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Post by conwy10 on Sept 20, 2020 12:05:01 GMT
Some posters on here need to behave, a lot of people are forgetting only 15-20 years ago we shared regular fixtures with Cardiff & Swansea, along with Bournemouth, Brentford & Bristol City. If Wrexham entered the Welsh system, I'd stop going. I want the dream of Manchester United or Arsenal in the cup (or even the league!), not fucking Penybont away on the weekend then Moldova on Tuesday night. It's an absolute delusion to think you'd solve Welsh football's problems by sticking Cardiff/Swans/Wrexham/Newport in the WPL, you'd just be lowering them down to the level of the current dross and the current crowds would disappear overnight. A better solution would be to allow us all back into the Welsh Cup with a Europa League slot up for grabs in lieu of FA Cup European qualification, and for Welsh system clubs to set up more robust academies that hoover up absolutely every child in their area, with the aim of selling on to English clubs for massive fees - being outside of the FA's jurisdiction, they're in a prime spot to avoid the EPPP bollocks. I think allowing us to compete in Europe is banned. Think Liechtenstein can because they don’t have a league. I’m the same to be honest, I’m from Conwy, I’m a die hard Wrexham fan because they are the professional club of North Wales, if Wrexham were to join the Welsh league I might as well just support Conwy Borough. |
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Post by robin1864 on Sept 20, 2020 12:35:05 GMT
Some posters on here need to behave, a lot of people are forgetting only 15-20 years ago we shared regular fixtures with Cardiff & Swansea, along with Bournemouth, Brentford & Bristol City. If Wrexham entered the Welsh system, I'd stop going. I want the dream of Manchester United or Arsenal in the cup (or even the league!), not fucking Penybont away on the weekend then Moldova on Tuesday night. It's an absolute delusion to think you'd solve Welsh football's problems by sticking Cardiff/Swans/Wrexham/Newport in the WPL, you'd just be lowering them down to the level of the current dross and the current crowds would disappear overnight. A better solution would be to allow us all back into the Welsh Cup with a Europa League slot up for grabs in lieu of FA Cup European qualification, and for Welsh system clubs to set up more robust academies that hoover up absolutely every child in their area, with the aim of selling on to English clubs for massive fees - being outside of the FA's jurisdiction, they're in a prime spot to avoid the EPPP bollocks. I think allowing us to compete in Europe is banned. Think Liechtenstein can because they don’t have a league. I’m the same to be honest, I’m from Conwy, I’m a die hard Wrexham fan because they are the professional club of North Wales, if Wrexham were to join the Welsh league I might as well just support Conwy Borough. Likewise, I'd find it hard to justify travelling to the Racecourse when TNS are only 2 miles away. |
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Post by derynglas on Sept 20, 2020 18:25:56 GMT
Looks like Merthyr Town FC may be about to suspend all football activities for the season.
Seen on twitter that English fa would allow them to continue at the same level next
season if this happens as a result of the covid crisis.
Read a couple of fans blogs.One in August saying that there have been meetings between club directors
and FAW with view to joining Welsh pyramid in the near future.
Merthyr is fan owned and would need a 75% vote in favour from members to sanction a change
like this so may seem unlikely.
I rem that the club would have joinrd the LOW at its formation in 1992 had they been forced although didnt want to
and actually vowed to be first club to win it in that event..In the end they were the 1 club to win their
appeal to remain in the English pyramid as the highest placed non league club at the time.
In about 1996 chairman John Reddy famous for his run ins with the FAW in the early 90s changed
his mind and decided he wanted to take Merthyr into the LOW as the support wasnt there
to acheive football league status.It was quite a surprise at the time that the fans
voted againt his idea and the club remained in the English system.
Fast forward to today and its the same situation with an element in the clubs fan base and ownership
seeing the Welsh system as the way forward but convincing the majority of the
fanbase being the biggest obstacle.
In the meantime prob be an announcment tomorrow officially stating whether Merthyr
will be playing football at all this season due to the uncertainties caused by
covid and when fans will be allowed in etc.
