques do have an impact. So we can assume it di work, at least to some extent Yeah it's about percentages. Making players wait longer increases the chance of players missing. The Dutch keeper tried a similar thing with Bale yesterday by mouthing off to the ref The mere act of subbing on a GK for the shootout has a psychological effect too |
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Post by insertname on Jun 15, 2022 14:45:13 GMT
“And why did it work?” How do we know it did? Just because he danced about doesn’t mean that’s why the players missed. When the ball is struck he reverts to the positioning every keeper takes- on the line in the centre of the goal. It didn’t look like he had forced the Peru player to take a conservative penalty- it was towards the bottom corner and he had to make a save (although not a full stretch one). It's based on research which shows those techniques do have an impact. So we can assume it di work, at least to some extent If that’s the case why is this “dancing keeper” making headlines? Why didn’t we see dancing keepers in the FA cup final? With all the money going into sports psychology by the top clubs I’d be very surprised if this amazing research totally escaped their attention. It costs nothing to tell your keeper to dance during a shoot out after all but we’re only seeing it from Australia’s third choice keeper. |
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Post by insertname on Jun 15, 2022 14:47:35 GMT
It's based on research which shows those techniques do have an impact. So we can assume it di work, at least to some extent Yeah it's about percentages. Making players wait longer increases the chance of players missing. The Dutch keeper tried a similar thing with Bale yesterday by mouthing off to the ref The mere act of subbing on a GK for the shootout has a psychological effect too The subbing on of a keeper makes sense but it’s one of those things that once it’s explained to a group of penalty takers that it has a psychological effect it will fail to have one because the uncertainty it sows will be dis-spelled that it’s probably just a bluff. We’ll see it being over-used soon and that will be that. |
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Post by quetzal on Jun 15, 2022 15:29:46 GMT
An interesting thread about Australia's GK penalty shootout antics Aussie keeper was rubbish. Putting all his weight on one side in the dance. Peru were nervous the whole game. Peru’s first shot on target 98 mins. Outrageous |
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Post by saturn9 on Jun 15, 2022 15:30:57 GMT
Favourites for it? Not convinced by the hype around Argentina. Ageing squad, and haven't really been up against Europe's elite.
Not a fan of this Brazilian squad, purely because of Neymars on and off field antics.
European dark horses. Portugal and Serbia. Portugal should be doing so much better with that attacking talent.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 15, 2022 15:40:13 GMT
Yeah it's about percentages. Making players wait longer increases the chance of players missing. The Dutch keeper tried a similar thing with Bale yesterday by mouthing off to the ref The mere act of subbing on a GK for the shootout has a psychological effect too The subbing on of a keeper makes sense but it’s one of those things that once it’s explained to a group of penalty takers that it has a psychological effect it will fail to have one because the uncertainty it sows will be dis-spelled that it’s probably just a bluff. We’ll see it being over-used soon and that will be that. Yeah you're right. Same as the stutter penalties which used to be much more effective. Keepers have clocked on and they get saved more now. And football continues to evolve |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 15, 2022 15:44:40 GMT
Favourites for it? Not convinced by the hype around Argentina. Ageing squad, and haven't really been up against Europe's elite. Not a fan of this Brazilian squad, purely because of Neymars on and off field antics. European dark horses. Portugal and Serbia. Portugal should be doing so much better with that attacking talent. Think Brazil are a really good shout 2 of the best keepers in the world (Ederson has only had 18 caps because Alisson is number 1!!). Alisson, Militao, Casemiro, Fabinho, Vinicius, Firmino all just played a Champions League final. Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, Neymar, Jesus, Ederson, all play for elite clubs. The rest of their squad are top flight players |
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Post by insertname on Jun 15, 2022 15:45:07 GMT
The subbing on of a keeper makes sense but it’s one of those things that once it’s explained to a group of penalty takers that it has a psychological effect it will fail to have one because the uncertainty it sows will be dis-spelled that it’s probably just a bluff. We’ll see it being over-used soon and that will be that. Yeah you're right. Same as the stutter penalties which used to be much more effective. Keepers have clocked on and they get saved more now. And football continues to evolve Yeah agreed. One thing that I’ve been wondering about is what the natural counter-play is to take advantage of a keeper dicking about. Placing the ball and then standing over it waiting to take it quickly while the keeper isn’t set is probably what will happen if dancing about catches on. As you say, it always evolves! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 15, 2022 15:52:45 GMT
Yeah you're right. Same as the stutter penalties which used to be much more effective. Keepers have clocked on and they get saved more now. And football continues to evolve Yeah agreed. One thing that I’ve been wondering about is what the natural counter-play is to take advantage of a keeper dicking about. Placing the ball and then standing over it waiting to take it quickly while the keeper isn’t set is probably what will happen if dancing about catches on. As you say, it always evolves! If it were me I'd try to just do everything I could to make sure I was doing things at my own pace. If the keeper is chatting away to the ref or taking ages having a drink, I wouldn't be placing the ball and waiting for him. I'd be talking to the ref myself, or holding onto the ball and looking the opposite way. Anything to do things my way instead of the keepers way The one that jumps out from that thread is where the keeper walks up to the taker & offers him the ball before throwing it away at the last second. I wouldn't be reaching for that ball, I'd be walking away from him to the sidelines and getting a ball off the ball boys & taking my time while doing it |
