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Post by flynnfan on May 8, 2014 12:22:02 GMT
The Collins v Chester debate won't need answering that often because we always seem to have one centre back out injured
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This. I don't think there's even a debate to be had. When was the last time we put out a first choice team? October 2002 vs Italy by my reckoning. Point being, we NEED strngth in depth.
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Post by squatter1 on May 8, 2014 12:50:03 GMT
The Collins v Chester debate won't need answering that often because we always seem to have one centre back out injured -------- This. I don't think there's even a debate to be had. When was the last time we put out a first choice team? October 2002 vs Italy by my reckoning. Point being, we NEED strngth in depth. Nobody's saying this is anything other than great news. The only argument is over the ludicrous notion that Collins should be dropped forthwith. |
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Post by bale-droed on May 8, 2014 13:39:13 GMT
I can understand with a players grandparent being the reason they qualify that we do not know that until they declare. But how on earth does a premiership player have a welsh parent and in the 21st century with every bit of everyone's information online not know that? How did us group of hardcore fans not know this until today! I agree with the Irish papers link our press should of done the same years ago. There must be more available in the prem/championship
The only one who has a welsh parent and now grandparent that doesn't play for Wales that I can remember is Sanchez Watt and that's not a great loss at the moment.
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Post by ysbryd on May 8, 2014 17:08:39 GMT
In a perfect world I would like Wales to be in a position to call on 5 or 6 centre halfs that were playing regular football in a top division or the Championship. It is a very important position and very difficult to perfect at international level.
So it has to be good that a player playing in the Premiership has chosen to play for Wales without pressure. I don't see that he automatically keeps anyone else out of the side. Recent performances by James Collins have been good and he must be in any short term plans. He will not be avilable in a few years and as others have said has been prone to injury. We have in the past relied on one or two individuals and looked poor when they have ben missing and if we are to progress as a nation, qualifying for competitions those on the bench or in the squad will need to be as good as the first eleven.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2014 17:20:38 GMT
Chester should no way automatically walk into our first team ahead of collins. Collins has shown in recent games his is committed to wales.
Chester should be integrated into the squad first. Firstly he should be properly 'initiated' as a welshman.
He will get his chance soon enough as a first rotation, given the injuries and suspensions scenario that occur in every campaign.
....how should he be 'initiated'?...eat a pair of sheep bollocks or something?
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Post by squatter1 on May 8, 2014 17:41:01 GMT
His recent injury that may mean him missing the biggest game of his career so far could quite easily double as an initiation to what it means to be a footballer playing for Wales
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Post by marsvolta on May 8, 2014 20:51:11 GMT
Good addition to the squad, adds to our pool of players.
If we can call on him instead of the likes of James Wilson and Joel Lynch then that can only be a good thing.
Now to dig up a striker from somewhere so we don't see Jermaine Easter again
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2014 21:18:54 GMT
I can understand with a players grandparent being the reason they qualify that we do not know that until they declare. But how on earth does a premiership player have a welsh parent and in the 21st century with every bit of everyone's information online not know that? How did us group of hardcore fans not know this until today! I agree with the Irish papers link our press should of done the same years ago. There must be more available in the prem/championship The only one who has a welsh parent and now grandparent that doesn't play for Wales that I can remember is Sanchez Watt and that's not a great loss at the moment. Fucking hell, Sanchez Watt! Wattever happened to that guy? |
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Post by biwmares on May 8, 2014 21:27:33 GMT
I've been trying to find out if James Chester is the only one who has been recently looked into by Coleman and his team. Are they in talks with other agents of other dual qualified players? I'm sure Chester isn't the only one they have looked into. Does anyone know if there's anyone else on his radar an if so who they are? I've been thinking about this too since hearing about James Chester. The Irish press seems to know about which players are avaialable for them but not declared yet. If Bananaman was competent he'd be doing this sort of thing too. Surely there must be at least 2 or 3 more in the Prem/Championship available to us? www.newstalk.ie/Six-potential-Grannys-Boys-on-Irelands-radarFlynnfan it might be better to not publish players names who may qualify to play for Wales. The english would probably cap them once in a competative game to make them unavaliable for us. |
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Post by rushlegend on May 8, 2014 21:27:51 GMT
Why can't we play all THREE?
