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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 23, 2022 9:31:29 GMT
No fannying about with 5 at the back hipster tactics, this isn't 2018. Iran should be giving us more space, so we need to play more positively. Bench Bale for the start of the match and introduce him later on. If we need a spark, bring on Colwill for Ramsey and get Morrell on to replace Allen in the second half.
Hennessy Roberts Mepham Davies Neco Allen Wilson Johnson Ramsey James Moore A midfield of Allen & Wilson would get ripped apart |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 23, 2022 9:32:05 GMT
No fannying about with 5 at the back hipster tactics, this isn't 2018. Iran should be giving us more space, so we need to play more positively. Bench Bale for the start of the match and introduce him later on. If we need a spark, bring on Colwill for Ramsey and get Morrell on to replace Allen in the second half.
Hennessy Roberts Mepham Davies Neco Allen Wilson Johnson Ramsey James Moore I like this team but its not going to happen is it? Page is between a rock etc with Bale, he was shite until the penalty incident and was being carried but clearly when it matters he always steps up whether that would be the same as a sub we will never know. Why would the debate be about Bale? What's Wilson and Ramsey done for us to justify a place? I know Ramsey flicked the ball through for Bale for the penalty, but it was played to Bale with his back to goal, 99 times out of 100 the defender stands him up and it gets laid off outside the box, we are extremely fortunate the defender thought the best thing to do is go through the back of Bale. If a hero needs to step up its usually Bale winning us crucial matches. Ramsey is style over substance, when it works everyone notices, but it very rarely does. Wilson is on 40 caps now and the only real moment he's had with Wales is that Ireland free kick. Bale is just as bad as them, but we know he will get big chances in matches. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 23, 2022 9:35:40 GMT
No fannying about with 5 at the back hipster tactics, this isn't 2018. Iran should be giving us more space, so we need to play more positively. Bench Bale for the start of the match and introduce him later on. If we need a spark, bring on Colwill for Ramsey and get Morrell on to replace Allen in the second half.
Hennessy Roberts Mepham Davies Neco Allen Wilson Johnson Ramsey James Moore A midfield of Allen & Wilson would get ripped apart Completely agree. It'll be more of the same. Allen, just off an injury, doing all the work and Wilson waiting for everything to go easy. Fine if he's a number 10, but if he's playing in CM we need him to get stuck in and disciplined. |
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Post by dai on Nov 23, 2022 9:44:23 GMT
I think Page is in a tricky situation here.
In my opinion we need James and Johnson on the pitch to inject some pace into our play, however when Bale, Ramsey and Moore will now be guaranteed starters, how do you fit them all in when playing 5 at the back?
It will probably be something like this up top:
Ampadu - Allen
Ramsey
Bale - Moore
However, I absolutely dread that line up as it has zero pace to it. It may be a time for the youngsters to come of age...........
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 23, 2022 10:07:42 GMT
No way is Page dropping Bale. Bale decides when and where he plays end of!! Don’t suppose anyone can argue with that.The problem lies with also playing Ramsey AND Wilson together. This meant we were carrying 3 players who were on their knees before half-time. The game passed all 3 players by. It meant we only had Ampudu with any energy and legs in our midfield. The rest of the first 60 odd mins we were chasing shadows.
Page has said he got it wrong and lessons have been learnt. From that I’m assuming we won’t see that line up again. So if Ramsey plays then we simply cannot start with Wilson again.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 23, 2022 10:09:50 GMT
I think Page is in a tricky situation here. In my opinion we need James and Johnson on the pitch to inject some pace into our play, however when Bale, Ramsey and Moore will now be guaranteed starters, how do you fit them all in when playing 5 at the back? It will probably be something like this up top: Ampadu - Allen Ramsey Bale - Moore However, I absolutely dread that line up as it has zero pace to it. It may be a time for the youngsters to come of age........... I think we do need pace and we all know Moore will be the first one dropped out of all them to accommodate it. I got a feeling Allen won't play and we'll try again with what we did against USA, maybe with Wilson dropped for Moore. |
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 23, 2022 10:48:13 GMT
I like this team but its not going to happen is it? Page is between a rock etc with Bale, he was shite until the penalty incident and was being carried but clearly when it matters he always steps up whether that would be the same as a sub we will never know. Why would the debate be about Bale? What's Wilson and Ramsey done for us to justify a place? I know Ramsey flicked the ball through for Bale for the penalty, but it was played to Bale with his back to goal, 99 times out of 100 the defender stands him up and it gets laid off outside the box, we are extremely fortunate the defender thought the best thing to do is go through the back of Bale. If a hero needs to step up its usually Bale winning us crucial matches. Ramsey is style over substance, when it works everyone notices, but it very rarely does. Wilson is on 40 caps now and the only real moment he's had with Wales is that Ireland free kick. Bale is just as bad as them, but we know he will get big chances in matches. I was starting to think I was the only one wondering why Wilson keeps starting |
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Post by talyfan on Nov 23, 2022 11:17:27 GMT
Can see Page going with a 343. Not my team selection but from US game
Hennessy
Mepham Rodon Davies
Roberts Ampadu Ramsey Neco
Bale Moore James
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Post by dai on Nov 23, 2022 11:25:58 GMT
Can see Page going with a 343. Not my team selection but from US game Hennessy Mepham Rodon Davies Roberts Ampadu Ramsey Neco Bale Moore James This is what I think as well. Mepham is on a yellow, so maybe Ampadu could slot back into RCB and Allen into midfield alongside Ramsey? (If Allen's fit obviously) |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 23, 2022 13:30:14 GMT
Don't expect the same Iran that England faced, they'll go at us.
