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Post by welshwhite on Jun 27, 2023 9:55:50 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, I thought Chris Maxwell had been released and haven't heard if he's been fixed up anywhere yet.
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Post by talyfan on Jun 27, 2023 10:01:31 GMT
welshwhiteYou're right. Worrying times at the moment in our goalkeeper department.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 27, 2023 16:14:40 GMT
Owen Evans a regular in League Two, he'd be my 3rd choice now
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 25, 2023 20:26:00 GMT
Moore banned from this game because of the red card against Armenia
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Post by dragonsoccer on Aug 25, 2023 20:29:03 GMT
Yes Moore and Morrell confirmed by the FAW - 2 match suspensions
Moore already missed Turkey away
Morrell will miss Latvia and Croatia
Morrell quoted earlier in the week
Moore confirmed earlier this evening by the FAWales
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Post by jimexotic on Aug 26, 2023 16:38:15 GMT
Difficult to see us winning this one after seeing how we fared at home to them and how we performed against Armenia and Turkey, especially without Kieffer, time for Brennan to step up.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 26, 2023 21:30:37 GMT
Time to be brave for this one;
Evans
Connor-Lockyer-Rodon-Davies
Ampadu-Sheehan
Brooks-Ramsey-DJ
Brennan
Think Brooks brings so much more than Wilson so I'd like to see him start and Wilson brought on rather than the other way around. If DJ is injured I'd happily start Broadhead who has started really well in the Championship. Toss up between Sheehan/Savage, but I'd lean towards experience to get this campaign back on track. Savage can come on for the last 15 mins perhaps
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Post by iot on Aug 27, 2023 8:41:59 GMT
Time to be brave for this one; Evans Connor-Lockyer-Rodon-Davies Ampadu-Sheehan Brooks-Ramsey-DJ Brennan Think Brooks brings so much more than Wilson so I'd like to see him start and Wilson brought on rather than the other way around. If DJ is injured I'd happily start Broadhead who has started really well in the Championship. Toss up between Sheehan/Savage, but I'd lean towards experience to get this campaign back on track. Savage can come on for the last 15 mins perhaps The campaign's gone, it's all about the playoffs. I think we need to move beyond the likes of Sheehan, he's almost certainly not going to progress further. I know we have a goalkeeping crisis, but Owen Evans is certainly not the answer imo. Having watched him concede 4 against Wrexham, he looked every bit a L2 quality goalkeeper. A few good saves, but also flapped about a lot and will have been disappointed with a couple of the goals. He's found himself in a very poor L2 side for a reason imo. I would be very surprised if he developed into anything closely resembling international standard. To start him immediately, having had no previous involvement, would certainly be a brave call! Ward is our only option right now, we just have to hope he gets back to the levels he showed previously in his career where he had a good season in the Championship, Scottish prem, and Euro 2020. That far surpasses what Evans will ever be able to producece. We obviously need an upgrade, but it's just not there yet. So we need to bring in any young keeper that shows the most promise (currently Beach) and if they do play well at a decent level, I'd happily see them given a shot - like when Tosh promoted Hennessey after a very good L2 loan spell |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 27, 2023 20:52:40 GMT
Time to be brave for this one; Evans Connor-Lockyer-Rodon-Davies Ampadu-Sheehan Brooks-Ramsey-DJ Brennan Think Brooks brings so much more than Wilson so I'd like to see him start and Wilson brought on rather than the other way around. If DJ is injured I'd happily start Broadhead who has started really well in the Championship. Toss up between Sheehan/Savage, but I'd lean towards experience to get this campaign back on track. Savage can come on for the last 15 mins perhaps The campaign's gone, it's all about the playoffs. I think we need to move beyond the likes of Sheehan, he's almost certainly not going to progress further. I know we have a goalkeeping crisis, but Owen Evans is certainly not the answer imo. Having watched him concede 4 against Wrexham, he looked every bit a L2 quality goalkeeper. A few good saves, but also flapped about a lot and will have been disappointed with a couple of the goals. He's found himself in a very poor L2 side for a reason imo. I would be very surprised if he developed into anything closely resembling international standard. To start him immediately, having had no previous involvement, would certainly be a brave call! Ward is our only option right now, we just have to hope he gets back to the levels he showed previously in his career where he had a good season in the Championship, Scottish prem, and Euro 2020. That far surpasses what Evans will ever be able to producece. We obviously need an upgrade, but it's just not there yet. So we need to bring in any young keeper that shows the most promise (currently Beach) and if they do play well at a decent level, I'd happily see them given a shot - like when Tosh promoted Hennessey after a very good L2 loan spell