Our defence is our weak spot
How about Collins/Chester in central defence with Ash Williams sweeping coz i reckon Williams'weakness is in the air.
It would mean sacrificing a midfield player or forward but we have more than enough in that department (midfield i mean)
Hennessey
Taylor
B Davies
Collins
Chester
A Williams
Ledley
Allen
Ramsey
J Williams
Bale
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Post by welshwizard79 on May 8, 2014 21:29:00 GMT
I can understand with a players grandparent being the reason they qualify that we do not know that until they declare. But how on earth does a premiership player have a welsh parent and in the 21st century with every bit of everyone's information online not know that? How did us group of hardcore fans not know this until today! I agree with the Irish papers link our press should of done the same years ago. There must be more available in the prem/championship The only one who has a welsh parent and now grandparent that doesn't play for Wales that I can remember is Sanchez Watt and that's not a great loss at the moment. Fucking hell, Sanchez Watt! Wattever happened to that guy? Playing for Colchester |
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Post by marsvolta on May 8, 2014 21:41:27 GMT
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Post by welshiron on May 9, 2014 7:56:34 GMT
The key to this is it strengthens the squad, I imagine if fit he will play in Holland and we will see how he goes.
For me Collins would still have the shirt and be given first go in the qualifiers, however, if he doesn't perform well enough or not playing first team football then we finally have an alternative.
Also, like to thank whoever mentioned Darcy Blake for giving me a laugh
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 8:28:19 GMT
No way?! I hope that was cause he genuinely considered himself English because if he was keeping his options open then he was living in dreamland. Not even good enough for the football league let alone international level. |
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Post by Tim P on May 9, 2014 9:07:40 GMT
Completely agree that since he patched things up with Coleman, Collins has been great. Clearly, he starts alongside Williams as things stand. However, we will need options, and I support James Chester for making this choice. He'll get his chance, and if he plays well enough he'll keep the shirt.
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Post by matty on May 9, 2014 10:38:07 GMT
The key to this is it strengthens the squad, I imagine if fit he will play in Holland and we will see how he goes. For me Collins would still have the shirt and be given first go in the qualifiers, however, if he doesn't perform well enough or not playing first team football then we finally have an alternative. Also, like to thank whoever mentioned Darcy Blake for giving me a laugh Darcy Blake will be playing in the Championship next season, most likely with Bolton Wanderers. That would make him 4th or 5th choice centre back for us I imagine. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on May 9, 2014 12:00:19 GMT
The key to this is it strengthens the squad, I imagine if fit he will play in Holland and we will see how he goes. For me Collins would still have the shirt and be given first go in the qualifiers, however, if he doesn't perform well enough or not playing first team football then we finally have an alternative. Also, like to thank whoever mentioned Darcy Blake for giving me a laugh Darcy Blake will be playing in the Championship next season, most likely with Bolton Wanderers. That would make him 4th or 5th choice centre back for us I imagine. Nice one matty. Press speculation or local gossip? |
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Post by matty on May 9, 2014 12:30:23 GMT
Darcy Blake will be playing in the Championship next season, most likely with Bolton Wanderers. That would make him 4th or 5th choice centre back for us I imagine. Nice one matty. Press speculation or local gossip? Haha you know me too well  I can't say too much but the facts are that Dougie Freedman signed him for Palace and is known to be a fan. When are you back home by the way? Let me know when you're down the Capel. |
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Post by luke on May 9, 2014 14:00:11 GMT
This is excellent news and a nice surprise not to have it trailed in the press before he makes a commitment.
Talk of him over Collins is silly, but then again it wouldn't be Apostle without the constant overpromotion of our players. He is not as good or as experienced as Collins. People have posted crazy views about Collins on here in the past, being harsh on him and believing his injuries weren't genuine.
However I will keep it positive- Chester is quality, is at home in the Premiership and a superb addition to our pool. I would like Dummett to also be involved so that we have as much depth as possible. Wales is becoming a more attractive proposition for non-Wales born players, and currently under Coleman, whatever results were like previously, we are on an upward curve as a team.
