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Post by jackanapes on Jul 3, 2021 11:55:16 GMT
Doku was sensational! Could you imagine our reaction if James, Bale or Ramsey had such an impact versus the Italians - the best defenders in the world! He is only 19 isn't he. It makes the lack of impact of any of our players versus Denmark deeply regretable. I think the older players may be tempted to hold on to the world cup unfortunately for us. To have a chance of winning the group we need to win all our games before Belgium at home and lets be honest that looks unlikely? The Czechs are much better than I assumed and I now understand why they dominated us in Cardiff, while you could also see us slipping up to a draw vs Belarus away if we are not careful. The Czechs and Belgians are both very good but very beatable. They’ll always give you a chance. We need to go all out for a win against the Czechs because it essentially sets up a ‘’play-off’ against the Belgians for a World Cup spot. Ideally they’ll draw with each other again, meaning a draw would be enough in the final game. Obviously this assumes we win all the other games! |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jul 3, 2021 11:58:47 GMT
We've two chances/opportunities of qualifying for Qatar. Fail in both of those then we don't deserve to be there.
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Post by georgetm1 on Jul 5, 2021 11:18:49 GMT
Has there been any news about allowing fans in for the world cup qualifiers this September?
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Post by daearegwr on Jul 5, 2021 11:38:36 GMT
Has there been any news about allowing fans in for the world cup qualifiers this September? At home? No announcement yet and don't think they've given a date. I suppose we can see what happens with domestic football game capacity for Cardiff City and that will give us an idea of the international games. |
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Post by cynonvalley on Jul 5, 2021 12:22:34 GMT
I don't see why we wouldn't be let in for the Estonia home game.
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Post by cymro on Jul 6, 2021 7:41:20 GMT
I imagine by September we should be allowed plenty of fans in for games, if not full capacity. Not sure how long the Welsh Government will be able to keep restrictions in place if they're lifted in England and Scotland by August. Not to turn this into a political post but there will be insurmountable pressure for Wales to follow suit I feel, whether you agree with that or not.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 6, 2021 7:51:24 GMT
I imagine by September we should be allowed plenty of fans in for games, if not full capacity. Not sure how long the Welsh Government will be able to keep restrictions in place if they're lifted in England and Scotland by August. Not to turn this into a political post but there will be insurmountable pressure for Wales to follow suit I feel, whether you agree with that or not. I think Wales will need to follow suit. I don't agree with England opening up so suddenly, but if we don't follow suit our economy is at risk of being left behind without us actually receiving the benefits of lower infections and more available hospital beds. The English will cross the border in their droves to visit their holiday homes, visit pubs and visit landmarks over summer. I don't agree with us opening up but what other choice is there? We'd achieve nothing by remaining closed besides a minor moral victory for those in power. On that basis, I think there'll be no issue with our home games in September and travel to and from Estonia should be fine. I'm less confident about the other aways at this stage, but Estonia was always my priority anyway. Now, any decent direct flights available? |
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Post by derynglas on Jul 6, 2021 8:17:58 GMT
Since June 7 large gatherings,football, rugby,concerts etc have been possible to
go ahead in Wales with up to 4000 people non seated and 10000 seated.
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Post by CrackityJones on Jul 6, 2021 8:24:18 GMT
Id expect those figures to at least double in the next announcement considering how well the vaccine program has gone. Grassroots need an increase on the daft 100 maximum as well.
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Post by cymro on Jul 6, 2021 9:18:15 GMT
Since June 7 large gatherings,football, rugby,concerts etc have been possible to go ahead in Wales with up to 4000 people non seated and 10000 seated. I'd expect at least 50% capacity by 8th September as a minimum. |
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Post by welshrover on Jul 6, 2021 14:18:04 GMT
Free for all in England, full stadia beckoning.
We could play our home games at Anfield.
Maybe not after the last couple of occasions!
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Post by cadno on Jul 11, 2021 22:36:10 GMT
Chiellini and Bouncci 36 and 34. Experience.
