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Post by llannerch on Jul 16, 2016 17:08:59 GMT
Came off the bench and scored within 10 minutes or so on his debut today. Scored on all his debuts until his Wales one? |
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Post by jamaro on Jul 16, 2016 17:10:10 GMT
Came off the bench and scored within 10 minutes or so on his debut today. Scored on all his debuts until his Wales one? He's waiting for his competitive Wales debut  |
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Post by llannerch on Jul 16, 2016 17:17:53 GMT
Scored on all his debuts until his Wales one? He's waiting for his competitive Wales debut I like your style. Cue a goal vs Moldova in 7 (yes, seven!) weeks time? |
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Post by jamaro on Jul 16, 2016 17:31:41 GMT
He's waiting for his competitive Wales debut I like your style. Cue a goal vs Moldova in 7 (yes, seven!) weeks time? I'd be lying if I said I haven't daydreamed about him coming off the bench and scoring v Moldova. It's sure come around quick, but after 6 games in half as many weeks, this is going to be a long 7 weeks! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 19:06:38 GMT
He's waiting for his competitive Wales debut I like your style. Cue a goal vs Moldova in 7 (yes, seven!) weeks time? If we are going to believe in the supersition then I would go balls deep and keep him out of the side until Serbia away and then name him as a starter. Then defend for our lives! |
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Post by manulike on Jul 23, 2016 15:10:29 GMT
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Post by jamaro on Jul 26, 2016 21:07:07 GMT
Scored twice tonight against Hull |
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Post by manulike on Jul 26, 2016 22:18:55 GMT
Scored twice tonight against Hull Good to hear. He might get a bit of competition now they have also signed Ryan Kent from Liverpool on loan... |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 22, 2016 9:18:33 GMT
See the clamour for Bradshaw has finally died down now he has struggled to make an impression in the championship.
Another example of some getting too excited about a player at a lower level. Maybe, there was a reason that no bigger clubs came in for him
Hopefully, he can find his feet soon and start scoring in the championship as other than Vokes I don't see any attacking options.
If only he had gone to France
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 22, 2016 9:50:42 GMT
See the clamour for Bradshaw has finally died down now he has struggled to make an impression in the championship. Another example of some getting too excited about a player at a lower level. Maybe, there was a reason that no bigger clubs came in for him Hopefully, he can find his feet soon and start scoring in the championship as other than Vokes I don't see any attacking options. If only he had gone to France T he clamour was mainly as an alternative to Church and I would make exactly the same call for the upcoming squad. I'm not going to write him (or Huws for that matter) off after just 4 games, it's a long season. They will both start regularly hopefully. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 10:39:39 GMT
See the clamour for Bradshaw has finally died down now he has struggled to make an impression in the championship. Another example of some getting too excited about a player at a lower level. Maybe, there was a reason that no bigger clubs came in for him Hopefully, he can find his feet soon and start scoring in the championship as other than Vokes I don't see any attacking options. If only he had gone to France T he clamour was mainly as an alternative to Church and I would make exactly the same call for the upcoming squad. I'm not going to write him (or Huws for that matter) off after just 4 games, it's a long season. They will both start regularly hopefully.Yeah 3 games and already 'he never made it!' is being trotted out like people are itching for him to fail. Way too soon for that. |
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Post by rushlegend on Aug 22, 2016 11:00:56 GMT
Give the lad a chance FFS
It took Peter Crouch until December to score his first goal for Liverpool.
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Post by welshiron on Aug 22, 2016 11:11:22 GMT
Not saying he hasn't made it by any stretch just mentioning that the clamour that he was the new great hope of welsh football has died down
If he had scored a couple of goals in his first 4 games some of you would have suggested him instead of Vokes for the Moldova game.
He need to prove himself at a decent level before being considered.
That being said, with Church and HRK not playing yet this season he is likely to be on the bench at least
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Post by jbt95 on Aug 22, 2016 11:15:00 GMT
We should be calling up Bradshaw over Church, Church is almost 28, he's not going to improve. He isn't even considered good enough for League one by the MK Dons. Hopefully his Portugal appearance was his last hurrah, always grateful for his contribution but it hasn't been enough ultimately.
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Post by welshiron on Aug 22, 2016 11:15:13 GMT
Not saying he hasn't made it by any stretch just mentioning that the clamour that he was the new great hope of welsh football has died down
If he had scored a couple of goals in his first 4 games some of you would have suggested him instead of Vokes for the Moldova game.
He need to prove himself at a decent level before being considered.