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Post by iot on Sept 20, 2020 19:43:04 GMT
Some posters on here need to behave, a lot of people are forgetting only 15-20 years ago we shared regular fixtures with Cardiff & Swansea, along with Bournemouth, Brentford & Bristol City. If Wrexham entered the Welsh system, I'd stop going. I want the dream of Manchester United or Arsenal in the cup (or even the league!), not fucking Penybont away on the weekend then Moldova on Tuesday night. It's an absolute delusion to think you'd solve Welsh football's problems by sticking Cardiff/Swans/Wrexham/Newport in the WPL, you'd just be lowering them down to the level of the current dross and the current crowds would disappear overnight. A better solution would be to allow us all back into the Welsh Cup with a Europa League slot up for grabs in lieu of FA Cup European qualification, and for Welsh system clubs to set up more robust academies that hoover up absolutely every child in their area, with the aim of selling on to English clubs for massive fees - being outside of the FA's jurisdiction, they're in a prime spot to avoid the EPPP bollocks. I get the arguments on both sides of the debate, but the one thing I can't stand is this sort of sneering attitude towards the welsh prem and those engaged in Welsh domestic football. Talk about delusions of grandeur... |
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Post by robin1864 on Sept 20, 2020 20:21:24 GMT
Some posters on here need to behave, a lot of people are forgetting only 15-20 years ago we shared regular fixtures with Cardiff & Swansea, along with Bournemouth, Brentford & Bristol City. If Wrexham entered the Welsh system, I'd stop going. I want the dream of Manchester United or Arsenal in the cup (or even the league!), not fucking Penybont away on the weekend then Moldova on Tuesday night. It's an absolute delusion to think you'd solve Welsh football's problems by sticking Cardiff/Swans/Wrexham/Newport in the WPL, you'd just be lowering them down to the level of the current dross and the current crowds would disappear overnight. A better solution would be to allow us all back into the Welsh Cup with a Europa League slot up for grabs in lieu of FA Cup European qualification, and for Welsh system clubs to set up more robust academies that hoover up absolutely every child in their area, with the aim of selling on to English clubs for massive fees - being outside of the FA's jurisdiction, they're in a prime spot to avoid the EPPP bollocks. I get the arguments on both sides of the debate, but the one thing I can't stand is this sort of sneering attitude towards the welsh prem and those engaged in Welsh domestic football. Talk about delusions of grandeur... I don't think it's sneering to call it shit football, it's ridiculous to think putting exile clubs into the WPL will improve it. Like I said, the FAW should focus on working with Cymru Prem & Cymru N/S sides to build academies that mirror the high standards of those found in EFL Championship clubs, hoover up every local kid then sell the properly talented ones for ££££ to English sides, bypassing the shit EPPP tariffs. Delusions of grandeur? If you spoke to a Swans fan 20 years ago when they were going bankrupt and offered them a slot in the League of Wales, would you call them delusional if they turned you down and said one one day they'd be playing Man United off the park and have European nights in Valencia & Napoli? Fans of clubs who've had a bite of the English football cherry would never go to the WPL because it deprives them of those opportunities. You can harp on all you like about "regular European football", but there's a day and night difference between Torshavn & Valencia, and the ceiling on Welsh football would never make it financially viable to get a squad of sufficient standard to reach those latter stages - even Barry at the height of their spending couldn't crack it, because properly talented footballers didn't fancy playing against Caersws who were fielding Paul & Ste from the local. |
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Post by iot on Sept 20, 2020 20:45:28 GMT
I get the arguments on both sides of the debate, but the one thing I can't stand is this sort of sneering attitude towards the welsh prem and those engaged in Welsh domestic football. Talk about delusions of grandeur... I don't think it's sneering to call it shit football, it's ridiculous to think putting exile clubs into the WPL will improve it. Like I said, the FAW should focus on working with Cymru Prem & Cymru N/S sides to build academies that mirror the high standards of those found in EFL Championship clubs, hoover up every local kid then sell the properly talented ones for ££££ to English sides, bypassing the shit EPPP tariffs. Delusions of grandeur? If you spoke to a Swans fan 20 years ago when they were going bankrupt and offered them a slot in the League of Wales, would you call them delusional if they turned you down and said one one day they'd be playing Man United off the park and have European nights in Valencia & Napoli? Fans of clubs who've had a bite of the English football cherry would never go to the WPL because it deprives them of those opportunities. You can harp on all you like about "regular European football", but there's a day and night difference between Torshavn & Valencia, and the ceiling on Welsh football would never make it financially viable to get a squad of sufficient standard to reach those latter stages - even Barry at the height of their spending couldn't crack it, because properly talented footballers didn't fancy playing against Caersws who were fielding Paul & Ste from the local. "I don't think it's sneering to call it shit football". Yes, that most definitely is sneering by any definition. I wasn't picking you up on any of the points made, some of them are fair. I was more picking you up on the sneering, shitty attitude. |
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Post by robin1864 on Sept 20, 2020 23:15:24 GMT
It's not sneering though, it's just a very blunt statement of the facts.
