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Post by morg on Mar 28, 2023 21:02:35 GMT
Why are we above Croatia in the table?
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Post by hooky on Mar 28, 2023 21:03:18 GMT
Really pleased for Dan James tonight. He needs to believe in himself
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Post by hooky on Mar 28, 2023 21:04:09 GMT
Why are we above Croatia in the table? Head to head - away goal. Just academic of course |
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 28, 2023 21:05:22 GMT
Bale and Allen retired, Davies and Johnson out with injury and whatever you can call what Johnson has or hasn't. All in all I'm more than satisfied with that, room for improvement but there's signs that we're getting it together, if Neco's shot or Wilson's two attempts aren't brilliantly saved we'd all be raving about tonight.
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 28, 2023 21:05:52 GMT
Why are we above Croatia in the table? We got an away draw at their place so in head to head that puts us marginally ahead of them. |
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Post by morg on Mar 28, 2023 21:06:22 GMT
Really pleased for Dan James tonight. He needs to believe in himself Indeed. Thought Ramsey did him a lot of good tonight. Played him in a few times. Don't know why he doesn't switch wings sometimes. We had som much space down the right |
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Post by hooky on Mar 28, 2023 21:07:49 GMT
Davies
Johnson
and hopefully
Brooks (back to his best)
Should make a difference
We need more creativity and bodies in the box
Goodness - how important is Moore?!
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Post by welshwhite on Mar 28, 2023 21:09:26 GMT
I was about to say Morrell was having a strong game but that was dreadful Was thinking the same, one mistake at the end, I've been a big critic but tonight, otherwise, I thought he was very good. Looks like a player who now knows he's integral to the way we play going forward, has that new confidence, always available and, except for one lapse, used the ball well. Looking back on this thread surprised at some negative comments, I thought some of our passing football was sublime at times, I never thought Latvia were likely to get anything after we went ahead. Ward had another assured performance, great to see. |
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Post by hooky on Mar 28, 2023 21:14:19 GMT
Latvia had some big lumps. Not too hard to see how they could have nicked a goal. We needed more than 1 goal but hung on, which is the worrying thing for me.
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 28, 2023 21:20:13 GMT
Page is clueless. Get him out. The tactics and ideas are so poor. He needs to go. Never felt like this before.
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Post by fireboy0610 on Mar 28, 2023 21:22:56 GMT
Latvia had some big lumps. Not too hard to see how they could have nicked a goal. We needed more than 1 goal but hung on, which is the worrying thing for me. Well they made 5 substitutions and we made 1, not hard to see why its was squeaky bum time in the last 10 minutes. Pages lack of management nous could have cost us 2 pts, why didn't he make more when it was needed? It worked on Saturday, we could have won by more if he had been braver. Anyway 4 pts is a good return, I just hope that page has realised his mistake as we cannot afford to go through games like that again, we don't have bale to pull us out of the mire. |
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Post by hooky on Mar 28, 2023 21:23:29 GMT
Oh well done Ward too
Very calming influence
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Post by talyfan on Mar 28, 2023 21:27:32 GMT
Got the job done. Watching the game in the Canton end, always prefer behind the goal as you can see how we set up.
Interesting how we did to be honest when building up. Ramsey and Wilson tucking inside with Roberts and James providing the width. Neco dropping in at left sided centre half when building up and giving us some threat on occasion cutting inside which he does dangerously.
It was
Ward
Mepham Rodon Neco
Roberts Morrell Moore James
Wilson Ramsey
Moore
Nobody particularly stood out. Thought Moore, Wilson, Neco and Ward had decent games. Only thing with the system we really could have done with a left footer down that side just to provide a degree of balance. As that's where it was coming down for most of the game. Either from Neco, Ramsey or James' positions.
Onto the next one!