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Post by manics on Nov 23, 2022 13:36:38 GMT
Given that we finished with a back 4 and that Allen is back in full training would like to see
Hennessey
Williams. Mepham. Rodon. Davies
Allen. Ampadu
Bale. Ramsey. Johnson
Moore
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 23, 2022 13:40:23 GMT
Yep that would be my preferred line up
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 23, 2022 13:45:31 GMT
Does Page really drop Roberts and sacrifice pace at left back for Davies, who is clearly better in the centre?
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 23, 2022 13:59:13 GMT
Does Page really drop Roberts and sacrifice pace at left back for Davies, who is clearly better in the centre? If we went back 4 then Davies at left back provides balance with his more defensive mindset |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 23, 2022 14:31:55 GMT
Why would the debate be about Bale? What's Wilson and Ramsey done for us to justify a place? I know Ramsey flicked the ball through for Bale for the penalty, but it was played to Bale with his back to goal, 99 times out of 100 the defender stands him up and it gets laid off outside the box, we are extremely fortunate the defender thought the best thing to do is go through the back of Bale. If a hero needs to step up its usually Bale winning us crucial matches. Ramsey is style over substance, when it works everyone notices, but it very rarely does. Wilson is on 40 caps now and the only real moment he's had with Wales is that Ireland free kick. Bale is just as bad as them, but we know he will get big chances in matches. I was starting to think I was the only one wondering why Wilson keeps starting I actually have a feeling that he'll do something big in this tournament that'll make him as a player, but he's letting so many opportunities pass him by. |
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Post by reyrey on Nov 23, 2022 16:26:22 GMT
Yep that would be my preferred line up No way Davies at left back, remember Estonia home the last time he started there 🙈 Awesome in our own half but his crossing and attacking play ain’t up to it. If we are going to have most of the ball with Iran sitting back we need width and quality from out wide imo. |
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Post by welshowl on Nov 23, 2022 16:33:09 GMT
Don't expect the same Iran that England faced, they'll go at us. It's the great unknown - how will Iran set out against us? They have to go for it I presume - can't be as bad as they were against England.
If they sit back then Brennan is surely a better bet than DJ - he's got the pace but more importantly the end product to find a way through. If Iran go for it (and that is in relative terms as they don't have that aptitude), then that would leave space for DJ to do some damage.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 23, 2022 17:37:52 GMT
I think we need to ignore the England result. Saudi Arabia beating Argentina, Japan beating Germany, I think these teams who have to play in the Asian confederation might be more climitised to this. Friday could be a really difficult match for us.
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 23, 2022 17:43:18 GMT
We can't start slack again, we need to be absolutely on it, I still can't believe how bad we were first half against USA, it was the Denmark game all over again. Rodon has to keep it simple too, he's an old school defender and that's all he'll be. There' nothing wrong with that at all, you can go right to the top being that way but only if you don't do stupid things and do the simple things very well.
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 23, 2022 18:06:39 GMT
No fannying about with 5 at the back hipster tactics, this isn't 2018. Iran should be giving us more space, so we need to play more positively. Bench Bale for the start of the match and introduce him later on. If we need a spark, bring on Colwill for Ramsey and get Morrell on to replace Allen in the second half.
