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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2013 18:17:12 GMT
when i read Ricketts and Gunter on team sheet in their positions i though FFS Whilst ricketts can do a decent job when we have a lack of options at CB, he is certainly not the answer. We should not be playing people out of position ike this, and against stronger teams this will be our downfall. Against Croatia we have no other option apart from Collins but i would play Ricketts at right back over Gunter. Have you given Coleman any credit for that win? I can understand not exactly being enthused about the home game over the Scots- but fairs fair, the last couple of games we look very much improved, and if it's all his fault when we lose then it must be down to him when we win? Yet you still seem to be looking to find fault where you can with Coleman without at least acknowledging that he has got some things right, give the guy a break! |
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Post by njdragon on Mar 24, 2013 18:22:52 GMT
when i read Ricketts and Gunter on team sheet in their positions i though FFS Whilst ricketts can do a decent job when we have a lack of options at CB, he is certainly not the answer. We should not be playing people out of position ike this, and against stronger teams this will be our downfall. Against Croatia we have no other option apart from Collins but i would play Ricketts at right back over Gunter. Have you given Coleman any credit for that win? I can understand not exactly being enthused about the home game over the Scots- but fairs fair, the last couple of games we look very much improved, and if it's all his fault when we lose then it must be down to him when we win? Yet you still seem to be looking to find fault where you can with Coleman without at least acknowledging that he has got some things right, give the guy a break! Jesus Storm on the happy pills today are you? I don't think i'm being overly critical in saying Ricketts isn't our long term centre back solution. Coleman did well Friday, as did the team - happy now?  |
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Post by toshfan on Mar 24, 2013 18:23:12 GMT
Thanks storm for that brilliant posting
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Post by njdragon on Mar 24, 2013 18:25:22 GMT
Thanks storm for that brilliant posting sarcasm?? |
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Post by toshfan on Mar 24, 2013 18:29:16 GMT
Thanks storm for that brilliant posting sarcasm?? I apologise to all, especially to you and Storm, if it came across that way. The posting was in response to the one from Storm but obviously got crossed with yours so it appeared to me responding to yours. Was not being sarcastic but did agree with Storm. A number of people who have been negative about Coleman should be providing that bit more acknowledgement at the moment. At least you have accepted that he deserves credit. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2013 18:32:49 GMT
It's a start I suppose! I feel bad for Coleman, he's had some horrendous personal abuse from Wales fans and now he is finally turning a corner people are slow to give him credit when if we had lost they would be quick to fire more vitriol at him.
As I have said elsewhere it was far from perfect, but the passing and control of the game bodes well for the future- and he got the subs right, which was crucial to keep morale up after losing bale. He should be acknowledged for that at least.
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Post by njdragon on Mar 24, 2013 18:34:25 GMT
Credit where it's due, he got a good result against scotland away and a good performance.
I dont see Ricketts as our long term CB option, thats all i was saying. I was worried when i saw him on the team sheet alongside Williams.
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Post by welshiron on Sept 5, 2013 9:03:38 GMT
Has he been called up or does the article on Dragonsoccer have it wrong.
Hope he has and would have him on the bench for both games and see how his attitude is, however if Williams or Gabbidon aren't available for either game I would have him back in the side ahead of Ricketts
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Post by welshiron on Sept 11, 2013 8:33:12 GMT
When I read he turned down a call up I was angry, however giving it some thought I don't blame him.
His performances for Wales haven't been great but there is a reason he has been a premiership regular for years.
Over the last 2 campaigns he has been dropped for Darcy Blake ( who wasn't even a championship player) and then Sam Ricketts (a full back from league 1)
Whilst he hasn't helped himself at times I can see where he is coming from and it is all down to bad management.
Finally, when Collins said no why did Lynch not get called up or even another call to Ben Turner (yes we are that desperate)
This led to a teenager playing out of position and a young right back at left back, 2 changes instead of 1
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Post by dai on Sept 11, 2013 9:10:37 GMT
Spot on. Even though I feel Collins has conducted himself badly a few times when associated with Wales, the blame is mostly on Coleman for this Toshack-esque man management. As you said, choosing other less capable players over a week in week out solid premiership CB - madness.
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Post by raptor on Sept 11, 2013 10:44:52 GMT
We need a manager that commands unconditional respect.
I doubt the FAW would pay for one.
Coleman does look a rookie and may possibly if given the chance develop into a decent manager but he'll never get the respect of the players.
I feel he's the unintentional buffer appointment that was needed as part of getting over Gary Speed.
The next manager will not have the Gery Speed effect to deal with, all in all Coleman is on a loser.
