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Post by dai on Nov 27, 2022 14:30:59 GMT
Well he's not going to say 'they've both been shit, and should be dropped'. Of course Ramsey and Bale will play, this World Cup was 'for them', as Page has implied many times. We can all see the result coming a mile away, but it's more important that Ramsey, Bale (and Allen) get to play in this WC because it'll be the pinnacle of their careers. However they've massively underperformed and they will be hurting more than anyone about this campaign. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 27, 2022 14:42:23 GMT
Well he's not going to say 'they've both been shit, and should be dropped'. Of course Ramsey and Bale will play, this World Cup was 'for them', as Page has implied many times. We can all see the result coming a mile away, but it's more important that Ramsey, Bale (and Allen) get to play in this WC because it'll be the pinnacle of their careers. However they've massively underperformed and they will be hurting more than anyone about this campaign. At last, some sensible stuff. At this point I certainly wouldn’t rule out Bale and Ramsey playing and having the games of their lives. I’m expecting us to catch England cold initially with a good start because the pressure is completely off now. Maybe being up against opponents where there isn’t much chance of qualifying and being expected to be beaten will go some way to producing one final hurrah as the sun sets on the 2016 era. Mind you there’s a lot I’ve predicted in this World Cup that hasn’t happened so maybe put your money on 4-0 to England by half time…. |
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Post by llan123 on Nov 27, 2022 14:44:52 GMT
I don't think we can look too much into the England performance against the USA, no team steamrolls over every team in a major tournament. I really do think if they had a decent manager they would win this World Cup, Southgate is just hopeless and not brining on Foden was bizarre.
Even going back four years I think we would give them a good game, I am afraid the squad we have now don't stand much chance of winning. Baring in mind most of their teams play for elite clubs week in week out, whereas ours largely sit on the bench or play at a far lower standard. Lots mentioning the passion aspect, this English team is as passionate as I have seen also, we don't have a monopoly on passion or heart. Besides, we haven't shown much of that this tournament regardless.
I was optimistic in 2016 when we played them, not so much now.
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Post by scarfer on Nov 27, 2022 14:47:47 GMT
we can guarantee that Page won't change things too much. he likes passive, defensive play, which will go tits up Vs England as they're just too good going forward. Mind you, it hasn't done us any good so far in the tournament.
we must get in their faces, rough the English up, push them back in their own half with aggression. I am fed up of seeing us be outmuscled by other teams.
if we sit back against England and not push forward, it will be inevitable that they'll score a hat-full.
there are a few changes I'd make if I were Page. our midfield has been cut to shreds in both our games in the WC so far. I feel we need to pick the players who are playing most often for their clubs and not choose Ramsey & Allen. Ramsey is not fit, enough said. he is not fit enough to track back & help retrieve the ball when we lose possession. Allen can when he is fit, but recently he has been injured as we all know. so, why not pick Matty Smith? he plays more regularly for his club than Morrell. I think we should still play Bale though but he really needs to put a shift in.
the team I'd go for would be:
GK WARD
RB C.ROBERTS
CB RODON
CB MEPHAM
LB B.DAVIES
CDM M.SMITH
CDM AMPADU
RM JAMES
CAM BALE
LM NECO
CF MOORE
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Post by welshrover on Nov 27, 2022 14:50:36 GMT
It's all turned into a deluded boys club,but he is hardly going to say they played crap and should be dropped is he,don't know why they bother to talk to the press anyway,footballers never say anything but platitudes. Unless you are James McClean! |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 27, 2022 16:51:53 GMT
Matt Smith starting a World Cup game against England, that would be quite something, he's started 10 League One matches in this Calendar year.
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Post by fourfourtwo on Nov 27, 2022 17:06:21 GMT
I would go 4-4-2, and pack midfield with ball winners to try and frustrate and break up England's play.
Ward
Roberts Rodon Mepham Davies
Morrell Ampadu Allen N.Williams
Moore James
And if we are still in it with 20 mins to go, we can turn to Bale and Ramsey from the bench
Not that I expect him to leave both Bale and Ramsey out of the starting 11.
I can see the USA and Iran ending in a draw, but don't think we will have enough to beat England, just hoping for a decent performance so we can leave with some pride restored
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 27, 2022 17:18:23 GMT
I've not changed my opinion on what I think would be our best way to start
Ward
Neco Mepham Rodon Davies
Ampadu Allen Morrell
Johnson James
Moore
Johnson and James would provide support for both Kieffer and the midfield plus they could help out defensively, defending from the front. Ampadu, Allen and Morrell would stop us getting overrun in midfield, they'd keep things simple and would be far better at retaining possession as a three with the pace of the lads out wide giving England something to think about. Kieffer wins a street fight with both Stones and Maguire at the same time so he's fine up there as long as Brennan and Dan get up there to support him, something both are far more likely to do than Bale, Ramsey or Wilson ever are. We always have Bale and Ramsey to turn to late on and both would be coming on with a point to prove, how much do they want the dragon on their chest still? The back four, you just don't mess with that, you don't experiment, don't try and be clever, you leave it as it is, there isn't a better Welsh back four than that available and Davies, for the shortcomings he does have as a full back, will be supported by the three in midfield and a player, in Dan James, that will kill himself to cover. The eleven I've mentioned would all leave it all out on the pitch and that's all we want, not players coming off leaving us knowing that they could have done more.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 27, 2022 18:00:36 GMT
If anyone thinks Joe Allen would come out and show our hand to our opponents then you're barking
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 27, 2022 18:04:31 GMT
I've not changed my opinion on what I think would be our best way to start Ward Neco Mepham Rodon Davies Ampadu Allen Morrell Johnson James Moore This lineup is probably our best shout of keeping a clean sheet, although I do wonder whether such a defensive midfield 3 would mean we wouldn't keep enough ball. I guess if we keep it tight and need a goal late on Ramsey could move into no.10 |
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Post by llyn on Nov 27, 2022 19:08:19 GMT
As above we have to play at least 2 of Allen, Ampadu and Morrell. As it now appears we should have in the last 2 games.