Hennessy Roberts Mepham Davies Neco Allen Wilson Johnson Ramsey James Moore Why would you bench Ampadu who was the standout player by a mile against USA but keep Wilson, Ramsey and James who were all terrible? I don't think we're trying to be hip with 3 at the back. I think we realise we don't have a squad capable of playing a back 4 at the level we are at with the players we got, so have more players positioned in the dangerous areas. I'm anticipating less trouble from Iran, and resting/limiting Ampadu against 'lesser' them can only help increase our chances against England. As I stated above, we should be getting more space from Iran, which is why I would keep James and Wilson. |
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Post by dai on Nov 23, 2022 18:08:55 GMT
I think we need to ignore the England result. Saudi Arabia beating Argentina, Japan beating Germany, I think these teams who have to play in the Asian confederation might be more climitised to this. Friday could be a really difficult match for us.I agree. I'm struggling to see us getting a win if I'll be honest. De Jong, who's a pundit on ITV, made a point of how important it is for players to be match fit and sharp for a tournament like the WC, where everyone's 'up for it'. Allen is back in training and could start Friday, so that makes it three essential players then who are not up to speed. I really don't know what to expect tbh, it'll be very tough. |
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Post by yanto on Nov 23, 2022 18:28:03 GMT
Why would the debate be about Bale? What's Wilson and Ramsey done for us to justify a place? I know Ramsey flicked the ball through for Bale for the penalty, but it was played to Bale with his back to goal, 99 times out of 100 the defender stands him up and it gets laid off outside the box, we are extremely fortunate the defender thought the best thing to do is go through the back of Bale. If a hero needs to step up its usually Bale winning us crucial matches. Ramsey is style over substance, when it works everyone notices, but it very rarely does. Wilson is on 40 caps now and the only real moment he's had with Wales is that Ireland free kick. Bale is just as bad as them, but we know he will get big chances in matches. I was starting to think I was the only one wondering why Wilson keeps starting my comments were not intended to just be about Bale although they obviously were!! I do think a combo of Bale, Rambo and Wilson all under performed but both Rambo and Wilson looked better when Keiffer came on (as did everyone). I do think we are close to the point at which B & R will either keep dragging us through games or they will abjectly fail to do so. I hope that's not against England but have a horrible feeling it may be. There is a transition ongoing its whether Page has the balls to pull the plug on either player during in a game - I doubt it. |
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Post by yanto on Nov 23, 2022 18:53:03 GMT
I think we need to ignore the England result. Saudi Arabia beating Argentina, Japan beating Germany, I think these teams who have to play in the Asian confederation might be more climitised to this. Friday could be a really difficult match for us.I agree. I'm struggling to see us getting a win if I'll be honest. De Jong, who's a pundit on ITV, made a point of how important it is for players to be match fit and sharp for a tournament like the WC, where everyone's 'up for it'. Allen is back in training and could start Friday, so that makes it three essential players then who are not up to speed. I really don't know what to expect tbh, it'll be very tough. agreed it will not be the same Iran, a blip for them hung up on issues at home. I hope Allen does not start possible sub at the most. As is being alluded too you can see who the fit teams are and no quarter is being given. If any players do not perform yank them off time to be ruthless!! |
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Post by insertname on Nov 23, 2022 19:00:12 GMT
I was starting to think I was the only one wondering why Wilson keeps starting my comments were not intended to just be about Bale although they obviously were!! I do think a combo of Bale, Rambo and Wilson all under performed but both Rambo and Wilson looked better when Keiffer came on (as did everyone). I do think we are close to the point at which B & R will either keep dragging us through games or they will abjectly fail to do so. I hope that's not against England but have a horrible feeling it may be. There is a transition ongoing its whether Page has the balls to pull the plug on either player during in a game - I doubt it. The defeat to Denmark felt like a watershed moment and I was expecting the last campaign to be a transition phase, it was delayed and I’m surprised that we got a first WC qualification in 50 odd years out of it. That’s a real feather in Page’s cap. It’s going to have to be faced after this World Cup though. Naturally, Father Time is undefeated against every opponent he has ever come up against and the Euro 2016 players will be no different. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 23, 2022 20:05:44 GMT
