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Post by youngdragon on Oct 19, 2010 11:14:33 GMT
lets look at facts
1) his knees are in a bad state
2) he is getting older and will lose more and more of his pace which IS HIS game
3) we have three terrific young developing strikers who will only get better as craig gets worse
4) he either seems reluctant to play under flynn so he may be very relucatnt to play under a differant manager will reduce his number of potential caps- or dave jones(or whoever his next manager is) again will reduce his potential number of caps
i would say he has between 7-10 caps left, maybe another 5 on top as a super sub
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Post by bellamyforever on Oct 19, 2010 11:36:03 GMT
I just think we should stop posting on this thread, and stop putting the indian sign on things.
lets just see how it goes, and hope and pray that he plays for the next 4 years.
As developing strikers or not, neither of them are fit enough to lace his boots unfortunetly.
we are'nt talking about simon head down davies or ryan clubman giggs here,
this is craig bellamy the 100% tryer.
i hope he doesnt retire.
seems a lot on here want it / predict it for some reason.. :S ..
goes to show how low welsh football is when we have a prediction thread on our captain whos 31 years old on when hes going to retire and when his legs will go.
Lets just show him support and maybe even start a bellamy to captain wales in the world cup qualifying campaign thread!, it would be more positive.
i have a weird feeling that he won't retire, and will fancy one more bash with ramsey and co in 2 years time. he will be 33 and in his prime still , providing when he leaves cardiff hes in a squad rotating team i.e spurs. where he will play a game a week.
Even if bellamy lost his pace, hes still got a hell of an eye for a pass, and scores some cracking goals, our strikers dont score goals, heck id rather bellamy in the squad aged 36 with dodgy knees and comes on for 30 mins, rather than morrison. eastwood / easter!!! etc.
The guys a trier and a world class player.
Fact, is bellamy / bale / ramsey play against england, i guarantee there will be problems for england and we will score.
Fact, is them 3 play every game in the nations cup i think we will win it.
If them 3 played 80% of the games together in the next world cup campaign i think we'd be at least 3rd favorties to get out of the group.
Going on a bit now, im just tired of threads predicting retirements, be careful you might just get what you wish for!!!!, and then we'll be fucked for another 4 -5 years.
i dont want that.
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Post by jon6a on Oct 19, 2010 14:43:43 GMT
Looked very fit on the X factor lol haha I thought it was him on the X Factor at first. |
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Post by caradocevans on Oct 19, 2010 22:17:41 GMT
Bellamy let his country down. When he injured himself playing against Montenegro? Yeah, he's a real traitor.  |
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Post by llannerch on Oct 27, 2010 11:34:29 GMT
I would be gutted if he retired and then played on for 3-5 years like giggs. would be like a dagger. I hoped he would surpass garys speeds outfield cap record, no doubt bale will anyways.. Get ready to be gutted my friend. Montenegro was his final curtain |
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Post by ericyoung on Oct 27, 2010 14:43:23 GMT
Well at least he's lived a life that's full, at least he's travelled each and every highway. At least he did what he had to do. At least he did it his way.
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Post by garyspeedloyal on Dec 27, 2010 10:29:19 GMT
I would firstly like to thank Craig Bellamy for coming out and speaking so positively about the new era and giving a bold if not too damning assesment of the previous regime.
The myth that Craig Bellamy is outspoken and lots of other things that have been thrown his way over the years can be possibly just that, a myth.
If he didn't belive in the way or style that we were playing why did he keep his counsel for so long. And why has nobody else spoken out sooner.
For my money if we have 10 effective matches out of Craig Bellamy before he retires we will have done very well, he struggles with the intensity of the Championship programme with his well documented knee injuries and he should be used sparringly in order to get us to France in 2016.
Credit must be given to the man for not retiring from playing for his country despite being away from his family for so long and the toll his profession has taken on his body. He has been refreshingly honest, I wish he spoke up earlier in the Toshack era, and candid about where we go as a nation and where he will be as an International footballer.
My new captain and leader of men would be Gareth Bale, a proud Welshman who is the furture of the side and will undoubtedly play more matches than Wales last 2 superstars Ryan Giggs and Craig Bellamy.
Gareth Bale will no doubt command repsect and grow into the role, by the time France 2016 Qualification comes around he will have almost 50 caps to his name and will have been captainf for about 10/15 of them if appointed in February.
The thought of Gareth Bale leading out Wales at a full Millenium Stadium, and those days will return, would act as a statement to the opposition before a ball is kicked.
Craig Bellamy will fondly be remembered as the man who scored that goal away in Denmark, the winner in the match against Italy, being unfortunately injured for the 2 legged play off against Russia, scoring twice in Toshack's first match in charge, the captain when we lost 5-1 at home to Slovakia, taking Slovakia apart out in Bratislava and flying out to Finland just to be with the squad against his club's wishes when with Newcastle United.
