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Post by allezlesrouges on May 29, 2024 12:07:12 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 29, 2024 12:12:02 GMT
Not quite ambitious enough for me. Love the inclusion of Stevens, Crew & Koumas, but why not include a 4th keeper as per previous squads? It's the key position we should be addressing
I'd also like to see one of the fringe forwards included e.g Collins, Mullin, Joe Taylor or Isaak Davies
Could have also looked at Ed Turns for defense
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 29, 2024 12:18:47 GMT
Gibraltar XI:
Davies
Cabango-Low-Davies
Stevens-Sheehan-Savage-Dasilva
Colwill-Koumas
Cullen
Something like that would be an entertaining watch. Could bring on King, Crew for debuts later on
Slovakia XI:
Ward
Mepham-Cabango-Davies
Burns-JJ-Ampadu-Dasilva
Colwill-Broadhead
Brennan
Maybe something like that, slightly stronger
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Post by winsumluzsum on May 29, 2024 12:33:43 GMT
I think the one player who can feel most disappointed at not being included is Aaron Collins. League One player of the season 2022/23 and then another good season just finished. He's clearly keen to represent his country: www.bbc.co.uk/articles/cljdjnxdxl4oThe most frustrating part of that interview is to learn that Page has never been in touch. This is inexcusable in my opinion, and very poor man management. Is Page really so busy that he doesn't have the time to pick up the phone and provide some sort of roadmap for how a fringe player can get into the squad? This should be basic stuff for a manager with a restricted pool of players. Even if the player isn't included, explain why not, and what they need to do to get in to the squad. Encourage and motivate them. In Collins' case the message might be that he needs a Championship move before he can seriously challenge for one of the 3 attacking slots available. A big ask, but then that could inspire Collins to start the season well for Bolton and earn a move to the Championship. Why can't Page see this? It's really basic stuff. I'm also disappointed with the FAW that he's not challenged on this. This is so fundamental that it shouldn't need to be in the job description. But clearly in Page's case it needs to be. |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on May 29, 2024 12:47:24 GMT
I think the one player who can feel most disappointed at not being included is Aaron Collins. League One player of the season 2022/23 and then another good season just finished. He's clearly keen to represent his country: www.bbc.co.uk/articles/cljdjnxdxl4oThe most frustrating part of that interview is to learn that Page has never been in touch. This is inexcusable in my opinion, and very poor man management. Is Page really so busy that he doesn't have the time to pick up the phone and provide some sort of roadmap for how a fringe player can get into the squad? This should be basic stuff for a manager with a restricted pool of players. Even if the player isn't included, explain why not, and what they need to do to get in to the squad. Encourage and motivate them. In Collins' case the message might be that he needs a Championship move before he can seriously challenge for one of the 3 attacking slots available. A big ask, but then that could inspire Collins to start the season well for Bolton and earn a move to the Championship. Why can't Page see this? It's really basic stuff. I'm also disappointed with the FAW that he's not challenged on this. This is so fundamental that it shouldn't need to be in the job description. But clearly in Page's case it needs to be. Page seems really stuck in his ways, and once an opinion has been formed, there isn’t a way back - to the detriment of the team, I fear. |
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Post by welshwhite on May 29, 2024 14:06:07 GMT
Nice to see Koumas involved, but at the expense of Aaron Collins ?! Lordy.
The omission of Luke Harris needs an explanation surely.
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Post by 1gwaunview on May 29, 2024 14:55:03 GMT
Shame in some ways Paul Mullin wasn't included, also the two above (Collins and Harris). Couple of friendlies to try a few out.
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Post by iot on May 29, 2024 15:10:16 GMT
Agree with lots of these comments. Would have been nice to see Beach, Luke Harris, and then one of Collins/Mullin/Mark Harris involved. I find the omission of Luke Harris particularly concerning.
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Post by welshrover on May 29, 2024 16:41:37 GMT
Do we think Joe Taylor has knobbed us off?
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Post by dai on May 29, 2024 16:55:53 GMT
Moore didn't need to be called up for these two, we know what he does. Should have called up Mullin or Evans instead.
No Owen Beck?
Collins deserves to be looked at, instead of Matondo imo.
Mentioned Harris in his threat, very odd, needs explaining.
No young/youth keeper is also worrying.
Never felt so uninspired about a couple of Wales games for a long time.
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Post by hooky on May 29, 2024 17:17:14 GMT
I am really sorry but wtf Page?
