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Post by cynonvalley on Jul 8, 2024 21:05:35 GMT
Let's goo
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Post by flutterdinho on Jul 8, 2024 21:07:14 GMT
Brilliant news. Looking forward to the Nations League campaign now whereas I was ambivalent only yesterday.
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Post by welrus on Jul 8, 2024 21:08:45 GMT
I hope not. Yes hes a passionate welshman but so am I. Cant see it personally.
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Post by rushy on Jul 8, 2024 21:09:01 GMT
All things considered , this appointment makes sense and if Bellamy wants the job then let him have it.
Good Luck Craig !
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Post by saturn9 on Jul 8, 2024 21:10:24 GMT
Excellent choice,twitter reports that his asst will be Simon Davies. No, not that one from Pembs😁
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Post by iot on Jul 8, 2024 21:17:16 GMT
Another ex-player on work experience I hope he works out but ffs can we have an experienced manager in charge at some point? Can't we have a wider net than he has to be Welsh and an ex-player? How can you make so many poor points in such a short post? Everything we know about Bellamy would suggest that this is his dream job - he's probably taking a pay cut to move from Burnley assistant to this position, so to suggest he's using it as work experience or a stepping stone to better things is wide of the mark. What type of experienced manager did you expect would go for a £300k gig, which is probably around mid League 1 level wages? This point was spelled out time and again when you and others were angling for Page's removal, we were never going to get a well thought of, experienced manager for that price. There are several benefits to going down the Welsh route - we know that they are more likely to really care, will relate better and make connections more easily with the squad, and will be prepared to do the job at a lower rate than a non-Welsh option (because of the first point). So again, it makes sense. I'm really pleased with this appointment. It's definitely a risk, but as someone else pointed out any decision we could make would have been a risk. There's probably more scope for things to go wrong with Bellamy, but more scope for something special to happen too imo, so I'm all for taking this risk. |
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Post by abwales on Jul 8, 2024 21:25:02 GMT
Well known ex player gets Wales job. What a shock! Well it has worked out decently in the past.
I'm more optimistic about our chances now than I was with Page. Please revitalise my love of the game because football is so shit nowadays and Wales always used to keep me watching, but in recent times that has been a struggle.
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Post by surge on Jul 8, 2024 21:27:58 GMT
To quote myself from the wider discussion thread:
"I think the best international managers:
- can bring in new insight/ideas having worked in different countries or closely with managers grounded in different footballing cultures;
- have worked with different age groups so can manage the older heads still so important and bring through the young players;
- understands/can quickly come to understand the country so can bring the nation together (and resist the media pressure);
- are committed so don't run off halfway through a campaign; and
- ideally a record of winning."
Bellamy potentially fits the brief quite well. My other post in that thread is how to win games with smaller strikers and hopefully working with Kompany (via Man City) allows Craig to have an idea about that too.
It's a risk, any appointment would be, but I think we know the risks with Bellamy and can offer the support needed while also know the potential upside. And that upside is quite high. But we will need to wait and see - let's meet him halfway at least.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 8, 2024 21:30:04 GMT
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Post by manulike on Jul 8, 2024 21:32:02 GMT
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Post by dai on Jul 8, 2024 21:33:07 GMT
Strange turn of events, days ago he was said to be turning it down, then Des Buckingham was the new favourite, now back to Bellamy.
I was on the fence about this, but I think he's the type of character we need now. This has a bit of Hughes appointment vibe to it. A great player (a massive shame he never got to play in a major competition), very competitive, and a very passionate Welshman.
I'm hoping he's going to light a fire underneath the squad, but I don't know what he's like anymore personally.
It will be interesting who makes up his backroom staff. Without sounding harsh, I think the whole setup, bar goalkeeping coach, needs refreshing.