A proud and passionate Welshman who has come home to try and get hs hometown club playing in the English Premier League.
I believe with the right vibes and right tempo, Craig Bellamy will still be a dominat figure during the early years of the Gary Speed era and could well have a prominant part to play as we take on our 4 closest geographical rivals during 2011.
He, like Gary Speed in punditry decided against slating John Toshack directly unlike John Toshack who constantly criticised the Mark Hughes era (perhaps through jealousy) and must be applauded for still wanting to play for our country despite the pain it may cause him and the down heartedness he felt during the Toshack years.
I get the feeling there is a new vibe about Welsh football and the poor crowds and build up to Euro 2012 will be a distant memory.
Cardiff and Swansea are well placed, Newport and Wrexham are doing well in the conference, Gareth Bale is playing out of his skin and may well be voted PFA Player of the year, Hennessey is getting picked by Wolves again, Ramsey will start hitting form around mid March, we have a new manager and more importantly people will want to watch us again in 2011.
We have a lot to thank Craig Bellamy for, it might be lot to ask him to score the winner in the England matches home and away, lead us to Carling 4 Nations glory and lead Cardiff City to the Premier League in the same 9 month period and by his own admission, the latter part of every season he has ever played has been the declining part of the season in terms of form for him, but with him still wanting to play for Wales and follow Wales what is there to say that he would not be involved in some coaching/fitness capacity during the latter years of the Gary Speed era.
His influence and contribution must never be forgotten, the fact he did not/would not play for Brian Flynn in the double header should not be understated.
He, nor the FAW thought he were the right man for the job and possibly, at long last our most capped outfield player of the current squad has a view that is being listend to by the hierarchy and is being acted upon.
I may be wrong and with the FAW we will never know but I reckon his opinion was canvassed during the process to find Toshack's successor, at what stage we will never know, but I do believe he was asked and lo and behold the 4 interviewed candidates were overlooked and the captain's ex team mate was shoe horned into the job.
Craig Bellamy disruptive? No.
Craig Bellamy influential? Most certainly.
Watch Craig Bellamy, Bale & Ramsey restore our pride, believe and drive in 2011, I could be wrong but I believe Mr Bellamy will be more influential than ever before.
Watch this space.
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Post by perthdragon on Dec 27, 2010 11:00:09 GMT
He'll hardly play.
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Post by youngdragon on Dec 27, 2010 11:05:53 GMT
Great post, however If anybody thinks Bellams will be even still playing in 2016 in deluding themselves let alone still be playing for us.
in other threads the general assumtion is that England at home will be his swansong, weather he retires or carries on as a bit part player only he knows.
But if I'm honest (which I am) if Bellams is still availible to us for our first qualifier of the world cup 2014 qualification then the medical staff at whatever club he is then at, have worked miracles.
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Post by llannerch on Dec 27, 2010 11:50:34 GMT
Montenegro was his swansong. My words, mark them
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Post by garyspeedloyal on Dec 27, 2010 12:30:41 GMT
Why are people saying that Montenegro will be his swansong when the man has publicly stated he will not retire and has already said the training will be more intense and we will find a new identity?
When the regime kicks off in some style under Gary Speed, he wil want to bust a gut to be a part of it, he's a competitor and has already said he trust's the new manager.
The man pays for his own physio and personal fitness programme.
He'll be there, France 2016 playing off the front man like he did out in Denmark, that front man could well be Ched Evans after 3 in 2 games and a return to form.
Check out Andy King's goal for Leicester City and Gareth Bale's contribution v Aston Villa.
We have the manager, we have the players, we no longer have Toshack, we also have Craig Bellamy.
Lets be positive, there's been enough doom and gloom during the adopted Spaniards era.
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Post by perthdragon on Dec 27, 2010 13:39:35 GMT
Why are people saying that Montenegro will be his swansong when the man has publicly stated he will not retire and has already said the training will be more intense and we will find a new identity? The man pays for his own physio and personal fitness programme. He'll be there, France 2016 playing off the front man like he did out in Denmark, that front man could well be Ched Evans after 3 in 2 games and a return to form. We have the manager, we have the players, we no longer have Toshack, we also have Craig Bellamy. Lets be positive, there's been enough doom and gloom during the adopted Spaniards era.  Love your optimism, hope you are right pal |
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Post by llannerch on Dec 27, 2010 17:06:27 GMT
Why are people saying that Montenegro will be his swansong when the man has publicly stated he will not retire and has already said the training will be more intense and we will find a new identity? I think it's only me to be honest and I couldn't give a fig about passion, commitment or belief....it's all about probability. He misses 1 in 2 internationals or thereabouts (59 caps from a possible 106 according to the BBC); has previously been excused friendlies; has a 46-league game season to fulfil; and has a chronic knee condition that he needs to nurse. Surely the odds are that he will be unavailable more than available? |
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Post by saints19 on Dec 27, 2010 23:05:54 GMT
He'll play fewer games than in the past, but will carry on playing for us because he's totally committed to the Welsh cause. I can't see him retiring from internationals at any stage and for once I believe a promise from a player when he says that he'll never retire from Wales.