I want winning squads with mediocrity kept to a minimum
Page can be friends with ex players outside of work
Counting down the days to when we get a manager that actually adds something
Page declared Hennessy would always be part of his camps
Despite a long-term injury, Wales boss Robert Page says goalkeeper Wayne Hennessey will continue to be part of his camps because of the person and professional he is.
Does Page realise this is professional sport?
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Post by winsumluzsum on May 29, 2024 17:20:14 GMT
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Post by dragonsoccer on May 29, 2024 17:29:15 GMT
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on May 29, 2024 17:38:16 GMT
If we do lose an up and coming player in a massively problematic position in Taylor, then Page will need sacking. Neither is he that bothered about the GK situation, clearly!
Never thought a pair of dead rubbers would elicit such frustration from me in Page’s management!
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Post by marsvolta on May 29, 2024 18:01:48 GMT
I think we all got carried away with the thought that the whole squad would be shiny new players but, thinking about it, we’ve probably got the balance about right.
Three totally new faces, plus three who’ve only got 1 cap each and Jay da Silva who’s obviously older but still hasn’t got a cap. So that’s seven newish players out of 25.
At least this way these players can integrate with the main players in a somewhat normal (ish) squad rather than joining up with a scratch squad of a pile of youth and inexperienced new players.
Luke Harris is a mystery, sometimes he pulls out, sometimes he’s in the squad but doesn’t play, sometimes he stays with his club for his development. It’s a strange one. Maybe he’s injured? Maybe he’s just not as good as we all think?
Joe Taylor is another strange one. In the old days the old school fans would have told him to ‘p**s off he he’s not committed to us’ but the modern fan is more tolerant of players who have more than one option. Not sure Page is to blame for this though. If he’d have selected him and he turned down the call up then Page would also have been destroyed.
I’m sure there’s talks going on in the background, our recruitment team seem to be hot on things like this, so we’ll have to wait and see. Don’t forget that Scotland haven’t selected him either so maybe he’s just taking time to weigh up his options.
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Post by abercymru on May 29, 2024 18:04:53 GMT
Surprised Mark Harris and Isaac Davies haven't made the cut, presuming neither are injured. Glad there are a few of the usual squad in there though so it can be mixed up a little bit. Agree with you completely. Really no excuse for Isaac not being included! Still, good to see the two Charlies and Fin. I try not to be too critical in general, but calling Koumas up over Davies looks like the bloke in the pub who only watches the Premier League. Obviously an exaggeration and maybe a bit harsh, I just can't really understand it. |
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Post by abercymru on May 29, 2024 18:06:27 GMT
I think we all got carried away with the thought that the whole squad would be shiny new players but, thinking about it, we’ve probably got the balance about right. Three totally new faces, plus three who’ve only got 1 cap each and Jay da Silva who’s obviously older but still hasn’t got a cap. So that’s seven newish players out of 25. At least this way these players can integrate with the main players in a somewhat normal (ish) squad rather than joining up with a scratch squad of a pile of youth and inexperienced new players. Luke Harris is a mystery, sometimes he pulls out, sometimes he’s in the squad but doesn’t play, sometimes he stays with his club for his development. It’s a strange one. Maybe he’s injured? Maybe he’s just not as good as we all think? Joe Taylor is another strange one. In the old days the old school fans would have told him to ‘p**s off he he’s not committed to us’ but the modern fan is more tolerant of players who have more than one option. Not sure Page is to blame for this though. If he’d have selected him and he turned down the call up then Page would also have been destroyed. I’m sure there’s talks going on in the background, our recruitment team seem to be hot on things like this, so we’ll have to wait and see. Don’t forget that Scotland haven’t selected him either so maybe he’s just taking time to weigh up his options. Totally agree in terms of the balance. I just don't think he's got it quite right in terms of who he's called up as the fresh faces. |
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Post by marsvolta on May 29, 2024 18:06:32 GMT
Moore didn't need to be called up for these two, we know what he does. Should have called up Mullin or Evans instead. No Owen Beck? Collins deserves to be looked at, instead of Matondo imo. Mentioned Harris in his threat, very odd, needs explaining. No young/youth keeper is also worrying. Never felt so uninspired about a couple of Wales games for a long time. I think the ship has sailed on Mullin getting called up. As far as Evans is concerned, we’ll see if last season was a one-off. If he can carry on his great form, maybe even at a higher level, then maybe we’ll see him in a Welsh shirt. Collins plays a different position to Matondo but, yes, I’d have liked him to have been included. Beck is injured |
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Post by surge on May 29, 2024 18:09:12 GMT
Bit too much negativity and worry where there might not need to be - let's see how things play out and these games are a bit weird at end of the season - but can we recognise what a good lad Dan James is?