To go a step further, I'd speculate that if Swansea were shoe-horned in 20 years ago, we'd have no Ash, no Allen, no Davies and certainly no Rodon/Cabango/Roberts, as there would be no English club would be willing to take the risk of playing them, or patient enough to take them to the next level, they'd all be stuck playing League 1-2 football despite their talent.
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Post by jimbo82 on Sept 21, 2020 13:17:08 GMT
There are a couple of interesting videos on youtube where people have put the English-based clubs into the Welsh league and then let it run to see what happens. Obviously not completely scientific, but interesting to watch: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs9WdVDBvko |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 21, 2020 13:41:57 GMT
Some posters on here need to behave, a lot of people are forgetting only 15-20 years ago we shared regular fixtures with Cardiff & Swansea, along with Bournemouth, Brentford & Bristol City. If Wrexham entered the Welsh system, I'd stop going. I want the dream of Manchester United or Arsenal in the cup (or even the league!), not fucking Penybont away on the weekend then Moldova on Tuesday night. It's an absolute delusion to think you'd solve Welsh football's problems by sticking Cardiff/Swans/Wrexham/Newport in the WPL, you'd just be lowering them down to the level of the current dross and the current crowds would disappear overnight. A better solution would be to allow us all back into the Welsh Cup with a Europa League slot up for grabs in lieu of FA Cup European qualification, and for Welsh system clubs to set up more robust academies that hoover up absolutely every child in their area, with the aim of selling on to English clubs for massive fees - being outside of the FA's jurisdiction, they're in a prime spot to avoid the EPPP bollocks. I don't necessarily disagree with your argument as a whole & I also agree that allowing Welsh clubs back in the Welsh Cup with the possibility of a Europa League spot (put Welsh teams into this instead of the League Cup perhaps) would actually be a better solution at present Your framing of the Penybont/Moldova argument is completely inconsistent though. You could just as easily say 'I want the dream of AC Milan or Sporting Lisbon (or even Europa League proper). Not fucking King's Lynn Town away on the weekend then Wealdstone on a Tuesday night' Again I don't disagree there may be better solutions overall but I think there are credible points being made on both sides of this. As a Cardiff fan myself, I'd personally love to see us competing to get in the Europa League group stage every year & winning league titles/cups as opposed to being a yo-yo club forever |
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Post by robin1864 on Sept 21, 2020 14:05:23 GMT
Some posters on here need to behave, a lot of people are forgetting only 15-20 years ago we shared regular fixtures with Cardiff & Swansea, along with Bournemouth, Brentford & Bristol City. If Wrexham entered the Welsh system, I'd stop going. I want the dream of Manchester United or Arsenal in the cup (or even the league!), not fucking Penybont away on the weekend then Moldova on Tuesday night. It's an absolute delusion to think you'd solve Welsh football's problems by sticking Cardiff/Swans/Wrexham/Newport in the WPL, you'd just be lowering them down to the level of the current dross and the current crowds would disappear overnight. A better solution would be to allow us all back into the Welsh Cup with a Europa League slot up for grabs in lieu of FA Cup European qualification, and for Welsh system clubs to set up more robust academies that hoover up absolutely every child in their area, with the aim of selling on to English clubs for massive fees - being outside of the FA's jurisdiction, they're in a prime spot to avoid the EPPP bollocks. I don't necessarily disagree with your argument as a whole & I also agree that allowing Welsh clubs back in the Welsh Cup with the possibility of a Europa League spot (put Welsh teams into this instead of the League Cup perhaps) would actually be a better solution at present Your framing of the Penybont/Moldova argument is completely inconsistent though. You could just as easily say 'I want the dream of AC Milan or Sporting Lisbon (or even Europa League proper). Not fucking King's Lynn Town away on the weekend then Wealdstone on a Tuesday night' Again I don't disagree there may be better solutions overall but I think there are credible points being made on both sides of this. As a Cardiff fan myself, I'd personally love to see us competing to get in the Europa League group stage every year & winning league titles/cups as opposed to being a yo-yo club forever Penybont is the peak of Welsh football though, the peak of English football King's Lynn is not, and therein lies the problem. As I stated earlier, the quality of the WPL simply doesn't make it financially viable to build a squad capable of reaching AC Milan/Valencia or the group stages - why spend on Premier League standard players when you can win the WPL emphatically with Conference North standard players? Swansea made the knock out stage because the wealth in the English system allows for far more capable squads to be assembled, and they had a very real chance of winning it. The best the New Saints and CQN can do is a bunch of lads who weren't good enough for Wrexham. |
