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Post by ger93 on Sept 17, 2015 14:09:21 GMT
'I do not think league 1players should be getting caps' - so Earnie shouldn't have been on the field to score that fantastic goal vs Germany then? And Arfon Griffiths shouldn't have been on the pitch to score the goal that took us to the quarter finals of the Euros? Let me explain a bit deeper,Flynnfan. I have been a long and suffering supporter for many years,and agree with your views on call ups from lower league players,as we often had no choice for many barren years. We did find the odd gem as well,Ashley Williams was a prime example. We would very often be a 80/90/100th ranked side,and to get 23 players for squads we had to look at league 1 and 2 to fill the bus,as so many pulled out with injuries,but my feeling now is we have moved on,and need to stay on this professional and successful path we have found ourselves on. Our strength in depth is fantastic,no one seems to have an injury these days(the one which would rule them out just for a Wales game). It is great we have a player scoring in league 1,and I hope he goes on and scores loads of goals for Wales,but in this point of time,I feel he needs to move up another division,keep scoring and then we can get excited. Welsh football has reached a new level,and I respect everyone's views on who they would like to be capped,but for us to stay at the top table,I feel we need to have a squad of the highest order possible. I would prefer a player scoring goals in League 1 (Bradshaw) in the Wales squad than a player who can't score to save his life in the Championship and who is hardly getting playing time (Church). Simple. |
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Post by richierich333 on Sept 17, 2015 14:25:55 GMT
I agree with Rush in that if we had a full squad of premier league players at the time, as good as they were when they came in, Gabbs, Earnie and Ash would not have been picked. It was more out of necessity and I agree we cannot play league 1 players as a top 10 nation, unless we absolutely have to. Friendlies are a different matter and I would love to see Bradshaw show us what he's made of in this scenario and even young Jordan Williams on loan at L1 Swindon.
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Post by rush on Sept 17, 2015 15:10:10 GMT
Remember Eastwood scoring against Manchester united for Southend in the league cup,and he was soon capped! Look,I think if Bradshaw scored against Chelsea then I hope it's the scouts from bigger clubs that are prepared to give him his chance,rather than his country! Like I said,I want him to do well,but I do not want us to pin our hopes on someone who is playing at a lower level. I did also agree with you about picking players from the lower leagues a few years back,so you do not need to keep pointing out players as examples,but I feel we need to think big now. We made the top ten in the rankings,and all saw the negative press and sniggers about us,so if us as fans are going to keep banging on about league 1players,then where is our ambition? We will qualify for France in a few weeks,and if Bradshaw gets called up,he might think,I can stay here and still play for Wales,but if he gets overlooked,he might dig deeper,score more,get a move to a bigger club and hopefully keep scoring,so we can finally wave goodbye to Church,which is what we all want!
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 17, 2015 15:20:50 GMT
we can finally wave goodbye to Church,which is what we all want!
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Personally, I would prefer it if he started scoring loads of goals...
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Post by oberon on Sept 17, 2015 16:37:18 GMT
If Bale is going to be missing for the last two games then I would be more than happy to see Broadshaw come into the fold and even start him against Bosnia so that he can have a chance to integrate himself into the squad/team in readiness for our biggest game v Andorra. I hope Cookie is already working out how best to fit him in we need goals in our last two games.
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Post by cadno on Sept 17, 2015 17:15:58 GMT
Church deserves more appreciation that he gets.
I don't think he's as good as HRK - but let's acknowledge that they have a similar record at club+country...
HRK Wales caps: 28 ... goals: 2
Church Wales caps 31 ... goals: 2
I realise that HRK has played most of his games as a winger. They have a similar amount of goals at club level too.
My gut feeling is that Church would score a lot of goals in League 1, but he's 27 in December and needs to have a good season in the championship. He's made good runs and hit the post a few times this season, small margins
Btw fantastic goal from Vokes the other day!
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Post by ontheroadagain on Sept 17, 2015 17:20:00 GMT
At least getting Bradshaw to meet up with the squad may give Church the kick up the backside he needs.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Sept 17, 2015 17:26:56 GMT
Vokes has 6 in 35, he has had to come back from injury but maybe he should get a run out from start
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Post by oberon on Sept 17, 2015 17:31:19 GMT
I'm not sure what the injury updates are but I'm hoping Allen,Huws and Ledley will be fit and it would be nice if Williams can get some game time at Forest to make himself available. Out wide will be a concern with a lack of pace with the absence of Bale, is Williams of Fulham ready to play?