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Post by manulike on Jul 8, 2024 21:38:43 GMT
... And what are the odds now of Isaak Davies getting into our squad in September ;-)))
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Post by marsvolta on Jul 8, 2024 21:41:42 GMT
Another ex-player on work experience I hope he works out but ffs can we have an experienced manager in charge at some point? Can't we have a wider net than he has to be Welsh and an ex-player? The previous ‘ex-players on work experience’ were Giggs, Speed and Hughes. All of them turned out to be decent appointments. Hughes took us to the playoffs for the first time in years and went on to manage in the Premier league.Speed was going great guns before he passed and Giggs was doing well football wise before his off field antics. As has been mentioned, for the money we pay, ex players is our best option. Let’s face it, earlier today our options were starting to looks but slim, with talk of Allardyce, vague unconfirmed rumours of an approach for Henry and the possibility of Oxford’s manager (without any guarantee that he’d actually join us from a newly promoted side to the Championship) |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jul 8, 2024 21:59:39 GMT
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 8, 2024 22:03:59 GMT
The big litmus test is how Bellamy reacts to the inevitable criticism that follows a bad defeat. Does he respond spikily, or has he indeed mellowed? Only time will tell.
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Post by hooky on Jul 8, 2024 22:05:15 GMT
Another ex-player on work experience I hope he works out but ffs can we have an experienced manager in charge at some point? Can't we have a wider net than he has to be Welsh and an ex-player? How can you make so many poor points in such a short post? Everything we know about Bellamy would suggest that this is his dream job - he's probably taking a pay cut to move from Burnley assistant to this position, so to suggest he's using it as work experience or a stepping stone to better things is wide of the mark. What type of experienced manager did you expect would go for a £300k gig, which is probably around mid League 1 level wages? This point was spelled out time and again when you and others were angling for Page's removal, we were never going to get a well thought of, experienced manager for that price. There are several benefits to going down the Welsh route - we know that they are more likely to really care, will relate better and make connections more easily with the squad, and will be prepared to do the job at a lower rate than a non-Welsh option (because of the first point). So again, it makes sense. I'm really pleased with this appointment. It's definitely a risk, but as someone else pointed out any decision we could make would have been a risk. There's probably more scope for things to go wrong with Bellamy, but more scope for something special to happen too imo, so I'm all for taking this risk. Work experience in the sense that its his first job as the manager maybe? I know the salary constraints but I am just worried the default is go for an ex-player starting out in manager all the time rather than is there someone with great managerial experience on the decline but still with much to offer The problem of course is the language - of any foreign choices how well will they be able to communicate If you fully reflected on my posts I noted the big positive that this multi millionaire footballer in his 20s went out to study how things are done on the Continent - which I found amazing. As I said - Craig was quite the contradiction I pray it works out but to pretend it is not a risk i a bit delusional. I am thinking he is definitely a big upgrade on Page but am just worried there may have been a better candidate. I totally take your point that perhaps there just isn't a better person given the salary we are offering. Another positive I recollect - he apparently interviewed extremely well last time, when Giggs got the gig Clearly Bellamy is far more intelligent than people would give him credit for. I hope he thrives and he has my full support once appointed |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 8, 2024 22:23:49 GMT
x.com/SundayShoutsFC/status/1795845052016554268?t=USijIdjduAOrwDzmXUOYTg&s=19Doesn't reflect well on him, especially the way he bigs up his intelligence. On the other hand he comes across well in the podcast he did with Gary Neville where he's quite candid about the mistakes he's made and his efforts to deal with mental health issues. The suspect the dictionary definition of enigma will be: Craig Bellamy.
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Post by cymru888 on Jul 8, 2024 22:28:54 GMT
x.com/SundayShoutsFC/status/1795845052016554268?t=USijIdjduAOrwDzmXUOYTg&s=19Doesn't reflect well on him, especially the way he bigs up his intelligence. On the other hand he comes across well in the podcast he did with Gary Neville where he's quite candid about the mistakes he's made and his efforts to deal with mental health issues. The suspect the dictionary definition of enigma will be: Craig Bellamy. This has been circulating for years. As hilarious as it is, it’s all made up, not in the autobiography. |
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Post by jono on Jul 8, 2024 22:39:39 GMT
Relatively happy with this.
There'll be none of this ''proud of the lads'' & ''look at the bigger picture'' & ''put the arm round the lads'' boll*cks that Page used to come out with.