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Post by gimli on Sept 21, 2020 14:19:37 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 21, 2020 15:00:00 GMT
I don't necessarily disagree with your argument as a whole & I also agree that allowing Welsh clubs back in the Welsh Cup with the possibility of a Europa League spot (put Welsh teams into this instead of the League Cup perhaps) would actually be a better solution at present Your framing of the Penybont/Moldova argument is completely inconsistent though. You could just as easily say 'I want the dream of AC Milan or Sporting Lisbon (or even Europa League proper). Not fucking King's Lynn Town away on the weekend then Wealdstone on a Tuesday night' Again I don't disagree there may be better solutions overall but I think there are credible points being made on both sides of this. As a Cardiff fan myself, I'd personally love to see us competing to get in the Europa League group stage every year & winning league titles/cups as opposed to being a yo-yo club forever Penybont is the peak of Welsh football though, the peak of English football King's Lynn is not, and therein lies the problem. As I stated earlier, the quality of the WPL simply doesn't make it financially viable to build a squad capable of reaching AC Milan/Valencia or the group stages - why spend on Premier League standard players when you can win the WPL emphatically with Conference North standard players? Swansea made the knock out stage because the wealth in the English system allows for far more capable squads to be assembled, and they had a very real chance of winning it. The best the New Saints and CQN can do is a bunch of lads who weren't good enough for Wrexham. Penybont is not the peak of Welsh football, come on. I mean, Shamrock Rovers played AC Milan the other day - and they made the group stages either last season or the season before. The Irish League isn’t much better than the Cymru Premier although I’ll grant you it’s a rare occurence. I agree the current financial structure isn’t currently in place for the league to really prosper & of course Swansea’s success was due to being in the English leagues. I don’t doubt the quality would drop if teams moved over. But with the large catchments that Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham have - more money would come into the league with them moving over. It’s all systemic obviously and other systemic changes would need to occur too - which would likely be slow. Not even saying that it’s plausible - I don’t actually know. Just that I’d never rule it out because I think there are still arguments for and against Out of curiosity - would you be for or against Merthyr moving over to the Welsh leagues? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 21, 2020 15:03:07 GMT
I assume they’d only do this if they knew it would protect their position within their current league? Wondering how this will affect their playing squad as well? Surely lots of players would want to leave to play this season rather than wasting it. Need to know more but seems a strange one |
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Post by robin1864 on Sept 21, 2020 15:37:30 GMT
Penybont is the peak of Welsh football though, the peak of English football King's Lynn is not, and therein lies the problem. As I stated earlier, the quality of the WPL simply doesn't make it financially viable to build a squad capable of reaching AC Milan/Valencia or the group stages - why spend on Premier League standard players when you can win the WPL emphatically with Conference North standard players? Swansea made the knock out stage because the wealth in the English system allows for far more capable squads to be assembled, and they had a very real chance of winning it. The best the New Saints and CQN can do is a bunch of lads who weren't good enough for Wrexham. Penybont is not the peak of Welsh football, come on. I mean, Shamrock Rovers played AC Milan the other day - and they made the group stages either last season or the season before. The Irish League isn’t much better than the Cymru Premier although I’ll grant you it’s a rare occurence. I agree the current financial structure isn’t currently in place for the league to really prosper & of course Swansea’s success was due to being in the English leagues. I don’t doubt the quality would drop if teams moved over. But with the large catchments that Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham have - more money would come into the league with them moving over. It’s all systemic obviously and other systemic changes would need to occur too - which would likely be slow. Not even saying that it’s plausible - I don’t actually know. Just that I’d never rule it out because I think there are still arguments for and against Out of curiosity - would you be for or against Merthyr moving over to the Welsh leagues? 