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 27, 2022 19:21:03 GMT
Wilson can come in for Morrell or Allen as the game wears on, possibly pushing a little higher up with the other two sitting behind him, Wilson or Ramsey but if one of those two had to start I'd go with the fitter and less wasteful Wilson. You have to keep the ball as much as possible, you can't concede goals with the ball, although we found a way against the Czech's but the less said about that the better!
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Post by Y Fenni on Nov 27, 2022 22:20:07 GMT
Hard to see a win for us, but worth noting that Iran scored later on in their game with England. If we can keep energy levels up then we'll get chances.
That said, I think switching off late in games has become a theme for us under Page. We've conceded a lot of goals in added time as well picking up some embarrassing cards.
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Post by talyfan on Nov 28, 2022 10:49:10 GMT
Going off press conferences and interviews from players I feel the team will look like
Ward
Roberts Mepham Rodon Davies Neco
Allen Ampadu Ramsey
Bale Kieffer
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Post by Counting Crows on Nov 28, 2022 11:42:13 GMT
I’d like to see:
Ward
Roberts Mepham Rodon Davies (c) Neco
Allen Ramsey Ampadu
Johnson Moore
Ramsey to be replaced at some point if it appears he’s being carried. Maybe Bale on for a last 20 min cameo.
One holding midfielder just about worked against Austria, and will work against pot 5/6 teams I’m sure, but it has to be two against most teams.
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Post by dai on Nov 28, 2022 11:43:47 GMT
Going off press conferences and interviews from players I feel the team will look like Ward Roberts Mepham Rodon Davies Neco Allen Ampadu Ramsey Bale Kieffer I really hope not, England will have a field with three crocked players on the pitch in Ramsey, Allen and Bale. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 28, 2022 11:45:59 GMT
I'm sure both Bale and Ramsey will start tomorrow, it would take guts not to pick them, and Page is too loyal to his troops. Third time lucky, perhaps we'll finally get a performance worth watching and no better opposition to improve against than Y Saeson.
Tri chynnig i Cymro!!
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Post by hc16040 on Nov 28, 2022 11:47:43 GMT
Going off press conferences and interviews from players I feel the team will look like Ward Roberts Mepham Rodon Davies Neco Allen Ampadu Ramsey Bale Kieffer We'll get murdered if we put both Bale and Ramsey out. |
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Post by talyfan on Nov 28, 2022 11:51:32 GMT
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Post by jono on Nov 28, 2022 11:57:40 GMT
Nothing to lose so go for it.
Ward
Roberts Rodon Davies Neco
Ampadu Kev
Bale Ramsey James
Moore
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 28, 2022 12:03:48 GMT
I feel like we need James for this one
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Post by welshrover on Nov 28, 2022 12:10:17 GMT
I feel like we need James for this one I feel like we need Jesus🙂 |
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 28, 2022 12:37:18 GMT
Which one? The Arsenal and Brazil striker or the popular religious figure?
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Post by rushy on Nov 28, 2022 12:42:55 GMT
We will need a miracle from either of them, if not both  |
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 28, 2022 12:57:39 GMT
Well one definitely isn’t eligible but the other one is supposedly ‘everywhere’ so I think we could put an argument together to say that he can represent us.
Get Flynny on the case.
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 28, 2022 13:27:51 GMT
I feel like we need James for this one I can’t imagine anyone ever saying that unless we are playing Andorra, if he plays though I certainly hope he proves me wrong. |
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 28, 2022 13:28:29 GMT
We’re going to lose 5-0
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Post by insertname on Nov 28, 2022 15:38:57 GMT
Which one? The Arsenal and Brazil striker or the popular religious figure? Depends how many goals Jesus of Nazareth has scored so far this season |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 28, 2022 15:51:53 GMT
Big moment for Page this. I feel if we start Bale and Ramsey we will get played off the park. If he's brave and picks legs to start I feel that's likelier to keep us in the game for longer. Bale and Ramsey can always come on if we are behind. The 4-4-2 I want to see us use in future might be too ambitious for this one. So I'd like to see either/or of these teams...
Ward
Roberts-Mepham-Rodon-Davies
James-Ampadu-Morrell-Neco
Moore-Brennan
Ward
Neco-Mepham-Rodon-Davies
Ampadu-Morrell
James-Ramsey-Brennan
Moore
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 28, 2022 17:27:05 GMT
Being realistic we won't win 4-0 so only have to win by one. Is if worth playing an extremely defensive line up with Bale and hoping he's got one more bit of magic up his sleeve?
Ward
Roberts Mepham Rodon Davies
Johnson Ampadu Morrell Neco
Bale James
Would love to have Moore in there but we won't be able to get support up there quick enough.
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