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Post by welshrover on Jul 8, 2024 22:48:13 GMT
I believe he is a big fan of Tom Lawrence 😊
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Post by iot on Jul 8, 2024 22:55:15 GMT
One of the things we know about him is that he has incredibly high standards and is very demanding. It will be interesting to see whether he can get more out of the likes of Johnson, or whether it goes the other way
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 8, 2024 23:04:08 GMT
One of the things we know about him is that he has incredibly high standards and is very demanding. It will be interesting to see whether he can get more out of the likes of Johnson, or whether it goes the other way I was thinking along the same lines. I wonder how Bellamy would have reacted to Johnson's failure to track back that led to Armenia's equaliser in Cardiff? Hopefully he's learned to reign in his temper. |
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Post by talyfan on Jul 9, 2024 5:07:05 GMT
Exciting appointment ticks both boxes for me. Proud Welshman and an exciting young coach.
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Post by aberbeeg on Jul 9, 2024 7:50:08 GMT
Very exciting IF it’s true
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Post by jackanapes on Jul 9, 2024 8:39:14 GMT
This is great news. There’ll be a lot of hate from the ignorant and the conformists, but I think he’ll do a good job. One thing I’m 100% certain about is that he’ll put everything into it, leave no stone unturned and demand high standards of everyone. This isn’t a stepping stone or a part time gig - he’s got unfinished business here.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 9, 2024 9:37:33 GMT
From a purely footballing perspective there is a lot to be encouraged by with this appointment. However I can't help but worry that things will end in tears. There is simply too much history of problematical behaviour. The Riise incident, the bullying allegations at Cardiff, the bankruptcy. Also, more recently he talks about working ridiculous hours for Burnley. He pretty much says football is everything - no such thing as work life balance for him.
He clearly has a good heart in him, given his charitable work. He's also willing to acknowledge failings and work on himself psychologically, so that offers some encouragement going forwards. Let's just hope he can keep his demons in check, because there are a lot of reasons to think he will be an excellent manager.
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Post by CrackityJones on Jul 9, 2024 9:42:00 GMT
Exciting appointment. Looking forward to the Nations League now
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 9, 2024 9:49:28 GMT
From a purely footballing perspective there is a lot to be encouraged by with this appointment. However I can't help but worry that things will end in tears. There is simply too much history of problematical behaviour. The Riise incident, the bullying allegations at Cardiff, the bankruptcy. Also, more recently he talks about working ridiculous hours for Burnley. He pretty much says football is everything - no such thing as work life balance for him. He clearly has a good heart in him, given his charitable work. He's also willing to acknowledge failings and work on himself psychologically, so that offers some encouragement going forwards. Let's just hope he can keep his demons in check, because there are a lot of reasons to think he will be an excellent manager. Most recent podcast I saw with him he was talking about how Vincent Kompany doesn't have a work life balance and just obsesses over football whereas he can't personally do that because he cares too much about spending time with his kids. So I think those days are behind him Really exciting appointment - can't wait for the Nations League and hopefully we hit the ground running |
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Post by ccfcwelshlad on Jul 9, 2024 9:49:37 GMT
From a purely footballing perspective there is a lot to be encouraged by with this appointment. However I can't help but worry that things will end in tears. There is simply too much history of problematical behaviour. The Riise incident, the bullying allegations at Cardiff, the bankruptcy. Also, more recently he talks about working ridiculous hours for Burnley. He pretty much says football is everything - no such thing as work life balance for him. He clearly has a good heart in him, given his charitable work. He's also willing to acknowledge failings and work on himself psychologically, so that offers some encouragement going forwards. Let's just hope he can keep his demons in check, because there are a lot of reasons to think he will be an excellent manager. This shows him in a bit of a different light. youtu.be/nXoqgry7YVE?si=HKjD06bGse5xg25a |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 9, 2024 10:05:27 GMT
I'd already seen that podcast and his candour and admission of past mistakes is very refreshing. The fact that he's willing to acknowledge his flaws and work on them certainly offers encouragement that he'll handle the pressure of inevitable criticism when Cymru lose in a better way than he would have in the past.
It's hard not to see parallels with Giggs. Given Giggs' behavioural track record it was unsurprising that his tenure ended the way it did. The big difference with Bellamy I guess is that Bellamy does at least acknowledge his flaws and is willing to work on them.
It will be interesting to see how he handles situations where players don't give their all. How would he have responded when Johnson in the Armenia game let his opponent, who started behind him, gain 25 metres on him by the time he crossed for the equaliser? The Bellamy of old you suspect would let rip. Hopefully he's a bit wiser and calmer now.
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