50 years ago "catchment areas" might have meant something, but Manchester and Liverpool are only an hour and a half away from Wrexham, and Mid Wales is already Shrewsbury territory. Added to that, you can watch the Premier League from the comfort of the toilet seat these days. Cardiff Met are in a large population centre and their crowds are negligible, Aberystwyth are thousands of miles away from civilisation and their crowds are also negligible. People just don't want to watch it because its a gash product played in god awful facilities, and putting us lot in there in hopes of solving it is foolish - I'd advocate B teams or "Dinas Caerdydd" type teams entering the system to raise the stakes, but the carrot crunchers get precious about that - if they have to suffer the indignity of the Welsh system, we should all have to suffer! It probably makes sense for Merthyr to join the Welsh system, like Colwyn Bay they've been a financial basket case since forever and it cuts down their travel costs. They've never been close to the "Big 4" and have spent much of their history kicking about with clubs of a similar standard that you'd find in Wales. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 21, 2020 15:51:50 GMT
Penybont is not the peak of Welsh football, come on. I mean, Shamrock Rovers played AC Milan the other day - and they made the group stages either last season or the season before. The Irish League isn’t much better than the Cymru Premier although I’ll grant you it’s a rare occurence. I agree the current financial structure isn’t currently in place for the league to really prosper & of course Swansea’s success was due to being in the English leagues. I don’t doubt the quality would drop if teams moved over. But with the large catchments that Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham have - more money would come into the league with them moving over. It’s all systemic obviously and other systemic changes would need to occur too - which would likely be slow. Not even saying that it’s plausible - I don’t actually know. Just that I’d never rule it out because I think there are still arguments for and against Out of curiosity - would you be for or against Merthyr moving over to the Welsh leagues? 50 years ago "catchment areas" might have meant something, but Manchester and Liverpool are only an hour and a half away from Wrexham, and Mid Wales is already Shrewsbury territory. Added to that, you can watch the Premier League from the comfort of the toilet seat these days. Cardiff Met are in a large population centre and their crowds are negligible, Aberystwyth are thousands of miles away from civilisation and their crowds are also negligible. People just don't want to watch it because its a gash product played in god awful facilities, and putting us lot in there in hopes of solving it is foolish - I'd advocate B teams or "Dinas Caerdydd" type teams entering the system to raise the stakes, but the carrot crunchers get precious about that - if they have to suffer the indignity of the Welsh system, we should all have to suffer! It probably makes sense for Merthyr to join the Welsh system, like Colwyn Bay they've been a financial basket case since forever and it cuts down their travel costs. They've never been close to the "Big 4" and have spent much of their history kicking about with clubs of a similar standard that you'd find in Wales. I agree, for me the most obvious way to boost the league's profile would be by having feeder/b teams of the professional clubs in there. Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport leaving the English system for the Welsh one is a pipe dream |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 21, 2020 15:52:18 GMT
Some posters on here need to behave, a lot of people are forgetting only 15-20 years ago we shared regular fixtures with Cardiff & Swansea, along with Bournemouth, Brentford & Bristol City. If Wrexham entered the Welsh system, I'd stop going. I want the dream of Manchester United or Arsenal in the cup (or even the league!), not fucking Penybont away on the weekend then Moldova on Tuesday night. It's an absolute delusion to think you'd solve Welsh football's problems by sticking Cardiff/Swans/Wrexham/Newport in the WPL, you'd just be lowering them down to the level of the current dross and the current crowds would disappear overnight. A better solution would be to allow us all back into the Welsh Cup with a Europa League slot up for grabs in lieu of FA Cup European qualification, and for Welsh system clubs to set up more robust academies that hoover up absolutely every child in their area, with the aim of selling on to English clubs for massive fees - being outside of the FA's jurisdiction, they're in a prime spot to avoid