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Post by nathan1710 on Nov 24, 2015 22:11:00 GMT
Scored again tonight.
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Post by rob on Nov 24, 2015 23:27:47 GMT
Problem is how many friendlies before announcing squad ? As low as 1 ? Quite possible given play less friendlies than any other country.By March Bradshaw could be on over 20 goals and scored over double anyone else Welsh this season.Qualifiers showed Bale apart desperately lack a goalscorer.
Goalscorer for us here.Church does not score unfortunately.One thing taking OFW out of loyalty as he will not play-a striker is a different matter because you need to bring one on when chasing a game.
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Post by richierich333 on Nov 25, 2015 10:32:38 GMT
I've done a bit of a U turn on Bradshaw. I think he deserves a chance to start in the next friendly. I was kinda hoping Vokes would get back to form or young Tyler would break through hence my reluctance but you cannot ignore the amount of goals he has scored/ is scoring. It's a shame he's not Champ level but It looks like he will either go up with Walsall or get snapped up by someone higher up. Start him and drop (once and for all) Church
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Post by cadno on Nov 25, 2015 11:24:26 GMT
HRK makes good runs, holds the ball up well and brings others into the game (Ramsey and Bale)
Churchy can do a decent job in this role too.
Vokes did well when he came on against Israel away. He can score goals, I'm not sure if he's as mobile as Hal or Church, but he can hold the ball up well + win headers.
I think Lawrence is better suited for the Ramsey/Bale role, behind the striker, but he did a really good job leading the line vs the Netherlands, and that was without Ramsey and Bale.
Bradshaw is our best goalscorer at the moment, I hope he gets a chance to prove himself in our friendlies ahead of the Euros...
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Post by squatter1 on Nov 25, 2015 11:44:40 GMT
HRK makes good runs, holds the ball up well and brings others into the game (Ramsey and Bale) Churchy can do a decent job in this role too. Vokes did well when he came on against Israel away. He can score goals, I'm not sure if he's as mobile as Hal or Church, but he can hold the ball up well + win headers. I think Lawrence is better suited for the Ramsey/Bale role, behind the striker, but he did a really good job leading the line vs the Netherlands, and that was without Ramsey and Bale. Bradshaw is our best goalscorer at the moment, I hope he gets a chance to prove himself in our friendlies ahead of the Euros... I disagree. HRK is not good at holding the ball up. In fact he's poor at holding the ball up cos his touch is so bad. That was one of the most joyous things about watching Lawrence up front - at last a striker with good touch. That's something we've not had since Hartson retired (counting Bellamy as a winger) I do agree that Lawrence will perhaps end up best behind a front man, but I hope for our sakes in France that his performance against the Dutch up front wasn't a flash in the pan. |
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Post by richierich333 on Nov 25, 2015 13:16:01 GMT
HRK makes good runs, holds the ball up well and brings others into the game (Ramsey and Bale) Churchy can do a decent job in this role too. Vokes did well when he came on against Israel away. He can score goals, I'm not sure if he's as mobile as Hal or Church, but he can hold the ball up well + win headers. I think Lawrence is better suited for the Ramsey/Bale role, behind the striker, but he did a really good job leading the line vs the Netherlands, and that was without Ramsey and Bale. Bradshaw is our best goalscorer at the moment, I hope he gets a chance to prove himself in our friendlies ahead of the Euros... I admire your positivity but the truth is we have a huge hole to fill up front and fast. This is one of the weakest front lines that will be on show at the finals. I know what they can each do and what each brings to the team but you are ignoring the fact that Church, Vokes and HRK are not scoring goals or even certain starters for their clubs. Church in particular cannot do a decent job in this role at international level. He WAS a very promising youngster and there is not much more to add than that I'm sorry to say. |
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Post by richierich333 on Nov 25, 2015 13:18:04 GMT