That being said, with Church and HRK not playing yet this season he is likely to be on the bench at least
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 22, 2016 11:41:05 GMT
Not saying he hasn't made it by any stretch just mentioning that the clamour that he was the new great hope of welsh football has died down If he had scored a couple of goals in his first 4 games some of you would have suggested him instead of Vokes for the Moldova game. He need to prove himself at a decent level before being considered. That being said, with Church and HRK not playing yet this season he is likely to be on the bench at least I don't think many would say that even if Bradshaw had scored a few, what with Vokes playing well back in the EPL. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 12:56:35 GMT
Not saying he hasn't made it by any stretch just mentioning that the clamour that he was the new great hope of welsh football has died down If he had scored a couple of goals in his first 4 games some of you would have suggested him instead of Vokes for the Moldova game. He need to prove himself at a decent level before being considered. That being said, with Church and HRK not playing yet this season he is likely to be on the bench at least The clamour has died down because the Euros are over and a new season is only two weeks old! Given the options of an unfit HRK and a piss poor Church for the Moldova game I would pick Vokes, HRK, Bradshaw and Marley Watkins for the forward positions. Once again I have to lament the absence of a friendly going into the Moldova game so we could get a better look at Bradshaw and Watkins. Still, in Coleman we trust..... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 13:01:40 GMT
Not saying he hasn't made it by any stretch just mentioning that the clamour that he was the new great hope of welsh football has died down If he had scored a couple of goals in his first 4 games some of you would have suggested him instead of Vokes for the Moldova game. He need to prove himself at a decent level before being considered. That being said, with Church and HRK not playing yet this season he is likely to be on the bench at least I don't think many would say that even if Bradshaw had scored a few, what with Vokes playing well back in the EPL. I still don't think that makes him a shoe-in, I would rather have someone who fits in well in the system but who plays at a lower level. HRK is not a premiership player but would start ahead of Vokes if fit. The problem with Vokes is that he always seems to stick out like a sore thumb in the team. He often looks like he is the best we can do, rather than in on merit. Bale's majestic header at the weekend put Vokes to shame- now he isn't even the best target man in the squad! Good to see him get a goal against Liverpool but it will take more than that for him to be a good fit for us at international level...under Coleman anyway. |
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Post by squatter1 on Aug 22, 2016 13:15:15 GMT
I don't think many would say that even if Bradshaw had scored a few, what with Vokes playing well back in the EPL. I still don't think that makes him a shoe-in, I would rather have someone who fits in well in the system but who plays at a lower level. HRK is not a premiership player but would start ahead of Vokes if fit. The problem with Vokes is that he always seems to stick out like a sore thumb in the team. He often looks like he is the best we can do, rather than in on merit. Bale's majestic header at the weekend put Vokes to shame- now he isn't even the best target man in the squad! Good to see him get a goal against Liverpool but it will take more than that for him to be a good fit for us at international level...under Coleman anyway. What about the Russia game? Vokes played in the best Wales performance ever to that point? I don't think HRK automatically starts in front of Vokes when fit, or that Vokes sticks out like a sore thumb. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 13:51:18 GMT
I still don't think that makes him a shoe-in, I would rather have someone who fits in well in the system but who plays at a lower level. HRK is not a premiership player but would start ahead of Vokes if fit. The problem with Vokes is that he always seems to stick out like a sore thumb in the team. He often looks like he is the best we can do, rather than in on merit. Bale's majestic header at the weekend put Vokes to shame- now he isn't even the best target man in the squad! Good to see him get a goal against Liverpool but it will take more than that for him to be a good fit for us at international level...under Coleman anyway. What about the Russia game? Vokes played in the best Wales performance ever to that point? I don't think HRK automatically starts in front of Vokes when fit, or that Vokes sticks out like a sore thumb. One good game in how many matches? He doesn't bring goals, isn't a very good header of the ball despite his size and quite often doesn't really add to our play. I don't think HRK is necessarily the answer but he gives us more around the pitch with his mobility and pace. Ultimately there is a vacuum in Welsh football for a striker to fill and unless someone gets a move on I am rather worried that it is going to be Ched who fills it with all the baggage his inclusion would bring. |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 22, 2016 13:57:47 GMT
What about the Russia game? Vokes played in the best Wales performance ever to that point? I don't think HRK automatically starts in front of Vokes when fit, or that Vokes sticks out like a sore thumb. One good game in how many matches? He doesn't bring goals, isn't a very good header of the ball despite his size and quite often doesn't really add to our play. I don't think HRK is necessarily the answer but he gives us more around the pitch with his mobility and pace. Ultimately there is a vacuum in Welsh football for a striker to fill and unless someone gets a move on I am rather worried that it is going to be Ched who fills it with all the baggage his inclusion would bring. Did you miss the header against Belgium? If we get decent crosses in he will score more goals than HRK. HRK has a terrible first touch but gets away with it through his work rate, can't remember too many highlights involving HRK over the years (no I haven't forgotten the goal against Belgium) |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 22, 2016 13:59:47 GMT
HRK and Vokes is a similar situation to Collins and Chester
Vokes and Collins will have far better club careers than the others but we play a system that doesn't suit them.
