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Post by zakbaby on Jan 6, 2013 14:34:47 GMT
why not play ginge up front against the jocks? could play the big target man role in what would be a physical battle up north. 2 goals against man utd and at least he couldnt give away a penalty or poor back pass from up there. Better option than morison.with j.williams and bale on the wings he would be a great asset in the box.why not try it? We're not going to qualify now so lets experiment
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Post by welshwizard79 on Jan 6, 2013 15:21:52 GMT
Collins had virtually zero credit or acknowledgement for those well taken goals. It was all about Joe Cole who did this magical thing called crossing the ball into the box?! Ridiculous. Umm......Collins was given Man of the Match by the ITV summariser wasn't he? ;D The highlights I saw he didn't even get mentioned by his manager in the after game interview. I must have turned over to quickly. A few people on twitter saying the same though. Oh well glad he got man of the match. |
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 6, 2013 15:47:09 GMT
Its possibly not the stupidest idea in the world. Collins fucks up and gifts the opposition a goal every time he plays in defence for us... a mistake or two shouldn't be so costly up top, and its not like we've got any other strikers in form at the moment. Will be good for defending at set pieces etc too...mmm...food for thought for Cookie vs Austria perhaps?
As an aside, Joe Cole looks like he's at home again for West Ham, but if you remember when he went to Liverpool virtually every pundit and footie journalist was falling over themsleves to describe it as the perfect move for both him and Liverpool. The one dissenting voice I can remember who wasn't convinced? John Toshack. Turns out he was right.
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Post by abwales on Jan 6, 2013 16:11:11 GMT
No he should not play up front... he is a defender and easily one of our top 2 central defenders and therefore should be starting in the position even if he is a clumsy error prone bastard.
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Post by idiot on Jan 6, 2013 16:36:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 17:42:30 GMT
And to think I got slaughtered for suggesting trying king as a striker...Jesus wept.
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Post by cilmeri on Jan 6, 2013 18:25:41 GMT
Apparently John Charles was known to start games up front, score a goal then revert to CB to secure the win. He was some player.
Collins is not the new Charles.
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Post by teflnomad on Jan 6, 2013 20:41:18 GMT
Hi Folks, Don't know if I'm doing this right, but what the hell. I've been an avid reader of the forum for quite a while and have finally taken the plunge to join you. I think it's fantastic that so much passion about Welsh soccer is displayed here, and although we may have seriously differing views on various aspects of the state of our nation's footballing prowess (or otherwise) it seems to me that generally, people on the forum have agreed to disagree agreeably, which has to be a healthy state of affairs. I think I heard a while back that Collins started life as a centre forward. Can anyone confirm that please? Thanks.
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Post by georgetm1 on Jan 6, 2013 21:04:53 GMT
To tell you the truth, that isn't the craziest of ideas, but he would have to be behind the main striker. But I can't see him being any good at shooting.
Welcome to the forum Teflnomad.
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Post by Tim P on Jan 6, 2013 21:14:09 GMT
Absolutely a non starter. It would be like playing with nine outfield players.
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Post by Tim P on Jan 6, 2013 21:14:27 GMT
Hi Folks, Don't know if I'm doing this right, but what the hell. I've been an avid reader of the forum for quite a while and have finally taken the plunge to join you. I think it's fantastic that so much passion about Welsh soccer is displayed here, and although we may have seriously differing views on various aspects of the state of our nation's footballing prowess (or otherwise) it seems to me that generally, people on the forum have agreed to disagree agreeably, which has to be a healthy state of affairs. I think I heard a while back that Collins started life as a centre forward. Can anyone confirm that please? Thanks. Welcome! Croeso! |
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Post by idiot on Jan 6, 2013 21:22:29 GMT
how would he hold the ball up for us with his two left feet?we cant stick him up there on the basis he's big and scored a couple of goals surely?