I could see him playing on at least for the next campaign if not the 2016 one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 23:45:50 GMT
He will have to retire at some point, we are so hard up for quality players he will still be getting picked into his 40's unless he ends it himself!
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Post by idiot on Dec 28, 2010 1:32:16 GMT
there's no chance bellamy will still be playing football in 2016,his body simply couldnt take it
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Post by llannerch on Dec 28, 2010 18:03:22 GMT
He'll play fewer games than in the past, but will carry on playing for us because he's totally committed to the Welsh cause. I can't see him retiring from internationals at any stage and for once I believe a promise from a player when he says that he'll never retire from Wales. I could see him playing on at least for the next campaign if not the 2016 one. Unless he's injured....which he frequently is |
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Post by squatter1 on Jan 4, 2011 19:44:35 GMT
Bonkers Bellamy set to play second match in three days for Cardiff tonight.
Two Championship matches in three days.
Elsewhere, Gary Speed announces C Bellamy wont be playing against Ireland in March because there's a Cardiff game a few days before.
We have without doubt entered the post-Bellamy era for Wales.
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Post by llannerch on Jan 4, 2011 21:32:05 GMT
We entered the post-Bellamy era the day after the Montenegro game
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Post by squatter1 on Jan 5, 2011 0:23:28 GMT
True that.
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Post by caradocevans on Jan 5, 2011 15:05:58 GMT
Bellamy's knees are fragile jewels that need proection. Speedo was down the city last night. Would have seen Bellers play well (and score) and Blake come on as sub at full-back. If fit, Bellamy will defo play against the English.
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Post by georgetm1 on Jan 5, 2011 15:11:53 GMT
I dont see why he cant play against Ireland though. Its showing me that Speed already see's the Celtic cup as a mickey mouse competition even before a ball is kicked. I would like us to actually go and try and win it and not just use it as training practise.
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Post by llannerch on Jan 5, 2011 20:56:52 GMT
Which, chances are, he won't be. He's injured more often than he isn't |
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Post by cymroircarn on Jan 6, 2011 7:41:12 GMT
Bonkers Bellamy set to play second match in three days for Cardiff tonight. Two Championship matches in three days. Elsewhere, Gary Speed announces C Bellamy wont be playing against Ireland in March because there's a Cardiff game a few days before. We have without doubt entered the post-Bellamy era for Wales. Parkin and Bothroyd were injured so Craig had to play. Unlikely he will play against Stoke so he will get 12 days off before the Norwich match. |
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Post by llannerch on Jan 6, 2011 12:25:39 GMT
Parkin and Bothroyd were injured so Craig had to play. Wales were desperate for points against Bulgaria and Switzerland so Bellamy ought to have played. City and Bellamy's actions serve to continually undermine (what they felt at the time was) their moral position |
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 6, 2011 20:24:26 GMT
Maybe we should start a 'how many caps will Bellamy win for Wales?' competetion, similar to the 'how many goals will Easter score at the Swans' one?
He's on 60 at the moment, with 18 goals. I'll be optimistic and say he'll finish with 67 and 21 goals.
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Post by llannerch on Jan 6, 2011 21:54:35 GMT
60 caps, 18 goals
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Post by cilmeri on Jan 7, 2011 12:04:11 GMT
61 caps, 18 goals
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Post by matty on Jan 7, 2011 12:13:46 GMT
To those who doubt Bellamys commitment to Wales, please watch the video on BBC from after the Coventry game (I think). He speaks for a good 10mins about Cardiff, Wales, potentially losing the captaincy (which he now has), and his love of playing for Wales.
He should have played at least against Bulgaria I agree, but in his own words he was a "wreck" for the first few months as a Cardiff player. The club had paid out a lot to get him and rightly or wrongly he put his new club first, albeit for a brief period. He's employed his own fitness guy / knee specialist - one of the top guys in sport (he's the one who critisied London clubs recently for their treatment of players like Van Persie etc) and is now in a position where he probably can manage a game or two in a week but would rather not risk it. He won't play against Stoke tomorrow, and the Irish game is a friendly at the end of the day. I'd rather see a fully fit Bellamy turn up against England.
72 caps, 21 goals
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Post by cilmeri on Jan 7, 2011 14:22:34 GMT
I don't (and don't think anyone here) are doubting his commitment to wales - paid for his own flight to get to one game didn't he? but he can only play a game a week now and something has to give somewhere, and if he were to retire given his knees I wouldn't blame him (completelly different to some others who have retired in order to extend a paying career for a few years, he'd be retiring in order to be able to play some club football)
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