Bring Gunter and Chester back into the line up 👍
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 11, 2021 23:37:44 GMT
Chiellini and Bouncci 36 and 34. Experience. Bring Gunter and Chester back into the line up 👍 I think Chiellini & Bonucci may bring a bit more than just experience |
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Post by cadno on Jul 11, 2021 23:39:58 GMT
Chiellini and Bouncci 36 and 34. Experience. Bring Gunter and Chester back into the line up 👍 I think Chiellini & Bonucci may bring a bit more than just experience True. Gunter and Chester too |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 12, 2021 0:00:15 GMT
I think Chiellini & Bonucci may bring a bit more than just experience True. Gunter and Chester too You're not really comparing Gunter & Chester to them are you? Chiellini & Bonucci are two of the best of their generation Gunter's not at Roberts' level whilst Chester's been hit with injuries |
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Post by cadno on Jul 12, 2021 0:08:10 GMT
True. Gunter and Chester too You're not really comparing Gunter & Chester to them are you? Chiellini & Bonucci are two of the best of their generation Gunter's not at Roberts' level whilst Chester's been hit with injuries Of course I'm not 😂 I'd say Gunter is a better defender than CR right now and better at organising the team... & Chester is the best centre back we've had in a very long time alongside Ashley Williams & Rodon, he'd bring composure and organisation too. |
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 12, 2021 8:51:52 GMT
You know what would be great?
Qualifying for the 2022 World Cup.
Let’s do it
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Post by texan on Jul 12, 2021 9:21:49 GMT
You know what would be great? Qualifying for the 2022 World Cup. Let’s do it Euros are done, clear road ahead now with another 18 months' development time for the kids. Massive summer ahead now with many needing moves, it'll be an interesting deadline day for us this year. |
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Post by robwrecsam on Jul 12, 2021 10:48:37 GMT
Remind me, we are all but guaranteed a play off place for the World Cup due to winning our nation league right?
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Post by superunknown on Jul 12, 2021 11:17:51 GMT
Remind me, we are all but guaranteed a play off place for the World Cup due to winning our nation league right? Almost certainly yes. We'd need two of France, Belgium, Italy and Spain to finish outside of the top two of their respective groups for us to not get a playoff, also assuming we don't get top two in our group. |
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Post by dai on Jul 12, 2021 12:00:45 GMT
We need to improve a LOT if we get to the WC's. I don't mind not progressing out of the group stages, as long as we give a good account of ourselves, which is something we didn't do this year.
Also we need most of our players to be playing regular, it really showed against the better sides.
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Post by kevincarter on Jul 12, 2021 12:59:41 GMT
We need to improve a LOT if we get to the WC's. I don't mind not progressing out of the group stages, as long as we give a good account of ourselves, which is something we didn't do this year. Also we need most of our players to be playing regular, it really showed against the better sides. I don't understand how some believe we were poor, or didn't show a good account of ourselves. We were placed in one of the toughest groups in the tournament and got out of the group to qualify for the knockout stages automatically! I do not see why some people are moaning at these facts. Remember, only a decade or so ago we were scraping wins against the likes of Andorra and San Marino. In 2011 we were down in 117th in the world rankings, now we are 100 places above that. That in itself shows how far we have come and how well we are doing now for the size of our nation. Yes, the ending of the tournament was disappointing, but don't let negative thoughts and opinions get in the way of facts. I completely agree with your second paragraph, however. The difference between our team being a good international outfit and a world-class, outstanding, consistent international outfit is our team getting regular domestic football. |
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 12, 2021 13:30:15 GMT