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Post by cadno on Sept 17, 2015 17:38:14 GMT
I'm not sure what the injury updates are but I'm hoping Allen,Huws and Ledley will be fit and it would be nice if Williams can get some game time at Forest to make himself available. Out wide will be a concern with a lack of pace with the absence of Bale, is Williams of Fulham ready to play? It will be great to have them back, and Bale could still be available  ...Both Joniesta and G.Williams had game time for u21s the other day, so they should be ready for first team football now |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Sept 17, 2015 17:44:06 GMT
I'm not sure what the injury updates are but I'm hoping Allen,Huws and Ledley will be fit and it would be nice if Williams can get some game time at Forest to make himself available. Out wide will be a concern with a lack of pace with the absence of Bale, is Williams of Fulham ready to play? It will be great to have them back, and Bale could still be available ...Both Joniesta and G.Williams had game time for u21s the other day, so they should be ready for first team football nowΒ Added interest in watching Saturday's team selections for their respective teams. |
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Post by oberon on Sept 17, 2015 17:46:34 GMT
I hope that Bale will be available for the Andorra game at least but I hope there's a plan B in operation. They gave us a tough game out there but that pitch was awful you could see a lot of the Welsh team were unhappy on it. I think someone has already stated that if we can't beat them we don't deserve to qualify but I'd prefer the loaded gun of a best XI for the game.
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Post by nathan1710 on Sept 17, 2015 19:41:18 GMT
'I do not think league 1players should be getting caps' - so Earnie shouldn't have been on the field to score that fantastic goal vs Germany then? And Arfon Griffiths shouldn't have been on the pitch to score the goal that took us to the quarter finals of the Euros? Let me explain a bit deeper,Flynnfan. I have been a long and suffering supporter for many years,and agree with your views on call ups from lower league players,as we often had no choice for many barren years. We did find the odd gem as well,Ashley Williams was a prime example. We would very often be a 80/90/100th ranked side,and to get 23 players for squads we had to look at league 1 and 2 to fill the bus,as so many pulled out with injuries,but my feeling now is we have moved on,and need to stay on this professional and successful path we have found ourselves on. Our strength in depth is fantastic,no one seems to have an injury these days(the one which would rule them out just for a Wales game). It is great we have a player scoring in league 1,and I hope he goes on and scores loads of goals for Wales,but in this point of time,I feel he needs to move up another division,keep scoring and then we can get excited. Welsh football has reached a new level,and I respect everyone's views on who they would like to be capped,but for us to stay at the top table,I feel we need to have a squad of the highest order possible. Load of shit. If he's good enough he should play no matter what club he's at. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 17, 2015 20:50:56 GMT
'I do not think league 1players should be getting caps' - so Earnie shouldn't have been on the field to score that fantastic goal vs Germany then? And Arfon Griffiths shouldn't have been on the pitch to score the goal that took us to the quarter finals of the Euros? Let me explain a bit deeper,Flynnfan. I have been a long and suffering supporter for many years,and agree with your views on call ups from lower league players,as we often had no choice for many barren years. We did find the odd gem as well,Ashley Williams was a prime example. We would very often be a 80/90/100th ranked side,and to get 23 players for squads we had to look at league 1 and 2 to fill the bus,as so many pulled out with injuries,but my feeling now is we have moved on,and need to stay on this professional and successful path we have found ourselves on. Our strength in depth is fantastic,no one seems to have an injury these days(the one which would rule them out just for a Wales game). It is great we have a player scoring in league 1,and I hope he goes on and scores loads of goals for Wales,but in this point of time,I feel he needs to move up another division,keep scoring and then we can get excited. Welsh football has reached a new level,and I respect everyone's views on who they would like to be capped,but for us to stay at the top table,I feel we need to have a squad of the highest order possible. Are you Chris Coleman? Seriously, I can't understand why Churchy keeps getting the nod ahead of Bradshaw. From watching the both in action, it's clear to me who the better player is. |
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Post by welwyn on Sept 17, 2015 23:18:30 GMT
Seriously, I can't understand why Churchy keeps getting the nod ahead of Bradshaw. From watching the both in action, it's clear to me who the better player is. That isn't the question though, as far as the way we play goes, Church is the 2nd best forward player we have. Hal's job, as mentioned by others is to chase, harry and occupy defenders, both off and on the ball in order to create space for the players that are going to score/create our goals. Being any good as a striker has nothing to do with it, otherwise Vokes would start as he is or best forward player but he isn't very good at doing that role. What happens if we are playing really well, plan a) is working, but HRK gets injured or is just plain knackered? Then we need another of that type to come on as a like for like replacement and like it or not, Churchy is the 2nd best we have got at doing that. So he needs to be continued to be picked right now. The real question is why Bradshaw doesn't get in for Tom Lawrence, who right now, seems to be failing to impress anywhere he goes? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 16:28:58 GMT