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Post by welshiron on May 9, 2014 14:07:22 GMT
The key to this is it strengthens the squad, I imagine if fit he will play in Holland and we will see how he goes. For me Collins would still have the shirt and be given first go in the qualifiers, however, if he doesn't perform well enough or not playing first team football then we finally have an alternative. Also, like to thank whoever mentioned Darcy Blake for giving me a laugh Darcy Blake will be playing in the Championship next season, most likely with Bolton Wanderers. That would make him 4th or 5th choice centre back for us I imagine. Hope your right Matty but there is a big difference between signing for a club and actually playing. He only managed 10 games at Palace in the championship and has only played just over 100 games in 9 season, a fair few of these as sub and none in the premiership. |
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Post by biwmares on May 9, 2014 19:01:38 GMT
Darcy Blake will be playing in the Championship next season, most likely with Bolton Wanderers. That would make him 4th or 5th choice centre back for us I imagine. Hope your right Matty but there is a big difference between signing for a club and actually playing. He only managed 10 games at Palace in the championship and has only played just over 100 games in 9 season, a fair few of these as sub and none in the premiership. Vindicated then Welshiron It does not matter how many games he has played over 9 seasons he always turned up for Wales & whatever problems Darcy Blake has had, he always gave his all & had some truly excellent performances for his country. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on May 9, 2014 19:07:46 GMT
Hope your right Matty but there is a big difference between signing for a club and actually playing. He only managed 10 games at Palace in the championship and has only played just over 100 games in 9 season, a fair few of these as sub and none in the premiership. Vindicated then Welshiron Whatever problems Darcy Blake has had, he always gave his all & had some truly excellent performances for his country. Darcy Blake always gave 110%. Just wish he would wake up to the life of a footballer in the current climate. he may have already set himself up for life, but he could achieve much more on the pitch if he changed his ways off the pitch. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 19:32:38 GMT
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Post by welshwizard79 on May 9, 2014 19:35:47 GMT
Ha ha you have got to laugh at this. He has only just pledged himself to Wales and not even made his debut and we get this crap from his manager. If he was picked to go to the world cup would Bruce say the same thing. Shut up Bruce you total tit, |
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Post by ontheroadagain on May 9, 2014 20:19:41 GMT
Thanks for bringing back good memories. The only thing missing from the article was the traffic jam at the crossroads near the ground. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 20:26:30 GMT
Thanks for bringing back good memories. The only thing missing from the article was the traffic jam at the crossroads near the ground. Yes if I remember correctly we all got off the coach and walked to the ground. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on May 9, 2014 20:32:48 GMT
Thanks for bringing back good memories. The only thing missing from the article was the traffic jam at the crossroads near the ground. Yes if I remember correctly we all got off the coach and walked to the ground. You were lucky. Our taxi driver took to the pavement to turn left. We said enough was enough, paid and got out. He promptly reversed and bumped into a local's shin. |
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Post by flynnfan on May 10, 2014 13:56:04 GMT
I've been thinking about this too since hearing about James Chester. The Irish press seems to know about which players are avaialable for them but not declared yet. If Bananaman was competent he'd be doing this sort of thing too. Surely there must be at least 2 or 3 more in the Prem/Championship available to us? www.newstalk.ie/Six-potential-Grannys-Boys-on-Irelands-radarFlynnfan it might be better to not publish players names who may qualify to play for Wales. The english would probably cap them once in a competative game to make them unavaliable for us. Yeah, maybe... here's a list of ones I can think of anyway: Ben Turner - Cardiff - defender- (Welsh grandperents) Ryan Shawcross - Stoke - defender (school rule...only played for England in a friendly) Karl Darlow - Notts Forest - goalkeeper - (Welsh grandparent) Sanchez Watt - Colchester - winger/forward (Welsh parent?) David Jones - Burnley - midfielder - (Welsh parents...but he's 29 now so I guess just not interested in playing international football?) must be one or two more? |
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Post by welshwarrior on May 10, 2014 14:34:27 GMT
Very good news, when I have watched Hull I have always thought he was underrated.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 15:43:30 GMT
Hope your right Matty but there is a big difference between signing for a club and actually playing. He only managed 10 games at Palace in the championship and has only played just over 100 games in 9 season, a fair few of these as sub and none in the premiership. Vindicated then Welshiron It does not matter how many games he has played over 9 seasons he always turned up for Wales & whatever problems Darcy Blake has had, he always gave his all & had some truly excellent performances for his country. ....apart from Serbia away. |
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I can't say too much but the facts are that Dougie Freedman signed him for Palace and is known to be a fan.