We need to improve a LOT if we get to the WC's. I don't mind not progressing out of the group stages, as long as we give a good account of ourselves, which is something we didn't do this year. Also we need most of our players to be playing regular, it really showed against the better sides. I don't understand how some believe we were poor, or didn't show a good account of ourselves. We were placed in one of the toughest groups in the tournament and got out of the group to qualify for the knockout stages automatically! I do not see why some people are moaning at these facts. Remember, only a decade or so ago we were scraping wins against the likes of Andorra and San Marino. In 2011 we were down in 117th in the world rankings, now we are 100 places above that. That in itself shows how far we have come and how well we are doing now for the size of our nation. Yes, the ending of the tournament was disappointing, but don't let negative thoughts and opinions get in the way of facts. I completely agree with your second paragraph, however. The difference between our team being a good international outfit and a world-class, outstanding, consistent international outfit is our team getting regular domestic football. We faced 3 out of the 5 best teams out if the tournament but because page got tactics wrong after 20 mins against Denmark We did great. We sadly now have tournament fans |
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Post by TheWelshWay on Jul 12, 2021 13:42:22 GMT
We need to improve a LOT if we get to the WC's. I don't mind not progressing out of the group stages, as long as we give a good account of ourselves, which is something we didn't do this year. Also we need most of our players to be playing regular, it really showed against the better sides. I'd hate to think what you think of some of the performances by other nations - we got to the last 16 through which now appears to be the hardest group of the tournament and only lost to the semi-finalists and the eventual winners. Drew a very good Swiss team and played well against a Turkey team that was well fancied. Certainly gave a good account of ourselves. We are a top 16 nation, we're not yet a top 8 nation. Yes we need to play better, but not buying this we were terrible attitude. |
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Post by cynonvalley on Jul 12, 2021 13:44:11 GMT
4-0 was tough to take. We were completely knackered at the end of the game. It's difficult when our best players haven't been playing regularly.
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Post by insertname on Jul 12, 2021 13:49:14 GMT
We need to improve a LOT if we get to the WC's. I don't mind not progressing out of the group stages, as long as we give a good account of ourselves, which is something we didn't do this year. Also we need most of our players to be playing regular, it really showed against the better sides. I'd hate to think what you think of some of the performances by other nations - we got to the last 16 through which now appears to be the hardest group of the tournament and only lost to the semi-finalists and the eventual winners. Drew a very good Swiss team and played well against a Turkey team that was well fancied. Certainly gave a good account of ourselves. We are a top 16 nation, we're not yet a top 8 nation. Yes we need to play better, but not buying this we were terrible attitude. Never mind factoring in that were badly disadvantaged by the schedule the entire time! IIRC two of Italy’s starting finalists, Chiesa and Verratti were starters from the game against us onwards (Verratti admittedly missed the start of the tournament) so in hindsight Italy’s lineup against us set the tone for their side that would end the tournament rather than the one that started it. So taking that into account, the fact we only lost 1-0, held Switzerland etc it was a decent campaign and certainly nothing to be sneezed at. |
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Post by dai on Jul 12, 2021 13:49:39 GMT
I don't understand how some believe we were poor, or didn't show a good account of ourselves. We were placed in one of the toughest groups in the tournament and got out of the group to qualify for the knockout stages automatically! I do not see why some people are moaning at these facts. Remember, only a decade or so ago we were scraping wins against the likes of Andorra and San Marino. In 2011 we were down in 117th in the world rankings, now we are 100 places above that. That in itself shows how far we have come and how well we are doing now for the size of our nation. Yes, the ending of the tournament was disappointing, but don't let negative thoughts and opinions get in the way of facts. I completely agree with your second paragraph, however. The difference between our team being a good international outfit and a world-class, outstanding, consistent international outfit is our team getting regular domestic football. We faced 3 out of the 5 best teams out if the tournament but because page got tactics wrong after 20 mins against Denmark We did great. We sadly now have tournament fans Tournament fans my arse. I've been following Wales long enough now to know what a poor account of ourselves is. We are ranked 18th in the world, yet teams below us - Czechs, Hungary, Austria, Sweden looked a step above during this tournament. The Swiss are only two places above us, yet looked in a different league - we didn't deserve to draw them in the group stages if we're being honest with ourselves. Do the rankings flatter us though? I'm really interested to see how fare in League A of the Nations League. No real expectations, but I wonder how competitive we can be. |