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Post by insertname on Jun 15, 2022 16:02:40 GMT
Favourites for it? Not convinced by the hype around Argentina. Ageing squad, and haven't really been up against Europe's elite. Not a fan of this Brazilian squad, purely because of Neymars on and off field antics. European dark horses. Portugal and Serbia. Portugal should be doing so much better with that attacking talent. Think Brazil are a really good shout 2 of the best keepers in the world (Ederson has only had 18 caps because Alisson is number 1!!). Alisson, Militao, Casemiro, Fabinho, Vinicius, Firmino all just played a Champions League final. Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, Neymar, Jesus, Ederson, all play for elite clubs. The rest of their squad are top flight players They are no more packed with talent than France are though. For me there isn’t really a stand out side in ominous form. Belgium are much of a muchness right now. France are having a horrendous run. England are having a mid-Southgate crisis. Germany not very consistent. It feels on paper like it could be a really close tournament. I’m going to stick my neck out and say Germany for no other reason than I’ve just got a feeling that as Hansi Flick proved he can make a big difference in a short space of time at Bayern and there are signs he’s got Germany back on track quite quickly after a poor Euros he’s going to go on and add a World Cup to his European cup medal. |
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Post by dai on Jun 15, 2022 16:10:25 GMT
I can't see Brazil nor Argentina winning it, the European teams are stronger imo.
Most of the top teams are very evenly matched, it could be any of France, Portugal, Germany, Netherlands, Spain etc.
However after the last Euro's and given how solid they look, I think Denmark may be in with a shout.
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Post by welwyn on Jun 15, 2022 16:10:39 GMT
Yeah you're right. Same as the stutter penalties which used to be much more effective. Keepers have clocked on and they get saved more now. And football continues to evolve Yeah agreed. One thing that I’ve been wondering about is what the natural counter-play is to take advantage of a keeper dicking about. Placing the ball and then standing over it waiting to take it quickly while the keeper isn’t set is probably what will happen if dancing about catches on. As you say, it always evolves! Luton had a midfielder who only ever missed one pen. He had this unique style where he would place the ball down and would actually look back towards his own goal until the ref blew his whistle. If I remember rightly, the only pen he missed was up at Bradford and something riled him up something rotten between the award and taking that one. |
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Post by insertname on Jun 15, 2022 16:50:34 GMT
Yeah agreed. One thing that I’ve been wondering about is what the natural counter-play is to take advantage of a keeper dicking about. Placing the ball and then standing over it waiting to take it quickly while the keeper isn’t set is probably what will happen if dancing about catches on. As you say, it always evolves! Luton had a midfielder who only ever missed one pen. He had this unique style where he would place the ball down and would actually look back towards his own goal until the ref blew his whistle. If I remember rightly, the only pen he missed was up at Bradford and something riled him up something rotten between the award and taking that one. It obviously worked for him but I’m always expecting a miss when a player does an unorthodox run up like that! |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 15, 2022 17:07:45 GMT
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Post by saturn9 on Jun 15, 2022 17:46:55 GMT
Think Brazil are a really good shout 2 of the best keepers in the world (Ederson has only had 18 caps because Alisson is number 1!!). Alisson, Militao, Casemiro, Fabinho, Vinicius, Firmino all just played a Champions League final. Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, Neymar, Jesus, Ederson, all play for elite clubs. The rest of their squad are top flight players They are no more packed with talent than France are though. For me there isn’t really a stand out side in ominous form. Belgium are much of a muchness right now. France are having a horrendous run. England are having a mid-Southgate crisis. Germany not very consistent. It feels on paper like it could be a really close tournament. I’m going to stick my neck out and say Germany for no other reason than I’ve just got a feeling that as Hansi Flick proved he can make a big difference in a short space of time at Bayern and there are signs he’s got Germany back on track quite quickly after a poor Euros he’s going to go on and add a World Cup to his European cup medal. Sense among German fans is that they lack a goalscorer who could score half a dozen goals during a tournament. Burkhardt at Meinz has the potential, but this WC may be a little soon for him. |
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Post by welwyn on Jun 15, 2022 18:36:22 GMT
Luton had a midfielder who only ever missed one pen. He had this unique style where he would place the ball down and would actually look back towards his own goal until the ref blew his whistle. If I remember rightly, the only pen he missed was up at Bradford and something riled him up something rotten between the award and taking that one. It obviously worked for him but I’m always expecting a miss when a player does an unorthodox run up like that! To be fair, there is absolutely nothing unusual about the run-up itself. The whistle goes and he just turned around and did a normal runup. |
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Post by bale-droed on Jun 15, 2022 18:41:47 GMT
If we’re talking about who going to win it I’m going for Italy. Oh wait.