Several stitches after play-off disappointment last weekend but he's (as far as we know) up for more football.
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Post by hooky on May 29, 2024 18:09:18 GMT
If we do lose an up and coming player in a massively problematic position in Taylor, then Page will need sacking. Neither is he that bothered about the GK situation, clearly! Never thought a pair of dead rubbers would elicit such frustration from me in Page’s management! I really like Page as a person and the players clearly like him However, I just have little favour as to his decision making, strategies or selection You know that Savage will be selected for every camp where possible and he does not look like a great prospect, whereas Like Harris who is dual qualified has disappeared and Sorba Thomas who is productive in an attacking sense has seemingly been cut for good as he was frustrated at never getting picked - which I prefer compared to someone enjoying a role as little more than a cheerleader Goalkeeper - he has more or less said Hennessey will always be picked for squads if available when we desperately need to develop younger goalkeepers Then you have a dual qualified Taylor - I don’t see Northern Ireland as that attractive but Wales are showing zero interest in him, Collins or Mullin and yet Cullen is a constant in the squad despite being a very limited player I would have eaten humble pie if Oage got us to the Euros but he failed and he failed 3 times - against Poland, against Turkey and against Armenia in 2 games, which just wasn’t acceptable I just can’t even pretend we have a chance of getting to the WC with him in charge unless we get incredible kick. It’s sad but it’s true as time with him continuing to be in charge seems like time lost for Wales to progress |
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Post by marsvolta on May 29, 2024 18:15:45 GMT
If we do lose an up and coming player in a massively problematic position in Taylor, then Page will need sacking. Neither is he that bothered about the GK situation, clearly! Never thought a pair of dead rubbers would elicit such frustration from me in Page’s management! I really like Page as a person and the players clearly like him However, I just have little favour as to his decision making, strategies or selection You know that Savage will be selected for every camp where possible and he does not look like a great prospect, whereas Like Harris who is dual qualified has disappeared and Sorba Thomas who is productive in an attacking sense has seemingly been cut for good as he was frustrated at never getting picked - which I prefer compared to someone enjoying a role as little more than a cheerleader Goalkeeper - he has more or less said Hennessey will always be picked for squads if available when we desperately need to develop younger goalkeepers Then you have a dual qualified Taylor - I don’t see Northern Ireland as that attractive but Wales are showing zero interest in him, Collins or Mullin and yet Cullen is a constant in the squad despite being a very limited player I would have eaten humble pie if Oage got us to the Euros but he failed and he failed 3 times - against Poland, against Turkey and against Armenia in 2 games, which just wasn’t acceptable I just can’t even pretend we have a chance of getting to the WC with him in charge unless we get incredible kick. It’s sad but it’s true as time with him continuing to be in charge seems like time lost for Wales to progress Are you talking about Joe Taylor? If so, it’s Scotland not Northern Ireland, who have approached him. Don’t forget that we’ve been worried about players defecting to another country loads of times before but, more often than not, they usually choose us. |
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Post by marsvolta on May 29, 2024 18:19:12 GMT
Agree with you completely. Really no excuse for Isaac not being included! Still, good to see the two Charlies and Fin. I try not to be too critical in general, but calling Koumas up over Davies looks like the bloke in the pub who only watches the Premier League. Obviously an exaggeration and maybe a bit harsh, I just can't really understand it. Ironically, the rest of the thread has mainly been about criticising Page for not selecting dual qualified youngsters to keep them on board haha. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on May 29, 2024 18:21:26 GMT
I think we all got carried away with the thought that the whole squad would be shiny new players but, thinking about it, we’ve probably got the balance about right. Three totally new faces, plus three who’ve only got 1 cap each and Jay da Silva who’s obviously older but still hasn’t got a cap. So that’s seven newish players out of 25. At least this way these players can integrate with the main players in a somewhat normal (ish) squad rather than joining up with a scratch squad of a pile of youth and inexperienced new players. Luke Harris is a mystery, sometimes he pulls out, sometimes he’s in the squad but doesn’t play, sometimes he stays with his club for his development. It’s a strange one. Maybe he’s injured? Maybe he’s just not as good as we all think? Joe Taylor is another strange one. In the old days the old school fans would have told him to ‘p**s off he he’s not committed to us’ but the modern fan is more tolerant of players who have more than one option. Not sure Page is to blame for this though. If he’d have selected him and he turned down the call up then Page would also have been destroyed. I’m sure there’s talks going on in the background, our recruitment team seem to be hot on things like this, so we’ll have to wait and see. Don’t forget that Scotland haven’t selected him either so maybe he’s just taking time to weigh up his options. If Page selected Taylor and this was publicised and Taylor then turned down the invite that would reflect badly on Taylor not Page. I'm not so confident that Page has had discussions with Taylor. They should have happened regardless given Taylor's stellar rise, but especially so after it became public knowledge that Scotland were interested. This is where our supine press let us down so badly. Why not ask about non-selected players? A non-defensive manager would happily field questions about non selected players. Are the Welsh media afraid to ask searching questions because they know what a prickly defensive person Page is? |