I don't think it's fair to judge Evans on one game particularly given that he's a young GK by modern standards, who by the time he hits 30 could well be playing at a high level on the back of regular football. More importantly let's look at the alternatives... Wayne - injured & 3rd choice at Forest Ward - 4th choice at Leicester Davies - 2nd choice at Sheff Utd Maxwell - 2nd choice at Huddersfield Cornell - 2nd choice at Preston King - 3rd choice at Wolves Nathan Shepperd - Playing regularly for Dundalk in Ireland Lewis Webb - Playing regularly for Caernarfon I'm not willing to accept us going into a qualifier of any kind without a GK who is getting regular games, it's actually unacceptable. For that reason Evans has to be one of the 3 imo. Now I'm 99% sure Ward will start despite the fact he seems to be settling for being not even a bench player in the Championship, and will just coast into our XI because of the lack of other options We've all seen the impact of starting games with players who aren't playing, and in the last two games I did not see anything from Ward that suggests he'd be missed in goal. Is Evans a risk? Yes. Is Ward also a risk? Yes. Would starting Evans over Ward send the right message? Yes! My choice would be Evans, and my message to all Welsh GKs would be if you want to start for the national team get games at a higher level than this guy, he's the new benchmark. Let's be a bit ruthless, because our poor GK options have been dwindling for far too long and we've been passively selecting number 2s to our own detriment |
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Post by barneycat1 on Aug 27, 2023 21:07:31 GMT
Danny Ward seems to be 2nd choice at Leicester, not 4th.
He is the one on the bench for these early season games.
So would be training with the 1st team.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 27, 2023 21:12:51 GMT
Danny Ward seems to be 2nd choice at Leicester, not 4th. He is the one on the bench for these early season games. So would be training with the 1st team. Apologies, read the other day that he'd been dropped from the bench and believed it but just checked that out and you're right. He's 2nd choice. Which for an aspiring starting keeper for us isn't good enough given its now at a Championship club |
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Post by talyfan on Aug 28, 2023 9:37:55 GMT
Personally I'd just bring in Beach as 3rd choice. He'll never play at the moment and we've called up plenty of young lads who have no first team experience before. I think our keeper situation is so dire we might as well look at the future.
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Post by vvm on Aug 28, 2023 12:01:10 GMT
Thought Ward was decent against Turkey, being dropped at Leicester won't do him any favours but I doubt he's in danger of being dropped by Wales anytime soon.
We should try somebody new in midfield next to Ampadu for the Korea game with a view that whoever it is can do a job against Latvia. This campaign might be a lost cause but I'm not personally ready to give up on it just yet.
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Post by marsvolta on Aug 28, 2023 13:18:53 GMT
Thought Ward was decent against Turkey, being dropped at Leicester won't do him any favours but I doubt he's in danger of being dropped by Wales anytime soon. We should try somebody new in midfield next to Ampadu for the Korea game with a view that whoever it is can do a job against Latvia. This campaign might be a lost cause but I'm not personally ready to give up on it just yet. Yeah, it’s looking bleak but all is not lost yet. We need to remember the we lost back to back games in June for the Euro 2020 qualifiers and still made it so what’s to say that we can’t do it again. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 28, 2023 13:37:14 GMT
Personally I'd just bring in Beach as 3rd choice. He'll never play at the moment and we've called up plenty of young lads who have no first team experience before. I think our keeper situation is so dire we might as well look at the future. With Hennessey out I'd happily call up Evans & Beach along with Ward. However for some reason Adam Davies will make it. As I've said before I'm totally against calling up 3 keepers who aren't playing at club level, I think it's a rookie move to get sucked into |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 28, 2023 13:38:19 GMT
Thought Ward was decent against Turkey, being dropped at Leicester won't do him any favours but I doubt he's in danger of being dropped by Wales anytime soon. We should try somebody new in midfield next to Ampadu for the Korea game with a view that whoever it is can do a job against Latvia. This campaign might be a lost cause but I'm not personally ready to give up on it just yet. I would do a half for Sheehan and a half for Savage and see who performs best, and give them the nod for Latfia |
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Post by iot on Aug 29, 2023 12:49:28 GMT
There's a good chance that Dan James will be out of the Latvia game. With Moore also out, we're looking light up front all of a sudden. It's a shame that Bradshaw's had a poor start to the season. I'd probably go for:
Ward
Neco Lockyer Rodon Davies
Ampadu Savage/Sheehan
Ramsey
Wilson Johnson Brooks
I don't like the look of that side at all - I don't think it strikes a good balance up front, but it's still probably our best bet.
