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Post by texan on Oct 18, 2013 9:33:48 GMT
It did look weird at first glance but I've just had a look at FIFA's site and it does make sense. In Nov 2009 Scotland were 46th, Wales were 79th, that 3-0 now counts for 20%...we beat a nation 43 places higher than us. Next month we'll be 44th, Finland (hadn't noticed this until now) are currently 63rd...they're 19 places below us! However...from what I've read up on the pot system for 2016, they're calculated from 3 cycles: Cycle 1: Qualification of FIFA World Cup 2010 + FIFA World Cup 2010. Cycle 2: Qualification of UEFA Euro 2012 + UEFA Euro 2012. Cycle 3: Qualification of FIFA World Cup 2014 (inc. playoffs) Apparently the only teams left that can influence their seedings for the 2016 draw are those in the playoffs, and seeing as only Iceland are below us (Belarus would drop to Pot 5 if they do well), the rest of us are locked in place. It would seem therefore that we're officially in Pot 4 and the Finland game is irrelevant (general FIFA rankings apart). www.footballseeding.com/national-ranking-uefa/ranking-2013/ |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Oct 18, 2013 12:52:41 GMT
It did look weird at first glance but I've just had a look at FIFA's site and it does make sense. In Nov 2009 Scotland were 46th, Wales were 79th, that 3-0 now counts for 20%...we beat a nation 43 places higher than us. Next month we'll be 44th, Finland (hadn't noticed this until now) are currently 63rd...they're 19 places below us! However...from what I've read up on the pot system for 2016, they're calculated from 3 cycles: Cycle 1: Qualification of FIFA World Cup 2010 + FIFA World Cup 2010. Cycle 2: Qualification of UEFA Euro 2012 + UEFA Euro 2012. Cycle 3: Qualification of FIFA World Cup 2014 (inc. playoffs) Apparently the only teams left that can influence their seedings for the 2016 draw are those in the playoffs, and seeing as only Iceland are below us (Belarus would drop to Pot 5 if they do well), the rest of us are locked in place. It would seem therefore that we're officially in Pot 4 and the Finland game is irrelevant (general FIFA rankings apart). www.footballseeding.com/national-ranking-uefa/ranking-2013/I think winning through the playoffs gets you 6000 pts so yes it seems that an Iceland win would put them in pot 3 and relegate Belarus to pot 5. So that Belgium draw may have got us in pot 4 depedning on friendly results for the teams around us in November. |
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Post by texan on Oct 18, 2013 14:09:45 GMT
I don't think friendlies will influence the seedings for the Euros. I believe that UEFA use a coefficient system for the Euros based on results in competitive fixtures only over three qualification periods/tournaments. For the World Cup FIFA use rankings which include friendly results rather than the coefficient system - this was mainly done to add credibility to the ludicrous world ranking system. In my view the coefficient system utilising competitive matches only is fairer and less open to manipulation. If i am wrong I am happy to be corrected. No I think you're right. Read up some more this afternoon on UEFA's site and everything I've seen point to it now being a done deal...we're in Pot 4 to stay. No Scotland rematch then...boo! People may as well start posting their preferred draws etc now then! |
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 18, 2013 16:02:03 GMT
No Scotland rematch then...boo!
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Thats a shame.
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Post by squatter1 on Oct 18, 2013 16:36:05 GMT
Well fuck me, if the rankings have been decided already, we can consider ourselves very lucky to have squeezed in at the bottom of pot 4 - presumably different results in the last double header would have meant we'd been pot 5...
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Post by texan on Oct 18, 2013 18:11:10 GMT
Well fuck me, if the rankings have been decided already, we can consider ourselves very lucky to have squeezed in at the bottom of pot 4 - presumably different results in the last double header would have meant we'd been pot 5... The Belgian draw almost certainly clinched it for us! |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 18, 2013 21:51:20 GMT
Well fuck me, if the rankings have been decided already, we can consider ourselves very lucky to have squeezed in at the bottom of pot 4 - presumably different results in the last double header would have meant we'd been pot 5... The Belgian draw almost certainly clinched it for us! Proving, contrary to the view of some "club first" supporters, that there was a lot riding on this game. I did not mind 3 or 4 but worried about 5. Bad thing about being in pot 4 is that we could still draw Serbia. However, we avoid a very difficult Armenia. |
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Post by scoop76 on Oct 21, 2013 8:02:40 GMT
How about this potential group?
Greece
Hungary
Montenegro
WALES
Cyprus
San Marino
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Post by scoop76 on Oct 21, 2013 8:05:25 GMT
Or alternatively we could get this group:
Spain
Belgium
Serbia
WALES
Iceland
Khazakstan
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Post by Tim P on Oct 21, 2013 8:16:35 GMT
The Belgian draw almost certainly clinched it for us! Proving, contrary to the view of some "club first" supporters, that there was a lot riding on this game. I did not mind 3 or 4 but worried about 5. Bad thing about being in pot 4 is that we could still draw Serbia. However, we avoid a very difficult Armenia. Is anyone on this board a 'club first' supporter? |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 21, 2013 8:34:29 GMT
Proving, contrary to the view of some "club first" supporters, that there was a lot riding on this game. I did not mind 3 or 4 but worried about 5. Bad thing about being in pot 4 is that we could still draw Serbia. However, we avoid a very difficult Armenia. Is anyone on this board a 'club first' supporter? I have never formed that impression. I was not referring to Apostle when I made that reference but the approach of my club, and many of my fellow supporters, has wound me up. |
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Post by Tim P on Oct 21, 2013 11:51:53 GMT
Is anyone on this board a 'club first' supporter? I have never formed that impression. I was not referring to Apostle when I made that reference but the approach of my club, and many of my fellow supporters, has wound me up. I agree, it's annoying. Whilst it's not a unique occurrence specific to Wales, it certainly damages us more than it does nations with larger populations. Speaking of which, bizarrely (or maybe not), the only liverpool fans that I have met who are even remotely interested in the english national team all happen to be... Welsh.  |
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 28, 2013 21:28:36 GMT
Wales down 12 places
Does that mean we are in Pot 4 for the Euro's?