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 6, 2013 22:11:43 GMT
Hi Folks, Don't know if I'm doing this right, but what the hell. I've been an avid reader of the forum for quite a while and have finally taken the plunge to join you. I think it's fantastic that so much passion about Welsh soccer is displayed here, and although we may have seriously differing views on various aspects of the state of our nation's footballing prowess (or otherwise) it seems to me that generally, people on the forum have agreed to disagree agreeably, which has to be a healthy state of affairs. I think I heard a while back that Collins started life as a centre forward. Can anyone confirm that please? Thanks. Welcome to the board. Yep, I think Collins did play up front for Cardiff a few times as a youngster. Particularly in the Welsh premier cup perhaps? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 22:12:30 GMT
how would he hold the ball up for us with his two left feet?we cant stick him up there on the basis he's big and scored a couple of goals surely? That seems to be the logic. The role of target man has been boiled down on this forum to just require a big stature and the ability to score a couple of goals a season with your head. |
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Post by zakbaby on Jan 7, 2013 3:03:52 GMT
how would he hold the ball up for us with his two left feet?we cant stick him up there on the basis he's big and scored a couple of goals surely? While thats a valid point,we seem to keep sticking with morison who cant hold the ball up or score either.So why not? |
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Post by llannerch on Jan 7, 2013 20:27:17 GMT
Not for me.
Though he'd be no worse than Jermaine Easter
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 21:46:42 GMT
Not for me. Though he'd be no worse than Jermaine Easter Thats like winning the ubiquitous 'tallest dwarf' competition. |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Jan 8, 2013 14:23:06 GMT
Im sure I remember him playing up front for Wales v England U20s some years ago and Tosh moved him up front against Rep Ire when we were 2-0 down in Croke Park if memory serves.
He scored in his league debut game for Cardiff aginst Derby years back and fans talked about him playing up front then.
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 20, 2013 15:44:56 GMT
It's not just Bale who has not trained but Collins also.
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Post by njdragon on Mar 20, 2013 17:01:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2013 18:56:25 GMT
nah.....he's still a cart horse.
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Post by hookd on Mar 23, 2013 16:58:57 GMT
What happened to Collins? Whatever you say about him, he is good at defending set pieces, something that has been a massive weakness for us. We also need his aggression (albeit we all realise he takes this too far at times with costly repercussions!).
Would probably have Collins in and move Ricketts in place of Gunter - Ricketts in not a central defender (as we saw from their goal) but gives his all and is more reliable than Gunter. Gunter is a poor defender at the moment - he completely missed 2 headers with nowhere near him last night and looks uncomfortable when attacked. He may be good going forward, but his first responsibility is to defend. Would also note his lack of quality on the ball, as his final pass/cross is usually not accurate enough.
Strange how we have 3 premiership players in the back 4 (usually) but always looks so shaky in defence. God help us if Ashley Williams picks up an injury.
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Post by alarch on Mar 23, 2013 17:08:12 GMT
Agreed, although I would go for Richards ahead of Ricketts at right back. A bit of a gamble perhaps - but then again playing Joniesta was a gamble. Richards should fit in with the possession game far better than either Gunter or Ricketts.
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 23, 2013 23:23:27 GMT
Isnt Richards a left back?
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Post by llannerch on Mar 24, 2013 9:39:39 GMT
Was Collins injured or just overlooked?
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Post by toshfan on Mar 24, 2013 12:47:02 GMT
Was Collins injured or just overlooked? I think it was tactical. |
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 24, 2013 14:03:47 GMT
Leaving out Collins is a strange decision if its not injury related.
My guess is that Collins can only play one game and Coleman decided we need him more on tuesday.
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Post by llannerch on Mar 24, 2013 14:17:44 GMT
Had Fletcher not gone off so early he could have given Ricketts a torrid time. Ricketts hardly did well with the 'aerial' challenge of Hanley for the goal
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Post by toshfan on Mar 24, 2013 17:57:58 GMT
I agree with Llannerch. Considering that our best player was still carrying a virus, Fletcher going off hurt Scotland more than our loss of SuperBale.
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Post by njdragon on Mar 24, 2013 18:04:26 GMT
when i read Ricketts and Gunter on team sheet in their positions i though FFS
Whilst ricketts can do a decent job when we have a lack of options at CB, he is certainly not the answer. We should not be playing people out of position ike this, and against stronger teams this will be our downfall.
Against Croatia we have no other option apart from Collins but i would play Ricketts at right back over Gunter.
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