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Post by dai on Jul 12, 2021 13:52:25 GMT
We need to improve a LOT if we get to the WC's. I don't mind not progressing out of the group stages, as long as we give a good account of ourselves, which is something we didn't do this year. Also we need most of our players to be playing regular, it really showed against the better sides. I'd hate to think what you think of some of the performances by other nations - we got to the last 16 through which now appears to be the hardest group of the tournament and only lost to the semi-finalists and the eventual winners. Drew a very good Swiss team and played well against a Turkey team that was well fancied. Certainly gave a good account of ourselves. We are a top 16 nation, we're not yet a top 8 nation. Yes we need to play better, but not buying this we were terrible attitude. The Swiss swatted Turkey away like a fly, yet it took us until over 90mins to get the job done. For the record, I don't think we're 'terrible' in general (that would be completely daft), just we didn't give a good account of ourselves during this tournament. Only a few years ago we completely manhandled Hungary at home, we looked quite far off that sort of standard now. Looking at the games, I don't know how fit the likes of Ramsey, Bale and Allen were. Allen is usually like a metronome for us in midfield, but even he struggled. Are Denmark really a 4-0 hammering better than us? We played reasonably well against them at home a few years ago, and obviously external factors were against us, but we couldn't even touch them after the first 15 mins. |
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Post by insertname on Jul 12, 2021 13:57:49 GMT
We faced 3 out of the 5 best teams out if the tournament but because page got tactics wrong after 20 mins against Denmark We did great. We sadly now have tournament fans Tournament fans my arse. I've been following Wales long enough now to know what a poor account of ourselves is. We are ranked 18th in the world, yet teams below us - Czechs, Hungary, Austria, Sweden looked a step above during this tournament. The Swiss are only two places above us, yet looked in a different league - we didn't deserve to draw them in the group stages if we're being honest with ourselves. Do the rankings flatter us though? I'm really interested to see how fare in League A of the Nations League. No real expectations, but I wonder how competitive we can be. Sweden were in a poor group. Hungary excelled but they were aided by playing in front of 66,000 partisan fans. Austria put in one top performance against Italy, they weren’t particularly good in the group and failed to take numerous chances against that poor Ukraine side. So all in all comparing us with others is fraught with difficulty because of mitigating circumstances and the fact that all group stage groups are not equal in terms of quality. At the end of the day we can only judge our own results by what we know to be true: one of our opponents knocked France out and got to the quarter finals, the other won the whole thing and our knockout round opponents were able to play a home game against us and took their journey in the competition into extra time against the host nation. The scoreline against Denmark is the major issue I feel. If it had been a 1-0 defeat I suspect the campaign would largely be deemed a success. Let’s be fair though in terms of what everybody thought we would achieve iirc only me and allezlesrouges and manulike seemed to have any confidence we would qualify so it seems odd for people to now say we didn’t perform well when we exceeded most expectations that we would finish bottom of the group. |
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Post by TheWelshWay on Jul 12, 2021 13:58:17 GMT
I'd hate to think what you think of some of the performances by other nations - we got to the last 16 through which now appears to be the hardest group of the tournament and only lost to the semi-finalists and the eventual winners. Drew a very good Swiss team and played well against a Turkey team that was well fancied. Certainly gave a good account of ourselves. We are a top 16 nation, we're not yet a top 8 nation. Yes we need to play better, but not buying this we were terrible attitude. The Swiss swatted Turkey away like a fly, yet it took us until over 90mins to get the job done. For the record, I don't we're terrible in general, but we didn't give a good account of ourselves during this tournament. Only a year and a bit ago we completely manhandled Hungary at home, we looked quite far off that sort of standard imo. Looking at the games, I don't know how fit the likes of Ramsey, Bale and Allen were. Allen is usually like a metronome for us in midfield, but even he struggled. What would it have taken for us to have given a good account of ourselves then? 1-1 draw with the swiss, but played better? Lose 2-0 aginst Denmark by keeping it tight? Denmark were better than us and have been for some time, accept it.
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