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Post by marsvolta on May 29, 2024 18:30:07 GMT
I think we all got carried away with the thought that the whole squad would be shiny new players but, thinking about it, we’ve probably got the balance about right. Three totally new faces, plus three who’ve only got 1 cap each and Jay da Silva who’s obviously older but still hasn’t got a cap. So that’s seven newish players out of 25. At least this way these players can integrate with the main players in a somewhat normal (ish) squad rather than joining up with a scratch squad of a pile of youth and inexperienced new players. Luke Harris is a mystery, sometimes he pulls out, sometimes he’s in the squad but doesn’t play, sometimes he stays with his club for his development. It’s a strange one. Maybe he’s injured? Maybe he’s just not as good as we all think? Joe Taylor is another strange one. In the old days the old school fans would have told him to ‘p**s off he he’s not committed to us’ but the modern fan is more tolerant of players who have more than one option. Not sure Page is to blame for this though. If he’d have selected him and he turned down the call up then Page would also have been destroyed. I’m sure there’s talks going on in the background, our recruitment team seem to be hot on things like this, so we’ll have to wait and see. Don’t forget that Scotland haven’t selected him either so maybe he’s just taking time to weigh up his options. If Page selected Taylor and this was publicised and Taylor then turned down the invite that would reflect badly on Taylor not Page. I'm not so confident that Page has had discussions with Taylor. They should have happened regardless given Taylor's stellar rise, but especially so after it became public knowledge that Scotland were interested. This is where our supine press let us down so badly. Why not ask about non-selected players? A non-defensive manager would happily field questions about non selected players. Are the Welsh media afraid to ask searching questions because they know what a prickly defensive person Page is? The thing is, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Page isn’t having discussions with Taylor. Just because we don’t make a public announcement about it (which could be embarrassing, especially as everyone dissects Page’s comments) it doesn’t mean that talks aren’t ongoing in the background. Considering the huge amount of work that goes on to identify players from all divisions , all over Europe, all over the world even, to identify players eligible for us, it’s hard to believe thatonce we’ve targeted the players and got them on board, we’d just shrug our shoulders and let a player go elsewhere without trying to talk to them about it. |
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Post by abercymru on May 29, 2024 18:45:44 GMT
I try not to be too critical in general, but calling Koumas up over Davies looks like the bloke in the pub who only watches the Premier League. Obviously an exaggeration and maybe a bit harsh, I just can't really understand it. Ironically, the rest of the thread has mainly been about criticising Page for not selecting dual qualified youngsters to keep them on board haha. 😂 Fair point. I'm just more interested in seeing some of the in form players, who haven't been so involved, get a chance. Harris doing well and getting promoted, Davies doing well in a struggling team in his first season abroad. They tick the box for me to get an opportunity. Dual eligibility, if they're there on merit, great, if not then I think it's fine to give them more time and let them know they're still in contention. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on May 29, 2024 19:07:04 GMT
If Page selected Taylor and this was publicised and Taylor then turned down the invite that would reflect badly on Taylor not Page. I'm not so confident that Page has had discussions with Taylor. They should have happened regardless given Taylor's stellar rise, but especially so after it became public knowledge that Scotland were interested. This is where our supine press let us down so badly. Why not ask about non-selected players? A non-defensive manager would happily field questions about non selected players. Are the Welsh media afraid to ask searching questions because they know what a prickly defensive person Page is? The thing is, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Page isn’t having discussions with Taylor. Just because we don’t make a public announcement about it (which could be embarrassing, especially as everyone dissects Page’s comments) it doesn’t mean that talks aren’t ongoing in the background. Considering the huge amount of work that goes on to identify players from all divisions , all over Europe, all over the world even, to identify players eligible for us, it’s hard to believe thatonce we’ve targeted the players and got them on board, we’d just shrug our shoulders and let a player go elsewhere without trying to talk to them about it. You may be right, but that's where the media have a job to do. Why not ask Page about Joe Taylor? What's the problem answering straightforward questions? Given that Collins has never been spoken to (despite 3 consequetive seasons of double digit goals and 2 consequetive seasons of double digit assists) I don't share your confidence that Taylor has been spoken to. |