Roberts has had too many poor performances for us now, and although Neco's not playing at club level, he's much more of a threat, so we need to go for it imo.
For the friendly, I would probably go for:
Ward (Beach 60)
Roberts (Neco 60)
Lockyer (Cabango 45)
Rodon (Mepham 45)
Davies (Beck 60)
J. James (Savage 60)
Sheehan (Ampadu 60)
Cooper (Luke Harris 60)
Broadhead
Johnson (Bradshaw 60)
Brooks (Cullen 50)
Chance to test out a new third keeper, but also want to build some sharpness into Ward. Rodon and Lockyer haven't played together for a while so I'd give them a half. Davies could probably do with the minutes - I notice Beck has played every minute in the Scottish Prem to date and seems to be doing well, so I'd give him his debut. I'd test out as many midfielders as I could, give Johnson a go through the middle as he doesn't play there often, and give minutes to Brooks.
Edit - just remembered that Johnson is also a doubt for this international window. In that case, we're truly screwed and would just have to hope Bradshaw manages to do something.
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 29, 2023 13:28:12 GMT
#ReturnOfTheVokes
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Post by iot on Aug 29, 2023 13:59:33 GMT
The campaign's gone, it's all about the playoffs. I think we need to move beyond the likes of Sheehan, he's almost certainly not going to progress further. I know we have a goalkeeping crisis, but Owen Evans is certainly not the answer imo. Having watched him concede 4 against Wrexham, he looked every bit a L2 quality goalkeeper. A few good saves, but also flapped about a lot and will have been disappointed with a couple of the goals. He's found himself in a very poor L2 side for a reason imo. I would be very surprised if he developed into anything closely resembling international standard. To start him immediately, having had no previous involvement, would certainly be a brave call! Ward is our only option right now, we just have to hope he gets back to the levels he showed previously in his career where he had a good season in the Championship, Scottish prem, and Euro 2020. That far surpasses what Evans will ever be able to producece. We obviously need an upgrade, but it's just not there yet. So we need to bring in any young keeper that shows the most promise (currently Beach) and if they do play well at a decent level, I'd happily see them given a shot - like when Tosh promoted Hennessey after a very good L2 loan spell I don't think it's fair to judge Evans on one game particularly given that he's a young GK by modern standards, who by the time he hits 30 could well be playing at a high level on the back of regular football. More importantly let's look at the alternatives... Wayne - injured & 3rd choice at Forest Ward - 4th choice at Leicester Davies - 2nd choice at Sheff Utd Maxwell - 2nd choice at Huddersfield Cornell - 2nd choice at Preston King - 3rd choice at Wolves Nathan Shepperd - Playing regularly for Dundalk in Ireland Lewis Webb - Playing regularly for Caernarfon I'm not willing to accept us going into a qualifier of any kind without a GK who is getting regular games, it's actually unacceptable. For that reason Evans has to be one of the 3 imo. Now I'm 99% sure Ward will start despite the fact he seems to be settling for being not even a bench player in the Championship, and will just coast into our XI because of the lack of other options We've all seen the impact of starting games with players who aren't playing, and in the last two games I did not see anything from Ward that suggests he'd be missed in goal. Is Evans a risk? Yes. Is Ward also a risk? Yes. Would starting Evans over Ward send the right message? Yes! My choice would be Evans, and my message to all Welsh GKs would be if you want to start for the national team get games at a higher level than this guy, he's the new benchmark. Let's be a bit ruthless, because our poor GK options have been dwindling for far too long and we've been passively selecting number 2s to our own detriment Obviously not just judging him based on one game, it's also based on his career trajectory. He didn't get his breakthrough until he was 23 / 24, with a loan spell in L2. Then he managed to play a few games the following season in Cheltenham's L2 winning side. He then had a season in a struggling Cheltenham side at L1 level aged 25 - they must have decided he wasn't good enough because he then dropped back down to L2 with Walsall last season. Having watched him play (have you?), I'm fairly confident he's a L2-standard keeper who's not going anywhere anytime soon. I don't think there's anything to suggest he will be playing at a high level by the time he's 30 - where did you get that idea from? Sure the alternatives are also poor options, but Ward (despite my significant concerns about him) is still the better quality keeper. I also don't think there's much evidence to back your assertion that Ward's lack of gametime is a massive issue. He had his best spell with us (Euro 2020) when he wasn't playing at all at club level, and had his worst spell when he was playing week in week out. We've seen similar with Hennessey. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 29, 2023 16:46:40 GMT