HRK makes good runs, holds the ball up well and brings others into the game (Ramsey and Bale) Churchy can do a decent job in this role too. Vokes did well when he came on against Israel away. He can score goals, I'm not sure if he's as mobile as Hal or Church, but he can hold the ball up well + win headers. I think Lawrence is better suited for the Ramsey/Bale role, behind the striker, but he did a really good job leading the line vs the Netherlands, and that was without Ramsey and Bale. Bradshaw is our best goalscorer at the moment, I hope he gets a chance to prove himself in our friendlies ahead of the Euros... I disagree. HRK is not good at holding the ball up. In fact he's poor at holding the ball up cos his touch is so bad. That was one of the most joyous things about watching Lawrence up front - at last a striker with good touch. That's something we've not had since Hartson retired (counting Bellamy as a winger) I do agree that Lawrence will perhaps end up best behind a front man, but I hope for our sakes in France that his performance against the Dutch up front wasn't a flash in the pan. I think Lawrence is head and shoulders above Church, Vokes and even HRK. Let's hope he starts playing for Leicester sooner rather than later. |
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Post by cadno on Nov 25, 2015 13:41:54 GMT
HRK makes good runs, holds the ball up well and brings others into the game (Ramsey and Bale) Churchy can do a decent job in this role too. Vokes did well when he came on against Israel away. He can score goals, I'm not sure if he's as mobile as Hal or Church, but he can hold the ball up well + win headers. I think Lawrence is better suited for the Ramsey/Bale role, behind the striker, but he did a really good job leading the line vs the Netherlands, and that was without Ramsey and Bale. Bradshaw is our best goalscorer at the moment, I hope he gets a chance to prove himself in our friendlies ahead of the Euros... I admire your positivity but the truth is we have a huge hole to fill up front and fast. This is one of the weakest front lines that will be on show at the finals. I know what they can each do and what each brings to the team but you are ignoring the fact that Church, Vokes and HRK are not scoring goals or even certain starters for their clubs. Church in particular cannot do a decent job in this role at international level. He WAS a very promising youngster and there is not much more to add than that I'm sorry to say. "Church in particular cannot do a decent job in this role at international level." He can do a decent job making the right runs, holding the ball up and bringing others into play. As proven against Bosnia at home and against the Netherlands in 2014. He has a really poor record scoring goals though, as does HRK so far. I hope Bradshaw gets a chance because as I said, he's our best goalscorer at the moment. But we do have Bale who can score at any time, so as long as he's fit i'm not too worried about us scoring goals. (sorry I know it feels like this is all we hear when the media talk about Welsh footy) |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 25, 2015 17:26:33 GMT
HRK makes good runs, holds the ball up well and brings others into the game (Ramsey and Bale) Churchy can do a decent job in this role too. Vokes did well when he came on against Israel away. He can score goals, I'm not sure if he's as mobile as Hal or Church, but he can hold the ball up well + win headers. I think Lawrence is better suited for the Ramsey/Bale role, behind the striker, but he did a really good job leading the line vs the Netherlands, and that was without Ramsey and Bale. Bradshaw is our best goalscorer at the moment, I hope he gets a chance to prove himself in our friendlies ahead of the Euros... Did Vokes play well out in Israel? I just remember him preventing us from scoring more goals |
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Post by welshiron on Nov 25, 2015 17:31:58 GMT
There is a reason why Bradshaw has only played in leagues 1 and 2, he had a good season last year and a decent one this season but until he makes the step up I think Vokes, HRK etc are better choices
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Post by richierich333 on Nov 26, 2015 11:55:49 GMT
There is a reason why Bradshaw has only played in leagues 1 and 2, he had a good season last year and a decent one this season but until he makes the step up I think Vokes, HRK etc are better choices Vardy was in non league until a few years ago and now he's a starter for England. That argument for me doesn't hold any weight. Not all players start of at a top premier league club and there is a lot of examples of upward mobility. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 12:20:33 GMT