Nah I think Netherlands win it this time
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 15, 2022 19:56:44 GMT
I can't see Brazil nor Argentina winning it, the European teams are stronger imo. Most of the top teams are very evenly matched, it could be any of France, Portugal, Germany, Netherlands, Spain etc. However after the last Euro's and given how solid they look, I think Denmark may be in with a shout.They've been very impressive since 2018 now. Knocked out of the WC18 on pens to the eventual finalists. Euro semis they were unlucky to be playing England in their back yard - even then they ran them close. Promoted to League A and coasting their group - could be in with a shout of winning that. I really like them as dark horses Given there's no clear favourite, if an outsider is going to win it, it feels like this one is a tournament it could happen in. The randomness of it being mid-season could also be a factor |
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Post by mikejones on Jun 15, 2022 23:43:16 GMT
It's based on research which shows those techniques do have an impact. So we can assume it di work, at least to some extent If that’s the case why is this “dancing keeper” making headlines? Why didn’t we see dancing keepers in the FA cup final? With all the money going into sports psychology by the top clubs I’d be very surprised if this amazing research totally escaped their attention. It costs nothing to tell your keeper to dance during a shoot out after all but we’re only seeing it from Australia’s third choice keeper. It may be that more established players don't want to look foolish or open themselves up to criticism from the public and within the sport for a small advantage. |
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Post by pendragon on Jun 16, 2022 0:46:39 GMT
I thought the guy was a complete knob. Also a schoolteacher, allegedly. I can only hope his pupils play up in the same way. Drama teacher perhaps? Can't stand this sort of poncey nonsense, nor the hipster beard. He also chucked the Peruvian keepers' water bottle away that had notes on it. Disgusting behaviour that's below sportsmanship. What a prick. twitter.com/brfootball/status/1537005700215349249I've seen keepers use distraction and intimidatory tactics such as Schmeichel, but I haven't seen anything like this. This is just ridiculous imo. I'm sure I read that there were concerns that he might not have been on or behind the goal line at the start of the shootout. |
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Post by saturn9 on Jun 16, 2022 17:03:17 GMT
I can't see Brazil nor Argentina winning it, the European teams are stronger imo. Most of the top teams are very evenly matched, it could be any of France, Portugal, Germany, Netherlands, Spain etc. However after the last Euro's and given how solid they look, I think Denmark may be in with a shout.They've been very impressive since 2018 now. Knocked out of the WC18 on pens to the eventual finalists. Euro semis they were unlucky to be playing England in their back yard - even then they ran them close. Promoted to League A and coasting their group - could be in with a shout of winning that. I really like them as dark horses Given there's no clear favourite, if an outsider is going to win it, it feels like this one is a tournament it could happen in. The randomness of it being mid-season could also be a factor If you are relying on Braithwaite and Dolberg to score the goals, I think you'll be in trouble against the elite of world football. Otherwise, a very good shout for the Danes. Due to their showing against the Portuguese in qualifying, the Serbs to be my surprise package. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 16, 2022 17:14:05 GMT
Serbs always disappoint at tournaments. I’d like to see Senegal go far, unless we play them 2nd round of course
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Post by saturn9 on Jun 16, 2022 17:26:45 GMT
Serbs always disappoint at tournaments. I’d like to see Senegal go far, unless we play them 2nd round of course Bizzare isn't it. Some serious firepower in almost most Serbian/Yugoslav sides I can remember, and they always struggle. One of the best players I ever saw at European club football was Dejan Savicevic Played for the legendary Ac Milan sides of the 90's. Capello rated him highly. Would have been a superstar if not for injuries. |
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