the EPPP bollocks. I don't necessarily disagree with your argument as a whole & I also agree that allowing Welsh clubs back in the Welsh Cup with the possibility of a Europa League spot (put Welsh teams into this instead of the League Cup perhaps) would actually be a better solution at present Your framing of the Penybont/Moldova argument is completely inconsistent though. You could just as easily say 'I want the dream of AC Milan or Sporting Lisbon (or even Europa League proper). Not fucking King's Lynn Town away on the weekend then Wealdstone on a Tuesday night' Again I don't disagree there may be better solutions overall but I think there are credible points being made on both sides of this. As a Cardiff fan myself, I'd personally love to see us competing to get in the Europa League group stage every year & winning league titles/cups as opposed to being a yo-yo club forever Cardiff would collapse overnight if we moved to the Welsh leagues |
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Post by robin1864 on Sept 21, 2020 16:05:29 GMT
50 years ago "catchment areas" might have meant something, but Manchester and Liverpool are only an hour and a half away from Wrexham, and Mid Wales is already Shrewsbury territory. Added to that, you can watch the Premier League from the comfort of the toilet seat these days. Cardiff Met are in a large population centre and their crowds are negligible, Aberystwyth are thousands of miles away from civilisation and their crowds are also negligible. People just don't want to watch it because its a gash product played in god awful facilities, and putting us lot in there in hopes of solving it is foolish - I'd advocate B teams or "Dinas Caerdydd" type teams entering the system to raise the stakes, but the carrot crunchers get precious about that - if they have to suffer the indignity of the Welsh system, we should all have to suffer! It probably makes sense for Merthyr to join the Welsh system, like Colwyn Bay they've been a financial basket case since forever and it cuts down their travel costs. They've never been close to the "Big 4" and have spent much of their history kicking about with clubs of a similar standard that you'd find in Wales. I agree, for me the most obvious way to boost the league's profile would be by having feeder/b teams of the professional clubs in there. Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport leaving the English system for the Welsh one is a pipe dream It's a fantasy, the only way you could make it work is if you got an entire nation to deny the existence of the giants over the border, and punish any dissent with death. Sergio who? I'm happy with Chris Venables, thanks! More people support Cardiff and Swansea in the 21st century because they've reached the Premier League, before that they were armchair United or Liverpool fans. |
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Post by pendragon on Sept 21, 2020 16:26:06 GMT
Just throwing in my two cents here.
There is something to be said about some of our players having the opportunity to play in the Championship and the Premier League via Cardiff and Swansea etc, along with all the lower tier clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 etc.
Over on the Scottish football forum, there is growing concern that as many Scottish players do not play outside of their domestic leagues, their competition and by extension, their development is limited to some extent.
The view is that while great for Scottish football in many respects, players do not experience the same level of competition that playing in the Premier League would afford them, and hence perhaps are not able to test themselves as effectively.
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Post by gimli on Sept 21, 2020 16:47:37 GMT
Don't know if this is possible or allowed, but I wonder if Cardiff and Swansea (and maybe Wrexham and Newport too) would be keen to enter their U23 squads in the Cymru Prem/South instead of the English U23 league? U23 football is a bit of a joke as it stands anyway, with low intensity games and youth players often rotting there until they're 22 or 23 and barely developing, so playing competitive matches, albeit against limited opposition, might be considered a better alternative? Cardiff frequently loan out their youngsters to Cymru Prem teams anyway, so this would cut out the middle man.
Not sure what that would mean regarding qualifying for Europe. I guess the exiles' B teams wouldn't be eligible, so it wouldn't be taking the opportunity away from the proper Wales-based clubs. It wouldn't be completely unprecedented since Spanish and German clubs' youth teams play competitively in their lower tiers but aren't allowed to be promoted to the top division. Obviously this would be different since it involves two separate FAs, but there's no rule saying you have to have a team playing in the official U23 league so I can't see how the English FA could stop it. I imagine it would just come down to whether the FAW would allow it or not.