With a distinct lack of forward options added into the mix I tend to feel a bit sorry for Coleman.
You tend to win matches if you have a couple of decent poachers but if all your strength is in midfield then your up against things.
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Post by cymruunedig on Sept 11, 2013 10:46:07 GMT
Disagree. Between the passport, tactical stupidity and woeful personnel selections I'm not going to defend Coleman much after the past week, however he's right regarding Collins. James Collins didn't play last night because he doesn't give a monkeys about Wales. He's let down every Welsh manager of the past decade with constant withdrawals, not just Coleman. Coleman needs his players turning up for every game, not when they fancy it. He was never going to play in Skopje (too far, too foreign, too hot, who knows why, he must love the West Ham training ground), but as soon as it was obvious that Ash Williams and Ricketts weren't going to play against Serbia he should have been on the phone to Coleman, making himself available and proving his commitment to the cause. Instead he turned down a call up on the grounds of being psychologically disappointed. What a complete and utter muppet.
I very much doubt he watched the game last night (playing xbox at Stewart Downing's perhaps), but I hope that he felt ashamed at watching a makeshift pairing of Gabbidon and Ben Davies try and keep out the Serbians. There is much to criticise Coleman over these two games but his handling of Collins is correct, Wales shouldn't bow down to anyone, especially the heartless meathead that is Calamity Collins
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Post by raptor on Sept 11, 2013 10:50:56 GMT
Disagree. Between the passport, tactical stupidity and woeful personnel selections I'm not going to defend Coleman much after the past week, however he's right regarding Collins. James Collins didn't play last night because he doesn't give a monkeys about Wales. He's let down every Welsh manager of the past decade with constant withdrawals, not just Coleman. Coleman needs his players turning up for every game, not when they fancy it. He was never going to play in Skopje (too far, too foreign, too hot, who knows why, he must love the West Ham training ground), but as soon as it was obvious that Ash Williams and Ricketts weren't going to play against Serbia he should have been on the phone to Coleman, making himself available and proving his commitment to the cause. Instead he turned down a call up on the grounds of being psychologically disappointed. What a complete and utter muppet. I very much doubt he watched the game last night (playing xbox at Stewart Downing's perhaps), but I hope that he felt ashamed at watching a makeshift pairing of Gabbidon and Ben Davies try and keep out the Serbians. There is much to criticise Coleman over these two games but his handling of Collins is correct, Wales shouldn't bow down to anyone, especially the heartless meathead that is Calamity Collins Yep, good post. |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Sept 11, 2013 12:26:03 GMT
Disagree. Between the passport, tactical stupidity and woeful personnel selections I'm not going to defend Coleman much after the past week, however he's right regarding Collins. James Collins didn't play last night because he doesn't give a monkeys about Wales. He's let down every Welsh manager of the past decade with constant withdrawals, not just Coleman. Coleman needs his players turning up for every game, not when they fancy it. He was never going to play in Skopje (too far, too foreign, too hot, who knows why, he must love the West Ham training ground), but as soon as it was obvious that Ash Williams and Ricketts weren't going to play against Serbia he should have been on the phone to Coleman, making himself available and proving his commitment to the cause. Instead he turned down a call up on the grounds of being psychologically disappointed. What a complete and utter muppet. I very much doubt he watched the game last night (playing xbox at Stewart Downing's perhaps), but I hope that he felt ashamed at watching a makeshift pairing of Gabbidon and Ben Davies try and keep out the Serbians. There is much to criticise Coleman over these two games but his handling of Collins is correct, Wales shouldn't bow down to anyone, especially the heartless meathead that is Calamity Collins Yep, good post. Well said |
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Post by alarch on Sept 11, 2013 12:42:14 GMT
Disagree. Between the passport, tactical stupidity and woeful personnel selections I'm not going to defend Coleman much after the past week, however he's right regarding Collins. James Collins didn't play last night because he doesn't give a monkeys about Wales. He's let down every Welsh manager of the past decade with constant withdrawals, not just Coleman. Coleman needs his players turning up for every game, not when they fancy it. He was never going to play in Skopje (too far, too foreign, too hot, who knows why, he must love the West Ham training ground), but as soon as it was obvious that Ash Williams and Ricketts weren't going to play against Serbia he should have been on the phone to Coleman, making himself available and proving his commitment to the cause. Instead he turned down a call up on the grounds of being psychologically disappointed. What a complete and utter muppet. I very much doubt he watched the game last night (playing xbox at Stewart Downing's perhaps), but I hope that he felt ashamed at watching a makeshift pairing of Gabbidon and Ben Davies try and keep out the Serbians. There is much to criticise Coleman over these two games but his handling of Collins is correct, Wales shouldn't bow down to anyone, especially the heartless meathead that is Calamity Collins Yep, good post. Spot on. |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 11, 2013 12:45:43 GMT
Maybe he has the same attitude as the Cardiff and Swansea fans who clearly don't give a shit about the national team.
