FIFA World Rankings

[welshiron]

To link this to the thread of teams we never play here is a group which has teams that I have never seen play live

Spain / Greece / Portugal )
Sweden (may have seen them but don't remember)
Israel
Lithuania
Andorra / Gib / Kaz

[dai]

Dec 2, 2013 9:08:30 GMT Baxter Cymru said:

Dec 2, 2013 3:15:42 GMT danielevans182 said:

How about this group incase of Coleman losing his passport again?

Pot 1: England
Pot 2: Republic of Ireland
Pot 3: Fucked for this game!
Pot 5: Northern Ireland
Pot 6: Gibraltar

Fucked for this game??

I'm guessing that's the only pot where every country needs a passport to visit. But doesn't going to Gibraltar require a passport as well? 

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Dec 2, 2013 3:15:42 GMT danielevans182 said:

Pot 1: England

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DANIEL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[welshiron]

Up 2 places to 49th

[saints19]

Panama up in 29th. Had a look at their squad - it is dire. We would thrash them with Bale and Ramsey, and would probably beat them by the odd goal even without those two.

Meanwhile the ROI languish in 68th, which even I have to admit is slightly unfair, although I do enjoy seeing them down there.

[Deleted]

Panama?!?! They must be playing weak teams in friendlies every day of the week. Surely a competent Euro team would dismiss them with ease. Just imagine how they would cope with Bale. That would be one game I really would not give a fuck if Bale did it all and didn't pass. Absolutely fucking nuts.

[welshwarrior]

Greece and Switzerland are ahead of England, it's fair to say they are not amused.

[welshiron]

Wales up 2 places to 47

Rest of the group

Belgium 12 -2
Bosnia 25 -4
Israel 78 -13
Cyprus 128 -6
Andorra 199 0

Looking at those third place should be the minimum, interesting to see all the other teams on the slide

[ontheroadagain]

Even more laughable is that Scotland are 22nd

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Apr 10, 2014 18:48:56 GMT ontheroadagain said:

Even more laughable is that Scotland are 22nd

Not laughable when you see who they have beaten-they won in Croatia and beat Poland away in recent times. Both no mean feat and without any top quality players (IMO). In fact I find they are a good example of what can be achieved through hard work and organisation.

[rossettred]

The next World Cup qualifying draw is not actually that far away, July 2015.

And given they use the rankings to create seeding pots, it would be nice to maintain / improve current ranking.

Currently 27th in list of 54 UEFA countries, which would probably see us in the 3rd pot, a significant improvement on the 6th pot, last time out !

[abwales]

Strachan has done a great job with Scotland and they deserve to be where they are. After a few bad results he's completely turned them around, a bit like Speed did with us. Both Speed and Strachan took over failing teams and turned them into great ones, crappy Coleman didn't have that disadvantage and made us worse, what a shame.

#crappycolemanout

[Baxter Cymru]

Apr 10, 2014 19:58:35 GMT abwales said:

Strachan has done a great job with Scotland and they deserve to be where they are. After a few bad results he's completely turned them around, a bit like Speed did with us. Both Speed and Strachan took over failing teams and turned them into great ones, crappy Coleman didn't have that disadvantage and made us worse, what a shame.

#crappycolemanout

Wales under Coleman are unbeaten in 4 games.

#ColemanIn

[cadnox]

Apr 10, 2014 19:58:35 GMT abwales said:

Strachan has done a great job with Scotland and they deserve to be where they are. After a few bad results he's completely turned them around, a bit like Speed did with us. Both Speed and Strachan took over failing teams and turned them into great ones, crappy Coleman didn't have that disadvantage and made us worse, what a shame.

#crappycolemanout

Coleman had to take over in much more difficult circumstances. 

He's done well, put things into perspective. 

Just beat Iceland 3-1, unbeaten in 4 games. Drew with Belgium with 15 players injured. 

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Apr 11, 2014 16:13:33 GMT cadnox said:

Apr 10, 2014 19:58:35 GMT abwales said:

Strachan has done a great job with Scotland and they deserve to be where they are. After a few bad results he's completely turned them around, a bit like Speed did with us. Both Speed and Strachan took over failing teams and turned them into great ones, crappy Coleman didn't have that disadvantage and made us worse, what a shame.

#crappycolemanout

Coleman had to take over in much more difficult circumstances. 

He's done well, put things into perspective. 