my comments were not intended to just be about Bale although they obviously were!! I do think a combo of Bale, Rambo and Wilson all under performed but both Rambo and Wilson looked better when Keiffer came on (as did everyone). I do think we are close to the point at which B & R will either keep dragging us through games or they will abjectly fail to do so. I hope that's not against England but have a horrible feeling it may be. There is a transition ongoing its whether Page has the balls to pull the plug on either player during in a game - I doubt it. The defeat to Denmark felt like a watershed moment and I was expecting the last campaign to be a transition phase, it was delayed and I’m surprised that we got a first WC qualification in 50 odd years out of it. That’s a real feather in Page’s cap. It’s going to have to be faced after this World Cup though. Naturally, Father Time is undefeated against every opponent he has ever come up against and the Euro 2016 players will be no different. I think a big part of the issue though is nobody is stepping forward. Kieffer Moore does, in about 3 years he's nearly on our all time top 10 goalscorers, he's always the one to get dropped in attack too. I'd say Rodon, Neco, Roberts, Ampadu have. Wilson should be Ramseys successor but as I've said earlier has never stepped up. James seems like Bale's successor but he's got no end product. Morrell is coming on but isn't a Joe Allen. These lads would be pushing them out of the team if they could. James can't score and Bale is getting us out of jail. Ramsey will have a 1 in 5 match where he is the star of the show, someone's had all of the qualifiers to push him out of the first team and failed. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 23, 2022 20:09:15 GMT
The defeat to Denmark felt like a watershed moment and I was expecting the last campaign to be a transition phase, it was delayed and I’m surprised that we got a first WC qualification in 50 odd years out of it. That’s a real feather in Page’s cap. It’s going to have to be faced after this World Cup though. Naturally, Father Time is undefeated against every opponent he has ever come up against and the Euro 2016 players will be no different. I think a big part of the issue though is nobody is stepping forward. Kieffer Moore does, in about 3 years he's nearly on our all time top 10 goalscorers, he's always the one to get dropped in attack too. I'd say Rodon, Neco, Roberts, Ampadu have. Wilson should be Ramseys successor but as I've said earlier has never stepped up. James seems like Bale's successor but he's got no end product. Morrell is coming on but isn't a Joe Allen. These lads would be pushing them out of the team if they could. James can't score and Bale is getting us out of jail. Ramsey will have a 1 in 5 match where he is the star of the show, someone's had all of the qualifiers to push him out of the first team and failed. Surely Johnson is Bale's successor? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 20:09:47 GMT
Moot point now of course but really hope david brooks can come back to what he was,would be such a good addition to our squad again.
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 23, 2022 20:47:26 GMT
The defeat to Denmark felt like a watershed moment and I was expecting the last campaign to be a transition phase, it was delayed and I’m surprised that we got a first WC qualification in 50 odd years out of it. That’s a real feather in Page’s cap. It’s going to have to be faced after this World Cup though. Naturally, Father Time is undefeated against every opponent he has ever come up against and the Euro 2016 players will be no different. I think a big part of the issue though is nobody is stepping forward. Kieffer Moore does, in about 3 years he's nearly on our all time top 10 goalscorers, he's always the one to get dropped in attack too. I'd say Rodon, Neco, Roberts, Ampadu have. Wilson should be Ramseys successor but as I've said earlier has never stepped up. James seems like Bale's successor but he's got no end product. Morrell is coming on but isn't a Joe Allen. These lads would be pushing them out of the team if they could. James can't score and Bale is getting us out of jail. Ramsey will have a 1 in 5 match where he is the star of the show, someone's had all of the qualifiers to push him out of the first team and failed. Kieffer will play for us and be effective until he's 34, maybe 36. We've all been saying it on here for ages but central midfield is a massive issue for us in terms of depth, we've just got to hope that Savage turns out to be something special. |
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Post by manics on Nov 23, 2022 20:54:55 GMT
After the last Euros, I was desperate for Bale to carry on playing for us but must admit I kind of half hope he calls it a day after this. Delighted that we're at a WC and delighted that he's got us here but he's been playing top level for what 17 years now? Often carrying teams Spurs and us certainly with his body taking a lot of punishment.Was hoping that he'd turn into a Pirlo or Modric strolling around midfield until his late thirties but can't see it. Think we need to move on. Probably not going to be great for a while. May never be as great again but I just think it's time.
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 23, 2022 20:59:27 GMT
After the last Euros, I was desperate for Bale to carry on playing for us but must admit I kind of half hope he calls it a day after this. Delighted that we're at a WC and delighted that he's got us here but he's been playing top level for what 17 years now? Often carrying teams Spurs and us certainly with his body taking a lot of punishment.Was hoping that he'd turn into a Pirlo or Modric strolling around midfield until his late thirties but can't see it. Think we need to move on. Probably not going to be great for a while. May never be as great again but I just think it's time. He dragged us up, he's helped keep us at that level but at the same time the team spirit and togetherness has grown and grown so when he goes the legacy that he was such an integral part is going to live on through the others. Keep the faith, this is only the beginning. |
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