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Post by hooky on Mar 28, 2023 21:28:54 GMT
Latvia had some big lumps. Not too hard to see how they could have nicked a goal. We needed more than 1 goal but hung on, which is the worrying thing for me. Well they made 5 substitutions and we made 1, not hard to see why its was squeaky bum time in the last 10 minutes. Pages lack of management nous could have cost us 2 pts, why didn't he make more when it was needed? It worked on Saturday, we could have won by more if he had been braver. Anyway 4 pts is a good return, I just hope that page has realised his mistake as we cannot afford to go through games like that again, we don't have bale to pull us out of the mire. He had not learned has he? His learning from WC was the need for energy. Well we found out the brave 3 subs versus Croatia was not brave or tactical genius - its was pre-planned and an effective concession of the game that luckily did not turn out as expected. Tonight instead of fresh legs he decided to let us hang on and hope. We should not be holding on at home against Latvia for the last 25mins ffs! The problem is this does not look sustainable does it and we are not playing to the sum of our parts - despite being a relatively average team - our average team of premiership / championship players had less energy in the last 20 mins and were hanging on against a Latvia team, in respect to which I have no idea who they play for?! Page is managing us as if we are Port Vale! |
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Post by welshrover on Mar 28, 2023 21:30:09 GMT
Well they made 5 substitutions and we made 1, not hard to see why its was squeaky bum time in the last 10 minutes. Pages lack of management nous could have cost us 2 pts, why didn't he make more when it was needed? It worked on Saturday, we could have won by more if he had been braver. Anyway 4 pts is a good return, I just hope that page has realised his mistake as we cannot afford to go through games like that again, we don't have bale to pull us out of the mire. He had not learned has he? His learning from WC was the need for energy. Well we found out the brave 3 subs versus Croatia was not brave or tactical genius - its was pre-planned and an effective concession of the game that luckily did not turn out as expected. Tonight instead of fresh legs he decided to let us hang on and hope. We should not be holding on at home against Latvia for the last 25mins ffs! The problem is this does not look sustainable does it and we are not playing to the sum of our parts - despite being a relatively average team - our average team of premiership / championship players were had less energy in the last 20 mins and were hanging on against a Latvia team in respect to which I have no idea who they play for! Page is managing us as if we are Port Vale! Agree. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Mar 28, 2023 21:34:39 GMT
Well they made 5 substitutions and we made 1, not hard to see why its was squeaky bum time in the last 10 minutes. Pages lack of management nous could have cost us 2 pts, why didn't he make more when it was needed? It worked on Saturday, we could have won by more if he had been braver. Anyway 4 pts is a good return, I just hope that page has realised his mistake as we cannot afford to go through games like that again, we don't have bale to pull us out of the mire. He had not learned has he? His learning from WC was the need for energy. Well we found out the brave 3 subs versus Croatia was not brave or tactical genius - its was pre-planned and an effective concession of the game that luckily did not turn out as expected. Tonight instead of fresh legs he decided to let us hang on and hope. We should not be holding on at home against Latvia for the last 25mins ffs! The problem is this does not look sustainable does it and we are not playing to the sum of our parts - despite being a relatively average team - our average team of premiership / championship players had less energy in the last 20 mins and were hanging on against a Latvia team, in respect to which I have no idea who they play for?! Page is managing us as if we are Port Vale! If page had made a couple of substitutions on 60 or 70 minutes we would have kept up the energy therefore kept Latvia pushed back. |
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Post by cadno on Mar 28, 2023 21:41:29 GMT
Good enough performance and a conservative ending , Iโd have liked to see some attacking subs coming on but I can understand why theyโd want to keep Moore on & see the 1-0 out.
Thought Dan James , Rambo and harry Wilson had good games.
Danny Ward pulled some really good saves off, game time has done him good!
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Post by talyfan on Mar 28, 2023 21:41:40 GMT
Yeah we could have done with some fresh legs to be honest. Really ran out of steam after 60 mins.
Got a bit fortunate that Latvia are wank. Any half decent side would have put more pressure on us or worse. But they were quite a toothless side even when they brought fresh legs on.
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Post by iot on Mar 28, 2023 21:42:07 GMT
Quite a few players answered their critics tonight! Dan James was the best player first half, Neco best player in the second half, and Moore scored the winner. Thank God Page was level-headed enough to start them over the likes of Morgan Fox, Bradshaw, and Broadhead - not to be critical of the latter, but there's a reason why the former are at premier league clubs.
I thought we looked very good first half, constantly looked to up the tempo and probably created enough chances to score twice. We started the second half well too, and came close to another goal a couple of times, but I'm disappointed in how negative and nervy we were from about minute 55/60 onwards. We lacked the courage to continue playing and press for another. There was just lots of timid touches around the centre of the park with very few players making runs and calling for the ball. It allowed them to get back into the game and could have been costly (shades of the Georgia 1-1). I wanted to see Page and the coaches coming out of the technical area and urging the players to be braver, or to make some positive substitutions (although we have to be realistic about our options on the bench), but that never happened.
That said, we're top of the group with 4 points from 2 and looked fairly solid, so it's a great start! If we achieve a similar return in the next window we'll be looking very good for qualification!