There are reasons why Collins and Vokes play at a higher level than Chester and HRK
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 14:05:36 GMT
One good game in how many matches? He doesn't bring goals, isn't a very good header of the ball despite his size and quite often doesn't really add to our play. I don't think HRK is necessarily the answer but he gives us more around the pitch with his mobility and pace. Ultimately there is a vacuum in Welsh football for a striker to fill and unless someone gets a move on I am rather worried that it is going to be Ched who fills it with all the baggage his inclusion would bring. Did you miss the header against Belgium? If we get decent crosses in he will score more goals than HRK. HRK has a terrible first touch but gets away with it through his work rate, can't remember too many highlights involving HRK over the years (no I haven't forgotten the goal against Belgium) Again though, how many headers has he made a right horlicks of? More than I care to remember! His header against Belgium was the very definition of the meaning of the quip 'even a stopped clock is right two times a day'. There is nothing about Vokes that convinces me that he is a nailed on starter in our side other than he has very weak competition for that spot. |
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Post by squatter1 on Aug 22, 2016 14:15:06 GMT
Did you miss the header against Belgium? If we get decent crosses in he will score more goals than HRK. HRK has a terrible first touch but gets away with it through his work rate, can't remember too many highlights involving HRK over the years (no I haven't forgotten the goal against Belgium) Again though, how many headers has he made a right horlicks of? More than I care to remember! His header against Belgium was the very definition of the meaning of the quip 'even a stopped clock is right two times a day'. There is nothing about Vokes that convinces me that he is a nailed on starter in our side other than he has very weak competition for that spot. I'm sorry but your thoughts about his heading ability are complete crap - Vokes won more aerial duels than any other player in the Championship this season, and go back to watch the Russia match and see how many aerial balls he won. |
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Post by srdcymru on Aug 22, 2016 14:24:35 GMT
I think Tom will come good given time. A change of club and standard was always going to take time. Hope Barnsley keep faith with him over the coming weeks. Hopefully he will be in the squad for Moldova.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 14:28:46 GMT
Again though, how many headers has he made a right horlicks of? More than I care to remember! His header against Belgium was the very definition of the meaning of the quip 'even a stopped clock is right two times a day'. There is nothing about Vokes that convinces me that he is a nailed on starter in our side other than he has very weak competition for that spot. I'm sorry but your thoughts about his heading ability are complete crap - Vokes won more aerial duels than any other player in the Championship this season, and go back to watch the Russia match and see how many aerial balls he won. Well I'm more talking about his heading ability in the area, he makes a poor centre forward in that respect. He has consistently missed easier headers than that one he scored against Belgium. I've not been impressed by his general play as a target man either, he was alright against Russia but he just doesn't produce that often enough. Basically his all round play and level of performance doesn't make him good enough (for the way we play) at international level. |
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 22, 2016 15:00:56 GMT
Realistically It's either play Vokes, HRK, Bradshaw or Church:
HRK - no club, hence fitness/sharpness a worry.
Bradshaw - adapting to Championship at present and a bit of work needed.
Church - career rapidly going down the shitter and always looks out of his depth at int level, even on a good day.
Vokes - Not a great goalscoring record at International level and often struggles with the pace of the game when playing for Wales BUT he is the only EPL starter and has had a good start to the season.
T Roberts - too soon? Probably but COULD prove be better than all of the above.
For Moldova I can only find positives for Vokes but not the other guys.
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Post by toshfan on Aug 22, 2016 15:18:07 GMT
he was alright against Russia That is harsh for me. I do not recall a Welsh striker winning so many headers in a single game. He was excellent. I think that his record is better than he is being credit for but even for those who are not fans, I thought that the Russia and Belgium games should have regenerated his reputation in their eyes. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Aug 22, 2016 17:36:53 GMT
Realistically It's either play Vokes, HRK, Bradshaw or Church: HRK - no club, hence fitness/sharpness a worry. Bradshaw - adapting to Championship at present and a bit of work needed. Church - career rapidly going down the shitter and always looks out of his depth at int level, even on a good day. Vokes - Not a great goalscoring record at International level and often struggles with the pace of the game when playing for Wales BUT he is the only EPL starter and has had a good start to the season. T Roberts - too soon? Probably but COULD prove be better than all of the above. For Moldova I can only find positives for Vokes but not the other guys. Bradshaw was in Div 1 when he came off the bench and impressed many with his performance in that game. He suits our style of play. As others have said give him a chance as the season is young. |
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Post by jamaro on Aug 27, 2016 19:15:59 GMT
Came off the bench and scored his first Championship goal today. Apparently an excellent header
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