Fans of Cardiff and Swansea would then have more incentive to watch the games. It would probably increase general interest in the league. Cardiff and Swansea would probably bring a decent following to watch (by Cymru Prem standards anyway) as long as they didn't play at the same time as the A teams and the tickets were cheap. Maybe there could be a rule where gate receipts at their games would go back to the league to be shared out among the other clubs.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 21, 2020 16:50:57 GMT
50 years ago "catchment areas" might have meant something, but Manchester and Liverpool are only an hour and a half away from Wrexham, and Mid Wales is already Shrewsbury territory. Added to that, you can watch the Premier League from the comfort of the toilet seat these days. Cardiff Met are in a large population centre and their crowds are negligible, Aberystwyth are thousands of miles away from civilisation and their crowds are also negligible. People just don't want to watch it because its a gash product played in god awful facilities, and putting us lot in there in hopes of solving it is foolish - I'd advocate B teams or "Dinas Caerdydd" type teams entering the system to raise the stakes, but the carrot crunchers get precious about that - if they have to suffer the indignity of the Welsh system, we should all have to suffer! It probably makes sense for Merthyr to join the Welsh system, like Colwyn Bay they've been a financial basket case since forever and it cuts down their travel costs. They've never been close to the "Big 4" and have spent much of their history kicking about with clubs of a similar standard that you'd find in Wales. I agree, for me the most obvious way to boost the league's profile would be by having feeder/b teams of the professional clubs in there. Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport leaving the English system for the Welsh one is a pipe dream Yeah that's fair - I'd see that as a good solution to be honest. Giving young players a chance at playing against men seems to be far more useful the U23 football so I think that would be a better move for national interest. A season with the B teams before promoting to the English league team where they are playing at a high level does seem like it would make for a good pathway |
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Post by garynysmon on Sept 21, 2020 17:20:11 GMT
I can't think of anything more demeaning to a national league than having the 'B' teams of Cardiff, Swansea etc playing in it. Cymru South maybe.
"I don't think it's sneering to call it shit football".
TBH that description would be pretty apt to describe pretty much every National League (Conference) game I've watched. Giant footballers lumping it forward at every opportunity. Welsh Prem matches tend to be better affairs to watch at least.
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Post by robin1864 on Sept 21, 2020 18:05:31 GMT
I can't think of anything more demeaning to a national league than having the 'B' teams of Cardiff, Swansea etc playing in it. Cymru South maybe. "I don't think it's sneering to call it shit football". TBH that description would be pretty apt to describe pretty much every National League (Conference) game I've watched. Giant footballers lumping it forward at every opportunity. Welsh Prem matches tend to be better affairs to watch at least. Nice to see the delusional out themselves. |
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Post by caeboy on Sept 21, 2020 19:06:53 GMT
Now would be a good time for the FAW and Merthyr Tydfil to have a conversation about joining the Welsh pyramid with the club currently having to be mothballed. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54237552 |
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Post by gogdownsouth on Sept 22, 2020 8:29:43 GMT
I would like to see greater links between the exiled clubs and the league in terms of loans. Can look at Cabango to see that a loan to one of the better teams is beneficial. Again not sure how realistic this is and I don't know a lot about Newport's academy but if each team had 2/3 feeder clubs to which they could loan players to, train with their professional team 2/3 times a week and with their Cymru Premier side the remaining days. A very small step I know but if it means you have a player every 2 years or so getting capped who's played in the Cymru Premier it will certainly create more interest and respect for the league.
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Post by gogdownsouth on Sept 22, 2020 8:30:46 GMT
Also important to remember that without the league it would be a lot easier for others to undermine our position to have our own independent national football team as well, so we should all do what we can to support it
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Post by llan123 on Sept 22, 2020 17:16:18 GMT
I can't think of anything more demeaning to a national league than having the 'B' teams of Cardiff, Swansea etc playing in it. Cymru South maybe. "I don't think it's sneering to call it shit football". TBH that description would be pretty apt to describe pretty much every National League (Conference) game I've watched. Giant footballers lumping it forward at every opportunity. Welsh Prem matches tend to be better affairs to watch at least. Totally agree with the first part, I think it would be incredibly damaging to the league to have B teams from teams that play in a foreign league. I cant see any positives for Welsh league football if that happened. Second part I disagree with. As someone who has watched both Welsh league games and national league games the latter is a better experience, better football, better pitches, far greater support! However what I will say is Welsh league football is nowhere near as bad as people make out, it is what it is and you do get some really good games. Those that slag it off probably haven't watched a game. |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Sept 22, 2020 20:52:41 GMT
Watched a few Welsh league matches on the welsh tv channel with my father most games are very entertaining and feisty enjoy them better than Scottish games.