If so, do we say to those fans we don't want you anymore if we start winning.
Collins needs to make a statement as to why he didn't show up
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Post by Tim P on Sept 11, 2013 16:28:11 GMT
Disagree. Between the passport, tactical stupidity and woeful personnel selections I'm not going to defend Coleman much after the past week, however he's right regarding Collins. James Collins didn't play last night because he doesn't give a monkeys about Wales. He's let down every Welsh manager of the past decade with constant withdrawals, not just Coleman. Coleman needs his players turning up for every game, not when they fancy it. He was never going to play in Skopje (too far, too foreign, too hot, who knows why, he must love the West Ham training ground), but as soon as it was obvious that Ash Williams and Ricketts weren't going to play against Serbia he should have been on the phone to Coleman, making himself available and proving his commitment to the cause. Instead he turned down a call up on the grounds of being psychologically disappointed. What a complete and utter muppet. I very much doubt he watched the game last night (playing xbox at Stewart Downing's perhaps), but I hope that he felt ashamed at watching a makeshift pairing of Gabbidon and Ben Davies try and keep out the Serbians. There is much to criticise Coleman over these two games but his handling of Collins is correct, Wales shouldn't bow down to anyone, especially the heartless meathead that is Calamity Collins Absolutely spot on. Fuck James Collins. And in no way shape or form should Ben Turner ever be called again. He was offered the chance, he turned it down. End. |
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Post by squatter1 on Sept 11, 2013 17:32:56 GMT
Especially given our dire defensive options, it's Coleman's job to heal the rift with Collins and he failed.
Naming and shaming him in the post match interview only makes Coleman look bad because he ignored him in the initial call up.
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Post by njdragon on Sept 11, 2013 19:45:07 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 11, 2013 19:45:20 GMT
The plot thickens....http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24057217
did Coleman lie? surely he should be sacked/resign if so.
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 11, 2013 19:46:17 GMT
"Following reports in the media today, I feel obliged to set the record straight as it has been wrongly suggested that I refused to play for my country against Serbia on the 10th Sept 2013," said Collins' statement.
"Had I been asked I would have gladly joined up with my team-mates and represented my country.
"I did have a conversation with Chris to try to seek clarification on why I had been left out of the initial squad for both the Macedonia and the Serbia matches. But at no stage did I state that I would refuse to play for Wales.
"I am proud to come from Wales and even prouder to pull on the red shirt of my country so the suggestion that I would ever refuse to play for them is plainly wrong."
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 11, 2013 19:47:51 GMT
If Coleman lied then I don't see how he can stay in his job.
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Post by njdragon on Sept 11, 2013 19:52:20 GMT
This past week or so has been farcical!
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Post by stu on Sept 11, 2013 19:54:18 GMT
If Collins had played we'd have lost by even more.
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Post by njdragon on Sept 11, 2013 19:58:10 GMT
A back 4 of mathews, collins, gabbidon, davies all played in position seems quite strong compared to last nights
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Post by squatter1 on Sept 11, 2013 20:01:06 GMT
Oh dear this looks bad. He's calling Coleman out.
You can't knock the statement mind - if he says he's up for it you've got to assume that's how he feels. To any outsider it must be just ludicrous he's not playing when we've got shit all else, same as when Fletcher wasn't playing for Scotland and they had diddly to choose from either.
I add - this actually cheers me up. Hopefully Collins will be part of the squad for the next qualifiers whether Coleman is or not.
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Post by bale-droed on Sept 11, 2013 20:10:52 GMT
I totally believe James Collins!
could be some bitter feud from maybe collins was a stroppy apprentice at wales learning off coleman or something like that and colemans held a grudge?
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Post by bale-droed on Sept 11, 2013 20:11:15 GMT
Also this reminds me oster and toshack!
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Post by njdragon on Sept 11, 2013 20:17:43 GMT
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Post by dai on Sept 11, 2013 20:30:54 GMT
Oh dear oh dear, when Coleman issued his statement about Collins I smelled bullshit, and now it's been confirmed. What a bloody mess. Even if Collins can be a 'liability', which 50% of the squad can be, I'd much rather a week in week out premier league starter in our team. Can't believe how farcical it's been recently for Welsh football.
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