There is a reason why Bradshaw has only played in leagues 1 and 2, he had a good season last year and a decent one this season but until he makes the step up I think Vokes, HRK etc are better choices Vardy was in non league until a few years ago and now he's a starter for England. That argument for me doesn't hold any weight. Not all players start of at a top premier league club and there is a lot of examples of upward mobility. Excellent point. Whilst players with a career progression like Vardy come along once in a blue moon it still stands that it is more than possible that a player in League One could do a job for us at international level. We need to get him on the pitch and give him a chance. |
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Post by llannerch on Nov 26, 2015 14:33:43 GMT
HRK makes good runs, holds the ball up well and brings others into the game (Ramsey and Bale) Churchy can do a decent job in this role too. Vokes did well when he came on against Israel away. He can score goals, I'm not sure if he's as mobile as Hal or Church, but he can hold the ball up well + win headers. I think Lawrence is better suited for the Ramsey/Bale role, behind the striker, but he did a really good job leading the line vs the Netherlands, and that was without Ramsey and Bale. Bradshaw is our best goalscorer at the moment, I hope he gets a chance to prove himself in our friendlies ahead of the Euros... Did Vokes play well out in Israel? I just remember him preventing us from scoring more goals I thought he did ok. Was rusty but we had more punch when he'd replaced HRK |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 16:42:11 GMT
HRK makes good runs, holds the ball up well and brings others into the game (Ramsey and Bale) Churchy can do a decent job in this role too. Vokes did well when he came on against Israel away. He can score goals, I'm not sure if he's as mobile as Hal or Church, but he can hold the ball up well + win headers. I think Lawrence is better suited for the Ramsey/Bale role, behind the striker, but he did a really good job leading the line vs the Netherlands, and that was without Ramsey and Bale. Bradshaw is our best goalscorer at the moment, I hope he gets a chance to prove himself in our friendlies ahead of the Euros... Did Vokes play well out in Israel? I just remember him preventing us from scoring more goals Business as usual then. There is the famous quip about a player having a head like a bar of Toblerone to suggest he is crap in the air, well using that logic Vokes has got a body like a bar of Toblerone judging by the Andorra game. No matter how the ball came to him it ended up in Row Z every time. Against a team of that quality it was really poor seeing a Welsh striker fail to threaten the goal so dismally. I still have not seen the Dutch game, so I really hope the reports on Lawrence are not just Welsh tinted fighting talk as we desperately, desperately need a striker to step up. And we also need Coleman to grow a set of balls and try playing some of these players. I suspect he is happy enough going into the finals with HRK, Vokes and Church as his strikers. In my opinion the situation is far graver than that- we need an overhaul up front and would love to see that Lawrence and Bradshaw are in line to be starters at the finals. We can't really do much worse in all honesty. |
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Post by alarch on Nov 26, 2015 20:25:47 GMT
If you're hoping to see promising efforts on goal then you'll be disappointed in Lawrence's performance - two scuffed efforts - one a presentable opportunity. People were raving about his hold-up and link play, and a generally energetic performance. Not to be scoffed out - but when it comes to scoring prowess there is still a gap to be filled as things stand.
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Post by cadno on Nov 26, 2015 21:54:30 GMT
Are we in desperate need of a traditional striker though? I don't think so
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Post by alarch on Nov 26, 2015 22:19:03 GMT
Not necessarily I agree. But it would be good to have at least one striker in the squad for the Euros that knows where the back of the net is. Bradshaw has a reasonable chance of forcing his way into the squad for that reason alone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 10:23:16 GMT
Are we in desperate need of a traditional striker though? I don't think so I would say so, there are not enough goals in the rest of the team really. If Bale doesn't score then barring a freak occurrence we aren't going to win. |
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Post by cadno on Nov 27, 2015 11:04:37 GMT
Yeah you're probably right.
Bradshaw is our most confident goalscorer at the moment (except for Bale). It would be handy to have him in the squad.
Vokes scored 20 goals in the Championship in the 13/14 season. It's been really tough for him coming back from a serious injury but his sharpness and match fitness will improve with a full season behind him. He's in with a good chance to feature a lot in the Euros. He only turned 26 last month too.