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 22, 2020 22:39:56 GMT
I think the main thing holding Cymru football back is it’s not really loved. You’ll be able to count on one hand the amount of true fans, but if you support TNS chances are you’re a Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton etc. fan who goes to TNS matches. People have bought up Wrexham but we do breed dedicated Wrexham supporters, you wouldn’t walk around in a Cefn Druids shirt unless you’re in their academy but you will find Wrexham.
Caernarfon get really good crowds but the others are shocking. Without decent numbers of fans it’s hard to be emotionally invested in the clubs or the matches which makes the standard seem poorer. The clubs need to capture the imagination of Wales. I honestly think Caernarfon winning the league would be the making of Welsh football.
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Post by gogdownsouth on Sept 23, 2020 17:38:52 GMT
I think the main thing holding Cymru football back is it’s not really loved. You’ll be able to count on one hand the amount of true fans, but if you support TNS chances are you’re a Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton etc. fan who goes to TNS matches. People have bought up Wrexham but we do breed dedicated Wrexham supporters, you wouldn’t walk around in a Cefn Druids shirt unless you’re in their academy but you will find Wrexham. Caernarfon get really good crowds but the others are shocking. Without decent numbers of fans it’s hard to be emotionally invested in the clubs or the matches which makes the standard seem poorer. The clubs need to capture the imagination of Wales. I honestly think Caernarfon winning the league would be the making of Welsh football. I don't think it's ever going to get to a stage where there are a good number of one club supporters. I think the trick will be to embrace the fact that the majority of fans and people through the gates will have a 'bigger' team that they support, and try and avoid clashes as much as they can. Personally if the season could start a few weeks earlier so that more games don't clash with games of bigger teams would help, local games on a Friday night when there isn't as much fixture competition, or a switch to summer football providing the Cymru Leagues with a niche albeit at a massive logistical nightmare remains a possibility. For me getting rid of the failed 12 team league experiment is the first step. A 16 team, 30 game season sounds a lot more appealing to me than Cefn Druids v Cardiff Met 4 times a season, or up to 6 if they meet in the cups. |
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 23, 2020 18:36:17 GMT
I think the main thing holding Cymru football back is it’s not really loved. You’ll be able to count on one hand the amount of true fans, but if you support TNS chances are you’re a Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton etc. fan who goes to TNS matches. People have bought up Wrexham but we do breed dedicated Wrexham supporters, you wouldn’t walk around in a Cefn Druids shirt unless you’re in their academy but you will find Wrexham. Caernarfon get really good crowds but the others are shocking. Without decent numbers of fans it’s hard to be emotionally invested in the clubs or the matches which makes the standard seem poorer. The clubs need to capture the imagination of Wales. I honestly think Caernarfon winning the league would be the making of Welsh football. I don't think it's ever going to get to a stage where there are a good number of one club supporters. I think the trick will be to embrace the fact that the majority of fans and people through the gates will have a 'bigger' team that they support, and try and avoid clashes as much as they can. Personally if the season could start a few weeks earlier so that more games don't clash with games of bigger teams would help, local games on a Friday night when there isn't as much fixture competition, or a switch to summer football providing the Cymru Leagues with a niche albeit at a massive logistical nightmare remains a possibility. For me getting rid of the failed 12 team league experiment is the first step. A 16 team, 30 game season sounds a lot more appealing to me than Cefn Druids v Cardiff Met 4 times a season, or up to 6 if they meet in the cups. Is the quality good enough for 16 teams? I wouldn’t mind more but who would be in it? Both champions didn’t have the facilities, standards have to be in place or it’ll go downhill. The bottom 2 deserved to go down, there needs to be a form of punishment for not meeting playing standards. It could be potentially be a 4th placed team in the league below going to the top league, only way I think that should be done is in a playoff system. |
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