Hope it's not pot 5
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Post by rossettred on Nov 28, 2013 23:08:10 GMT
No we are safely in Pot 4 for February's euro draw ... this is not going to change
Pot 1: Spain, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, England, Portugal, Greece, Russia, Bosnia-Herzegovina
Pot 2: Croatia, Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Belgium, Czech Republic, Hungary, Republic of Ireland
Pot 3: Serbia, Turkey, Slovenia, Israel, Norway, Slovakia, Romania, Austria, Montenegro
Pot 4: Armenia, Poland, Scotland, Finland, Latvia, Wales, Bulgaria, Estonia, Belarus
Pot 5: Iceland, Northern Ireland, Albania, Lithuania, Moldova, FYR Macedonia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Cyprus
Pot 6: Luxembourg, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein, Faroe Islands, Malta, Andorra, San Marino, Gibraltar
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Post by welshiron on Nov 29, 2013 9:41:55 GMT
Great draw for qualifying
Bosnia
Hungary/
Norway/Slovakia/Montenegro
Moldova/ Azerbaijan/
Andorra/ San Marin/ Gibraltar
Nightmare
Spain / Germany / Holland
Belgium
Serbia
Iceland
doesn't matter
From the nightmare draw we would find it very difficult to qualify
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Post by welshiron on Nov 29, 2013 9:45:31 GMT
How about a sunshine tour
Spain
Croatia
Turkey
Cyprus
Gibraltar
Not the best for qualifying but good for Coleman's tan
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Post by toshfan on Nov 29, 2013 12:22:29 GMT
Great draw for qualifying Bosnia Hungary/ Norway/Slovakia/Montenegro Moldova/ Azerbaijan/ Andorra/ San Marin/ Gibraltar Nightmare Spain / Germany / Holland Belgium Serbia Iceland doesn't matter From the nightmare draw we would find it very difficult to qualify I agree with most of this, except would not consider Azerbaijan to be a good draw from pot 5. A very difficult place to go. Whilst it would be great to get Bosnia (relatively speaking) from pot 1. I think it will be pots 2 & 3 that will influence things the greatest. Please no Belgium or Serbia! Best thing about being in pot 4 is that we have avoided Armenia & Finland. The former are especially strong. |
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Post by tbm on Nov 29, 2013 13:04:14 GMT
How about a sunshine tour Spain Croatia Turkey Cyprus Gibraltar Not the best for qualifying but good for Coleman's tan Your top and bottom seeds are being kept apart because of Hispanic sulking. |
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Post by flynnfan on Nov 29, 2013 14:54:39 GMT
How about a sunshine tour Spain Croatia Turkey Cyprus Gibraltar Not the best for qualifying but good for Coleman's tan Your top and bottom seeds are being kept apart because of Hispanic sulking. so bizarre... |
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Post by yanto on Nov 29, 2013 18:18:19 GMT
i'd go with England, republic of I, austria and then pot(lol) luck with the others. gutted we can't play the jocks again but i'm almost certain we will get eng and/or ROI. Why? not a fookin clue.
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 29, 2013 21:45:01 GMT
How about a sunshine tour Spain Croatia Turkey Cyprus Gibraltar Not the best for qualifying but good for Coleman's tan LOL!!! - Nice one Welshiron  |
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 29, 2013 21:47:14 GMT
gutted we can't play the jocks again TBH Yanto i wouldn't want to play Jocks again coz think Wee Gordon has got them playing a bit (ok lucky in Norway) but think they are tougher now and law of averages etc |
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 29, 2013 21:49:57 GMT
Great draw for qualifying
Bosnia
Hungary/
Norway/Slovakia/Montenegro
Moldova/ Azerbaijan/
Andorra/ San Marin/ Gibraltar
Replace Bosnia with Greece and it's even better IMO (Bosnia beat Greece to qualify for WC outright)
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 29, 2013 21:58:28 GMT
Thought Norway were just above us in latest rankings so how come they in Pot 3?
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 30, 2013 12:56:52 GMT
Iceland In Pot 5 is a joke
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Post by yanto on Dec 1, 2013 18:10:11 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Dec 1, 2013 18:34:45 GMT
Iceland pot 5 is a disgrace!!!!! I'd actually like Germany in our group because we sometimes get results against them and they'll thrash the rest of the group leaving us to get 2nd place!!!!
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Post by quetzal on Dec 1, 2013 18:35:25 GMT
Iceland pot 5 is a disgrace!!!!! I'd actually like Germany in our group because we sometimes get results against them and they'll thrash the rest of the group leaving us to get 2nd place!!!!
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Post by danielevans182 on Dec 2, 2013 3:15:42 GMT
How about this group incase of Coleman losing his passport again?
Pot 1: England
Pot 2: Republic of Ireland
Pot 3: Fucked for this game!
Pot 5: Northern Ireland
Pot 6: Gibraltar
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Dec 2, 2013 9:08:30 GMT
How about this group incase of Coleman losing his passport again? Pot 1: England Pot 2: Republic of Ireland Pot 3: Fucked for this game! Pot 5: Northern Ireland Pot 6: Gibraltar Fucked for this game?? |
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