Seriously, I can't understand why Churchy keeps getting the nod ahead of Bradshaw. From watching the both in action, it's clear to me who the better player is. That isn't the question though, as far as the way we play goes, Church is the 2nd best forward player we have. Hal's job, as mentioned by others is to chase, harry and occupy defenders, both off and on the ball in order to create space for the players that are going to score/create our goals. Being any good as a striker has nothing to do with it, otherwise Vokes would start as he is or best forward player but he isn't very good at doing that role. What happens if we are playing really well, plan a) is working, but HRK gets injured or is just plain knackered? Then we need another of that type to come on as a like for like replacement and like it or not, Churchy is the 2nd best we have got at doing that. So he needs to be continued to be picked right now. The real question is why Bradshaw doesn't get in for Tom Lawrence, who right now, seems to be failing to impress anywhere he goes? To be brutally honest though, the opposition don't really need a gameplan for when he has the ball. Let him have it, he won't hurt a decent side. His pressing from the front is useful, but in terms of what he can do with the ball he, sadly because he is a good servant, just isn't very good. It really does feel that that number 11 shirt is up for grabs in the side, HRK gets picked because he is the best of a bad bunch. I am just hoping that between now and the finals a top level wing forward player with an eye for goal realises that that role in the Wales team is custom made for them and they throw their lot in with us. I suspect we would know such a player is available by now so hope is as far as it goes. Wes Burns sounds well suited to it in the long run, way too soon now though. |
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Post by nathan1710 on Sept 18, 2015 20:56:37 GMT
Seriously, I can't understand why Churchy keeps getting the nod ahead of Bradshaw. From watching the both in action, it's clear to me who the better player is. That isn't the question though, as far as the way we play goes, Church is the 2nd best forward player we have. Hal's job, as mentioned by others is to chase, harry and occupy defenders, both off and on the ball in order to create space for the players that are going to score/create our goals. Being any good as a striker has nothing to do with it, otherwise Vokes would start as he is or best forward player but he isn't very good at doing that role.Β What happens if we are playing really well, plan a) is working, but HRK gets injured or is just plain knackered? Then we need another of that type to come on as a like for like replacement and like it or not, Churchy is the 2nd best we have got at doing that. So he needs to be continued to be picked right now. The real question is why Bradshaw doesn't get in for Tom Lawrence, who right now, seems to be failing to impress anywhere he goes? How do we know Bradshaw can't press the back 4 just as well? |
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Post by rush on Sept 19, 2015 19:54:41 GMT
Load of shit. If he's good enough he should play no matter what club he's at.
How do we know Bradshaw can't press the back 4 just as well?
Are you Tom's dad??
Just out of curiosity as Tom is good enough,with his 4 league 1 goals,do you think Adam Armstrong with 6,should be looking for an England cap?
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Post by rush on Sept 19, 2015 20:04:30 GMT
Seriously, I can't understand why Churchy keeps getting the nod ahead of Bradshaw. From watching the both in action, it's clear to me who the better player is.
Could be,because one plays in the championship,and the other plays in league 1. Different divisions erasedcitizen,and don't tell anyone I told you,but one is much harder than the other!!
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Post by nathan1710 on Sept 19, 2015 20:19:27 GMT
Load of shit. If he's good enough he should play no matter what club he's at. How do we know Bradshaw can't press the back 4 just as well? Are you Tom's dad?? Just out of curiosity as Tom is good enough,with his 4 league 1 goals,do you think Adam Armstrong with 6,should be looking for an England cap? Another fucking ridiculous comment. No, I'm not his dad, we're roughly the same age. And look at the difference between England's ST options compared to ours to answer your silly question. |
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Post by rush on Sept 19, 2015 20:37:46 GMT
Actually it was a very good question,as you were saying how if you score in league 1,your country beckons. Rooney,0 goals in prem! Armstrong 6 in league 1.
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Post by nathan1710 on Sept 19, 2015 20:43:48 GMT
Actually it was a very good question,as you were saying how if you score in league 1,your country beckons. Rooney,0 goals in prem! Armstrong 6 in league 1. Not even going to answer this properly. Use your brain mate |
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Post by richierich333 on Sept 21, 2015 11:29:20 GMT
He may very well turn out to be the striker we are looking for but until he plays at the very least championship level, I will reserve my judgement. I say we've evolved from the days of looking that far down the pyramid in competitive games but like i said previously would be v pleased to see him start in a friendly.