Just beat Iceland 3-1, unbeaten in 4 games. Drew with Belgium with 15 players injured. 

He was on the ball in that game as well- a rarity, but a tactical masterclass, the right players, formation & right substitutions at the right times. Not that I think every game is going to be like that, but on that particular night against a very tough opponent he deserves credit for the draw that we achieved.

[abwales]

One good result - Belgium away, a dead rubber for both teams which we was losing until we robbed an equalizer. Speed & Strachan at least got results against teams who had something to play for.

#crappycolemanout

[cadnox]

Apr 11, 2014 17:56:59 GMT abwales said:

One good result - Belgium away, a dead rubber for both teams which we was losing until we robbed an equalizer. Speed & Strachan at least got results against teams who had something to play for.

#crappycolemanout

I'd probably say out-classing Scotland and beating them at Hampden Park is a great result, teams find it very tough there and they were unbeaten in something like 6 games at home before we visited them.

Btw it was the football genius that you love so much Strachan that was in charge in that game

[abwales]

The football genius Strachan who was in the process of changing the teams fortunes around. Similar to when we lost to Scotland whilst Speed was in the process of changing our fortunes around. Coleman hasn't been convincing at all and continues to make excuses, a better man would take responsibility himself.

#crappycolemanout

[Baxter Cymru]

#ColemanIn #CookiesBarmyArmy

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Colemanshakeitallabout.

[marsvolta]

Why do I get the feeling that the ones praising Strachan would be slagging him off if he was manager of Wales

[toshfan]

Apr 10, 2014 19:58:35 GMT abwales said:

Strachan has done a great job with Scotland and they deserve to be where they are. After a few bad results he's completely turned them around, a bit like Speed did with us. Both Speed and Strachan took over failing teams and turned them into great ones, crappy Coleman didn't have that disadvantage and made us worse, what a shame.

#crappycolemanout

All for different opinions but this is crap on a number of levels.

1. It is ignores the very unique and tragic circumstances in which Coleman inherited the role;
2. Strachan has indeed improved the fortunes of the Scotland side but they have performed better after qualification has passed them by; were that a Welsh team you would probably be dismissive;
3. Speed did not inherit a failing team; Speedo instead inherited the biggest turnaround of our fortunes in history as Toshack took a team heading for its knees with an aging squad, little player development and an unsustainable brand of football to a team with a conveyer belt of youth to a team that understood the value of possession.

#JohnToshackSavedWelshFootball #UpWelshFootball

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Apr 11, 2014 17:56:59 GMT abwales said:

One good result - Belgium away, a dead rubber for both teams which we was losing until we robbed an equalizer. Speed & Strachan at least got results against teams who had something to play for.

#crappycolemanout

You really think there was that much to play for at the end of our last campaign? England and Monty were in control of that group from beginning to end.

[abwales]

Apr 11, 2014 23:05:20 GMT toshfan said:

All for different opinions but this is crap on a number of levels.

1. It is ignores the very unique and tragic circumstances in which Coleman inherited the role;
2. Strachan has indeed improved the fortunes of the Scotland side but they have performed better after qualification has passed them by; were that a Welsh team you would probably be dismissive;
3. Speed did not inherit a failing team; Speedo instead inherited the biggest turnaround of our fortunes in history as Toshack took a team heading for its knees with an aging squad, little player development and an unsustainable brand of football to a team with a conveyer belt of youth to a team that understood the value of possession.

#JohnToshackSavedWelshFootball #UpWelshFootball

- I did ignore the very unique and tragic circumstances, but still feel it's not a good excuse for the poor results.
- Strachan turned the results around during the same campaign as his predecessor was sacked, Coleman has only got one decent result in a dead rubber despite taking over a successful side and having the entire campaign.
- Strachan took his Scotland side away to Croatia who were well in the fight for first and got a great result, much more impressive than a 1-1 double dead rubber Belgium away.
- 6 losses from Toshack's last 9 games, 2 of the 3 wins against Luxembourg and Liechtenstein with things so bad he left after one qualifier.... #FAILURE

#JohnToshackDidWhatAnyoneWouldHaveDonePickedTheBestPlayersWeHadItJustSoHappenedThatTheyWereSixteenAndSeventeen #UpWelshFootball #CrappyColemanOut

Apr 11, 2014 23:13:14 GMT @storm said:

Apr 11, 2014 17:56:59 GMT abwales said:

One good result - Belgium away, a dead rubber for both teams which we was losing until we robbed an equalizer. Speed & Strachan at least got results against teams who had something to play for.