iot haven't watched him personally, just heard from people who follow the talent pool quite closely that he's seen as someone who could step up a few levels towards his prime, let's not forget keepers mature much later
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Post by talyfan on Aug 30, 2023 10:06:30 GMT
Cymru squad: Wayne HENNESSEY (Nottingham Forest), Danny WARD (Leicester City), Adam DAVIES (Sheffield United), Tom KING (Wolverhampton Wanderers), Ben DAVIES (Tottenham Hotspur), Morgan FOX (Queens Park Rangers), Joe RODON (Leeds United, on loan from Tottenham Hotspur), Ben CABANGO (Swansea City), Chris MEPHAM (AFC Bournemouth), Tom LOCKYER (Luton Town), Neco WILLIAMS (Nottingham Forest), Connor ROBERTS (Burnley), Wes BURNS (Ipswich Town), Ethan AMPADU (Leeds United), Josh SHEEHAN (Bolton Wanderers), Jordan JAMES (Birmingham City), Joe MORRELL (Portsmouth), Harry WILSON (Fulham), Aaron RAMSEY (Cardiff City), Kieffer MOORE (AFC Bournemouth), Nathan BROADHEAD (Ipswich Town), Brennan JOHNSON (Nottingham Forest), David BROOKS (AFC Bournemouth), Tom BRADSHAW (Millwall), Liam CULLEN (Swansea City).
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Post by talyfan on Aug 30, 2023 10:13:26 GMT
Par for the course for Page. Never know why I expect him to call up different players each time to be the silver bullet to get us out this situation but we don't have any of them anyway.
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Post by talyfan on Aug 30, 2023 10:18:10 GMT
Interesting to know where Jordan James will play being deployed as a right sided midfielder at the moment for Birmingham.
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Post by vvm on Aug 30, 2023 10:20:13 GMT
Quite an uninspiring squad when you consider the fact Morrell and Moore can't even play the one competitive game we have. 4 goalkeepers also completely unnecessary.
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Post by iot on Aug 30, 2023 10:20:51 GMT
No real surprises, although not sure why we've bothered calling up Morrell and Moore when they're suspended for the competitive game. Can't see the logic in starting them against South Korea, surely it makes more sense to go with whoever we intend to start up front and partner Ampadu. Also find it slightly strange that we've left out Luke Harris - surely the friendly is a chance to actually test him out. Might be Page's way of urging him to get some senior football. Hopefully he'll be in the u21 squad later on (if not, that could be concerning).
Headline obviously is that Dan James has been ruled out, and that Johnson is hopefully fit.
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 30, 2023 10:22:36 GMT
Why on earth have we called up 4 keepers again and 2 players who can't play in the competitive fixture? The mind boggles.
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Post by iot on Aug 30, 2023 10:23:32 GMT
Interesting to know where Jordan James will play being deployed as a right sided midfielder at the moment for Birmingham. What did Cardiff fans make of his performance yesterday? He started his first league game of the season at the weekend, but was subbed off after 60mins and got a 5.8 rating on whoscored (whatever that's worth), and then starts in their worst result of the season to date against Cardiff yesterday. |
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Post by iot on Aug 30, 2023 10:24:28 GMT
Quite an uninspiring squad when you consider the fact Morrell and Moore can't even play the one competitive game we have. 4 goalkeepers also completely unnecessary. I wouldn't mind having 4 keepers if one of them was a young prospect with view of integration into the squad, but it's not that. Doesn't make any sense |
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 30, 2023 10:27:42 GMT
Quite an uninspiring squad when you consider the fact Morrell and Moore can't even play the one competitive game we have. 4 goalkeepers also completely unnecessary. I wouldn't mind having 4 keepers if one of them was a young prospect with view of integration into the squad, but it's not that. Doesn't make any sense Tom King must be one hell of a singer |
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Post by vvm on Aug 30, 2023 10:28:08 GMT
Quite an uninspiring squad when you consider the fact Morrell and Moore can't even play the one competitive game we have. 4 goalkeepers also completely unnecessary. I wouldn't mind having 4 keepers if one of them was a young prospect with view of integration into the squad, but it's not that. Doesn't make any sense The only logic I can put to this is that maybe it's for training games. 2 training games going on simultaneously so we need 4 keepers. Still it doesn't explain why that 4th keeper can't be a young prospect. Maybe you could argue that it's better for them to stay at their club and play games rather than just make up the numbers for us in training but I think it would be much better to be getting them integrated into our squad early like you say. |
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