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Post by flynnfan on Nov 27, 2015 12:05:14 GMT
Are we in desperate need of a traditional striker though? I don't think so I would say so, there are not enough goals in the rest of the team really. If Bale doesn't score then barring a freak occurrence we aren't going to win. tend to agree. At the moment, we're a little bit like the late-80's Wales team: slightly too reliant on Rush for goals (after Hughes went to Barca and lost confidence and the goals dried up) We got better again and nearly qualified in 92 and 94 when Saunders became a big player for Wales and started scoring loads. Maybe Bradshaw could be the new Saunders? |
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Post by cadno on Nov 27, 2015 13:05:06 GMT
Bradshaw has a very strong case to be in the squad. But it's a must for Huws to be in there! youtu.be/IXZXsc3YkMY Tricky call between Edwards/King. I think it's a case of G.Williams/Bradshaw rather than Church/Bradshaw. Maybe Cotts will miss out  but I can't see Churchy being dropped. I hope Bradshaw becomes the modern Deano. |
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Post by joio on Nov 27, 2015 13:56:15 GMT
Vardy was in non league until a few years ago and now he's a starter for England. That argument for me doesn't hold any weight. Not all players start of at a top premier league club and there is a lot of examples of upward mobility. Excellent point. Whilst players with a career progression like Vardy come along once in a blue moon it still stands that it is more than possible that a player in League One could do a job for us at international level. We need to get him on the pitch and give him a chance. I also agree that this argument doesn't hold any weight. We only need to look at our captain. Until 2008 he was playing for Stockport and when he joined the Swans they were in League 1. Before that he played for Hednesford Town after being released by WBA when he was 16. In fact Williams' story is quite similar to Vardy's story. Vardy was released by Sheffield Wednesday when he was 16 and had to work up through the leagues again. Charlie Austin is another one. |
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Post by nathan1710 on Nov 28, 2015 15:58:31 GMT
And another one. This kid just can't stop scoring. I think that's his 12th of the season. Surely a Championship vlub will come in for him in January. I just hope Walsall sell.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Nov 28, 2015 16:22:38 GMT
And another one. This kid just can't stop scoring. I think that's his 12th of the season. Surely a Championship vlub will come in for him in January. I just hope Walsall sell. Text updates also confirm that he has won 3 free kicks. Does this suggest that he is too quick for defenders? |
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Post by nathan1710 on Nov 28, 2015 19:37:11 GMT
And another one. This kid just can't stop scoring. I think that's his 12th of the season. Surely a Championship vlub will come in for him in January. I just hope Walsall sell. Text updates also confirm that he has won 3 free kicks. Does this suggest that he is too quick for defenders? I hope he can be our "Jamie Vardy" so to speak. We need a player that gets goals from putting the miles in. He's got to go to France. Simply has to. |
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Post by llannerch on Nov 28, 2015 19:47:26 GMT
Bradshaw: our Toto Schillaci? Makes his debut in the year of the tournament, goes as a squad member but makes his name. Stranger things have happened. Not many though. And Schillaci was at Juventus at the time of Italia 90, not Walsall
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Post by ontheroadagain on Nov 28, 2015 20:42:32 GMT
Bradshaw: our Toto Schillaci? Makes his debut in the year of the tournament, goes as a squad member but makes his name. Stranger things have happened. Not many though. And Schillaci was at Juventus at the time of Italia 90, not Walsall But Bradshaw may not be at Walsall come the end of January! |
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Post by phillygaz on Nov 28, 2015 22:55:44 GMT
Vardy is in the England squad because he is scoring for fun in the EPL. Not because anyone is gambling on him as a late developer. I hope Bradshaw proves to be the missing link but "knowing where the back of the net is" in League 1 proves zero. He is a player to keep an eye on but totting up his goals against Crewe and Swindon does not make him our secret weapon for the finals.0
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Post by nathan1710 on Nov 28, 2015 23:21:06 GMT
Vardy is in the England squad because he is scoring for fun in the EPL. Not because anyone is gambling on him as a late developer. I hope Bradshaw proves to be the missing link but "knowing where the back of the net is" in League 1 proves zero. He is a player to keep an eye on but totting up his goals against Crewe and Swindon does not make him our secret weapon for the finals.0 Got Any better ideas Gaz? Or shall we ask fat John to get his boots on because he scored 71 goals in the 74/75 season? |
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Post by llannerch on Nov 29, 2015 9:53:25 GMT
For all the pre-Holland Bradshaw hype - and I indulged in that myself - the reality is Lawrence's performance suggested he might be our Toto, as it were
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but I can't see Churchy being dropped. 