#crappycolemanout

You really think there was that much to play for at the end of our last campaign? England and Monty were in control of that group from beginning to end.

When we beat Montenegro - Switzerland became favourites to get second place, I remember reading an article on a Swiss news site about our win and all the fans in the comments were thanking us - we then went and beat them and gave second to Montenegro. Our 2 most impressive results were vital games for the other nations. Switzerland finished 1 point behind them, and they lost to us in their second last game with the last game against Montenegro.

[Deleted]

fact is colemans in charge so we have to get behind him!!I'm still undecided on if he's up to the job yes unbeaten in four but the real work starts in September he's had the last campaign to get his idea's across now he and the players have to deliver NO excuses!!!

[toshfan]

Apr 12, 2014 9:15:44 GMT vandenhauwe said:

fact is colemans in charge so we have to get behind him!!I'm still undecided on if he's up to the job yes unbeaten in four but the real work starts in September he's had the last campaign to get his idea's across now he and the players have to deliver NO excuses!!!

That position is typically fair and consistent from you.

[toshfan]

Apr 11, 2014 23:44:05 GMT abwales said:

I did ignore the very unique and tragic circumstances, but still feel it's not a good excuse for the poor results.
- Strachan turned the results around during the same campaign as his predecessor was sacked, Coleman has only got one decent result in a dead rubber despite taking over a successful side and having the entire campaign.
- Strachan took his Scotland side away to Croatia who were well in the fight for first and got a great result, much more impressive than a 1-1 double dead rubber Belgium away.
- 6 losses from Toshack's last 9 games, 2 of the 3 wins against Luxembourg and Liechtenstein with things so bad he left after one qualifier.... #FAILURE

Ignoring those circumstances is odd and unfair. They were unique and unprecedented. None of us are equipped to really understand the psychological impact it would have had on the players who clearly loved Speedo as did the fans;
Coleman did the double over Scotland; the game at Hampden gave cause for lots of optimism. Does anyone recall Bellamy being so positive after a Welsh game?
Away to Belgium was dead rubber? But Scotland away at Croatia was not? Hmmm?
If your summary of the Toshack era does not rewrite history, I do not know what does.

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Apr 10, 2014 19:58:35 GMT abwales said:

Strachan has done a great job with Scotland and they deserve to be where they are. After a few bad results he's completely turned them around, a bit like Speed did with us. Both Speed and Strachan took over failing teams and turned them into great ones, crappy Coleman didn't have that disadvantage and made us worse, what a shame.

#crappycolemanout

Scotland 'deserve' to be the 22nd best team in the World.? And he has turned them into a 'great' team.

Are you on drugs or something?

[abwales]

Apr 12, 2014 10:04:14 GMT toshfan said:

Ignoring those circumstances is odd and unfair. They were unique and unprecedented. None of us are equipped to really understand the psychological impact it would have had on the players who clearly loved Speedo as did the fans;
Coleman did the double over Scotland; the game at Hampden gave cause for lots of optimism. Does anyone recall Bellamy being so positive after a Welsh game?
Away to Belgium was dead rubber? But Scotland away at Croatia was not? Hmmm?
If your summary of the Toshack era does not rewrite history, I do not know what does.

- Croatia were well in the hunt for first, yes. Belgium away both teams had zero to play for, so yes it was the deadest of dead rubbers.
- We only just beat a Scotland team twice whilst they were at their lowest of lows during the Strachan turn around period in dead rubbers.
- My summary of the Toshack era is spot on. We accepted failure for far too long, giving Coleman another contract another example of the FAW accepting failure.

Apr 12, 2014 12:50:36 GMT CymruFach said:

Scotland 'deserve' to be the 22nd best team in the World.? And he has turned them into a 'great' team.

Are you on drugs or something?

Look at the teams just below them, have their results been as good as Scotland's? No, even teams above them like Mexico have been awful lately and they deserve to be in front of them. On quality they're not 22nd but they've performed like a top 30 side recently. As for my choice of the word 'great' I guess we all have different definitions for it, some would only use it to describe the likes of Spain... its just preference.

[toshfan]

www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/

For once, I am surprised to see some of the teams below us e.g. Japan, Nigeria, Hungary etc.

But good news!