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Post by welshwhite on Mar 28, 2023 21:42:24 GMT
Latvia had some big lumps. Not too hard to see how they could have nicked a goal. We needed more than 1 goal but hung on, which is the worrying thing for me. I didn't think we were hanging on, I thought we saw the game out pretty well, they didn't really force Ward into any worldies, Latvia didn't hit the bar, or make us produce last minute goal line clearances. Conversely, their goalie was the difference between a functional and a convincing win. My only concern tonight with Page is that he didn't make more subs in the last few minutes to break up the game and bring some energy to the closing few minutes, but have no problems with the players quality or commitment tonight. I thought that was a pretty competent team performance. Morrell, Ampadu, Ramsey, Ward, very good for me tonight. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Mar 28, 2023 21:54:09 GMT
Latvia had some big lumps. Not too hard to see how they could have nicked a goal. We needed more than 1 goal but hung on, which is the worrying thing for me. I didn't think we were hanging on, I thought we saw the game out pretty well, they didn't really force Ward into any worldies, Latvia didn't hit the bar, or make us produce last minute goal line clearances. Conversely, their goalie was the difference between a functional and a convincing win.ย My only concern tonight with Page is that he didn't make more subs in the last few minutes to break up the game and bring some energy to the closing few minutes, but have no problems with the players quality or commitment tonight. I thought that was a pretty competent team performance. Morrell, Ampadu, Ramsey, Ward, very good for me tonight. We were hanging on, Latvia made 5 substitutions we made 1, that turned the game from us controlling it to them pressing us, yes they didn't test ward BUT they could have had a lucky knock down ala Broadheads goal on Saturday. Page needs to have the balls to make substitutions, the substitutes made a difference on Saturday away against the bronze medal team at the world cup, yet he didn't have the balls to do it tonight against a team over 90 places below us who didn't present any problems, he needs to learn and learn quickly otherwise we will lose a very good chance of qualifying automatically. |
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Post by CymruFach on Mar 28, 2023 22:02:54 GMT
Thought the ref tonight was shocking,
They should have had many more yellows, then possibly even a red by totting up.
Keifer Moore was pulled all over the place
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Post by bringbackelmo on Mar 28, 2023 22:04:54 GMT
Some good performances tonight, I'd have felt much better if we'd got the second goal but how often have we come unstuck in these kind of games?
Ward, Morrell, James and Neco all great tonight. Good to see Ramsey getting decent minutes embracing the armband. And another goal for Moore. Lots of positives.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Mar 28, 2023 22:09:25 GMT
Page is clueless. Get him out. The tactics and ideas are so poor. He needs to go. Never felt like this before. I'm guessing you were born in 1995 if you've never felt like this before. Trust me, it can get a lot worse than this. |
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 28, 2023 22:09:30 GMT
I thought Roberts was poor. Not just slowing down our attacks but poor passing. Maybe he was told to slow it down and allow Wilson to cross from deep, but surely across goal for Moore to attack against 3 defenders is better than in the air with no momentum.
I know he got an assist but James end product is shocking. why do we have to look to set him odf with a ball over the top? What if we gave it to feet and he can knock it around like he used to?
We will probably never replace Bale, but Wilson and Ramsey arent the answer. Neither are physical enough to join Moore in the box. Both prefer neat play around the box which is why we end up for only Moore to hit.
I thought Ward, Neco, Mepham, Morrell and Wilson did well. I'm not sure we've found a system that gets the best out of our players. Happy we got 4 points with a few players retired and missing. I really hope there's more to come soon.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Mar 28, 2023 22:10:18 GMT
Some good performances tonight, I'd have felt much better if we'd got the second goal but how often have we come unstuck in these kind of games? Ward, Morrell, James and Neco all great tonight. Good to see Ramsey getting decent minutes embracing the armband. And another goal for Moore. Lots of positives. Exactly. Could easily have scored 3. Results are everything anyway. |
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Post by cadno on Mar 28, 2023 22:10:46 GMT
Back 4 and keeper have done well overall in these games.
big call what to do with Ben Davies
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Post by rushy on Mar 28, 2023 22:11:51 GMT
The most telling of all I take from tonight's performance was how influential Neco can be when in the final third, and the extra goal threat he has from his style of play, has the skill and productivity to offer much more from a midfield area compared to the LB/LWB position he finds himself currently in under Page.
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Post by welshwhite on Mar 28, 2023 22:13:15 GMT
We were hanging on, Latvia made 5 substitutions we made 1, that turned the game from us controlling it to them pressing us, yes they didn't test ward BUT they could have had a lucky knock down ala Broadheads goal on Saturday. Page needs to have the balls to make substitutions, the substitutes made a difference on Saturday away against the bronze medal team at the world cup, yet he didn't have the balls to do it tonight against a team over 90 places below us who didn't present any problems, he needs to learn and learn quickly otherwise we will lose a very good chance of qualifying automatically. I accept Page is not an International Manager, but seriously, did you think Latvia were going to score tonight ? They were poor and we looked competent enough, there can always be freak results but we didn't ever look like loosing this. I've been nervous before, but tonight I never thought we'd be in trouble throughout, thought the game management so spot on. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 28, 2023 22:14:18 GMT
Only complaint is the lack of substitutions. I felt we were screaming out for fresh legs and think we might have got a 2nd with the right subs
Overall though there's no point complaining as this is an absolute dream start. We'd have all bitten a hand off for 4 pts wouldn't we? Especially with Turkey losing at home to Croatia
Armenia is the game I'm most worried about as they are better than Latvia but equally organised
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