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Post by richierich333 on Sept 22, 2015 8:38:51 GMT
'I do not think league 1players should be getting caps' - so Earnie shouldn't have been on the field to score that fantastic goal vs Germany then? And Arfon Griffiths shouldn't have been on the pitch to score the goal that took us to the quarter finals of the Euros? Let me explain a bit deeper,Flynnfan. I have been a long and suffering supporter for many years,and agree with your views on call ups from lower league players,as we often had no choice for many barren years. We did find the odd gem as well,Ashley Williams was a prime example. We would very often be a 80/90/100th ranked side,and to get 23 players for squads we had to look at league 1 and 2 to fill the bus,as so many pulled out with injuries,but my feeling now is we have moved on,and need to stay on this professional and successful path we have found ourselves on. Our strength in depth is fantastic,no one seems to have an injury these days(the one which would rule them out just for a Wales game). It is great we have a player scoring in league 1,and I hope he goes on and scores loads of goals for Wales,but in this point of time,I feel he needs to move up another division,keep scoring and then we can get excited. Welsh football has reached a new level,and I respect everyone's views on who they would like to be capped,but for us to stay at the top table,I feel we need to have a squad of the highest order possible. Load of shit. If he's good enough he should play no matter what club he's at. How on earth have you come to the conclusion that he is 'good enough' for international football because he scores goals in League 1? He may very well be but it's a complete and utter gamble. Also judging from your 'no matter what club' statement I dread to think where you would draw the line, league 2? Conference? Come on ffs we're finally competitive |
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Post by nathan1710 on Sept 22, 2015 18:02:19 GMT
Load of shit. If he's good enough he should play no matter what club he's at. How on earth have you come to the conclusion that he is 'good enough' for international football because he scores goals in League 1?Β He may very well be but it's a complete and utter gamble.Β Also judging from your 'no matter what club' statement I dread to think where you would draw the line, league 2? Conference? Come on ffs we're finally competitive Are you saying Simon Church is good enough for international football. We don't have the depth in that position to say Bradshaw isn't good enough. |
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Post by cadno on Sept 22, 2015 20:38:26 GMT
How on earth have you come to the conclusion that he is 'good enough' for international football because he scores goals in League 1? He may very well be but it's a complete and utter gamble. Also judging from your 'no matter what club' statement I dread to think where you would draw the line, league 2? Conference? Come on ffs we're finally competitive Are you saying Simon Church is good enough for international football. We don't have the depth in that position to say Bradshaw isn't good enough. Iceland have had players from league 1 in the past, albeit only defenders I think? Bradshaw is definitely a decent option and deserves a call up soon.. as "traditional" strikers go I think Vokes, Hal, Church and Bradshaw are our best options right now. Bale, Lawrence and G.Williams are more no.10 or wingers than strikers, you could argue that Robson-Kanu falls into that category too but he see's himself as a number 9 and he does play well there. This is irrelevant to this thread and it's been said before - but I believe our squads average age is 25, Austria 26, Iceland 28...We haven't peaked yet, exciting times ahead. #UpWelshFootball |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 23, 2015 12:12:55 GMT
Can't find anything about him being out injured tonight despite coming off at the weekend, so I presume he's fit to face Chelsea. Massive chance to make a name for himself this.
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Post by walesaway on Oct 4, 2015 12:14:34 GMT
"He's absolutely quality mate - he won't be at us much longer - way too good. I just cannot understand how Church gets in ahead of him - hopefully Tom scores more and gets in for the Euros!"
^ a Walsall-supporting mate of mine was asking why Bradshaw hasn't made the Wales squad.
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Post by nathan1710 on Oct 18, 2015 21:55:09 GMT
Yesterday a new guy joined our football team and I noticed he had a Walsall jumper on. I went over to talk to him and he said he had moved down a few weeks earlier. I asked him if he knew much about Bradshaw and he said he is a season ticket holder at Walsall and that Bradshaw was outstanding and that he's the beat ST in the league. He then said he was in the players lounge after a game a few weeks ago. Apparently Tom was there, and he found out that David Cotterill had pulled out of the squad injured and had been replaced by Wes Burns. The guy said Tom shouted "what the fuck have i got to do to earn a call up"? Then the players began to take the piss and gave him some jip over his reaction.
Not sure how much truth is in that but why would he lie?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 22:20:23 GMT
Ian Edwards third tier with Chester four goals against Malta so maybe the third tier guys can do it.
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...Both Joniesta and G.Williams had game time for u21s the other day, so they should be ready for first team football now 