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Post by iot on May 29, 2024 19:14:17 GMT
I think we all got carried away with the thought that the whole squad would be shiny new players but, thinking about it, we’ve probably got the balance about right. Three totally new faces, plus three who’ve only got 1 cap each and Jay da Silva who’s obviously older but still hasn’t got a cap. So that’s seven newish players out of 25. At least this way these players can integrate with the main players in a somewhat normal (ish) squad rather than joining up with a scratch squad of a pile of youth and inexperienced new players. Luke Harris is a mystery, sometimes he pulls out, sometimes he’s in the squad but doesn’t play, sometimes he stays with his club for his development. It’s a strange one. Maybe he’s injured? Maybe he’s just not as good as we all think? Joe Taylor is another strange one. In the old days the old school fans would have told him to ‘p**s off he he’s not committed to us’ but the modern fan is more tolerant of players who have more than one option. Not sure Page is to blame for this though. If he’d have selected him and he turned down the call up then Page would also have been destroyed. I’m sure there’s talks going on in the background, our recruitment team seem to be hot on things like this, so we’ll have to wait and see. Don’t forget that Scotland haven’t selected him either so maybe he’s just taking time to weigh up his options. Yeah I don’t think there’s too much to get upset about, but disagree that he’s had the balance about right. Luke Harris is very highly rated and was doing really well towards the end of the season in League 1 at 18. You’re right to point out some of his decisions in the past to dropout so I’m happy to give Page the benefit of doubt on that, but to not select him would be a mistake imo. Selecting a young keeper (for the experience if nothing else) also would have been nice, while our CF option look pretty bleak so it would have been nice to give one of the older guys who’ve been doing well at a decent level a chance - one of Collins/Evans/Mullin/Harris. That would have struck a better balance imo. I think Sorba also deserved a call up |
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Post by iot on May 29, 2024 19:20:07 GMT
Ironically, the rest of the thread has mainly been about criticising Page for not selecting dual qualified youngsters to keep them on board haha. 😂 Fair point. I'm just more interested in seeing some of the in form players, who haven't been so involved, get a chance. Harris doing well and getting promoted, Davies doing well in a struggling team in his first season abroad. They tick the box for me to get an opportunity. Dual eligibility, if they're there on merit, great, if not then I think it's fine to give them more time and let them know they're still in contention. Is it just me who doesn’t get the hype around Davies? His form in the Belgian top flight has been greatly exaggerated. Not sure what his final goal tally was, but he went into the relegation playoffs barely on double digits and his form was extremely patchy - a goal in one game and a nothing performance in the next. Matondo had a better season in the same league with another struggling side, and he hasn’t exactly gone on to show himself to be an invaluable asset |
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Post by manulike on May 29, 2024 20:11:48 GMT
😂 Fair point. I'm just more interested in seeing some of the in form players, who haven't been so involved, get a chance. Harris doing well and getting promoted, Davies doing well in a struggling team in his first season abroad. They tick the box for me to get an opportunity. Dual eligibility, if they're there on merit, great, if not then I think it's fine to give them more time and let them know they're still in contention. Is it just me who doesn’t get the hype around Davies? His form in the Belgian top flight has been greatly exaggerated. Not sure what his final goal tally was, but he went into the relegation playoffs barely on double digits and his form was extremely patchy - a goal in one game and a nothing performance in the next. Matondo had a better season in the same league with another struggling side, and he hasn’t exactly gone on to show himself to be an invaluable asset Yes. It's just you :+) I've seen Davies at least 14-15 times this season. Toils endlessly each game and makes the most out of the scraps he gets. Brilliant in the air and surprisingly physical in holding up the ball with back to goal. I'm certainly not saying that he should start ahead of Brennan or Kieffer - but he is yet to get a call-up, and by Jove I'd be happy to pay his Ryan Air fare to Faro! |
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Post by surge on May 29, 2024 20:34:27 GMT
GK is the easiest issue to spot but soon we'll also need to know what happens if/when Kieffer declined and retires from international level.
Page has started to use Brennan Johnson as central threat which has been one big positive when assessing his performance as manager recently.
Davies showed against Leeds in the FA Cup game last year that he's able to play as central point as well and offers more physicality in that role. Might be worth a look especially if he plays well in Championship next year.
This window of football is horrible because some players injured after long season, some desperate for a rest and good pre-season, but I would ideally would have liked to see Harris or Davies in the squad.
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