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Post by njdragon on Sept 16, 2013 18:30:47 GMT
I'm sorry, you're being a bit naive hear in putting so much faith in Collins' statement. It was so carefully worded I'd be amazed if it wasn't written with legal advice. All it states that he didn't refuse to play for Wales. But it's quite possible he gave every impression of not wanting to play for Wales in the double header without explicitly saying so. There are plenty of reasons to be unhappy with Coleman, and there's no doubt that his post-match comments were intended to deflect attention from the display, but fundamentally I'm with Coleman on this one. The bottom line is that Coleman would have wanted Collins in the squad at least, so the fact that he fails to turn up must be down to a spat between the two. The Western Mail understands that a member of Coleman’s backroom team attempted to contact Collins at the weekend, but there was no answer so a message was left on his mobile phone |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 17, 2013 8:16:26 GMT
I'm sorry, you're being a bit naive hear in putting so much faith in Collins' statement. It was so carefully worded I'd be amazed if it wasn't written with legal advice. All it states that he didn't refuse to play for Wales. But it's quite possible he gave every impression of not wanting to play for Wales in the double header without explicitly saying so. There are plenty of reasons to be unhappy with Coleman, and there's no doubt that his post-match comments were intended to deflect attention from the display, but fundamentally I'm with Coleman on this one. The bottom line is that Coleman would have wanted Collins in the squad at least, so the fact that he fails to turn up must be down to a spat between the two. The Western Mail understands that a member of Coleman’s backroom team attempted to contact Collins at the weekend, but there was no answer so a message was left on his mobile phone That's okay then, was Coleman too busy to ring, this just gets worse and worse for Coleman. |
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Post by luke on Sept 17, 2013 15:21:23 GMT
Collins involved in another West Ham clean sheet on Sunday, (although he missed their chance to win the game) and basically was a rock. But obviously, despite these facts some people joke that we'd "concede more" if he started ahead of Sam Ricketts or Gabbidon. Based on our recent results I would simply keep picking and starting Collins until the errors stop, IF he wants to play. He and Coleman need to somehow bury the hatchet and start afresh. Maybe that isn't possible, but it'd be nice to move on from the dispute.
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Post by llannerch on Sept 24, 2013 12:15:07 GMT
The Western Mail understands that a member of Coleman’s backroom team attempted to contact Collins at the weekend, but there was no answer so a message was left on his mobile phone That's okay then, was Coleman too busy to ring, this just gets worse and worse for Coleman. Petty from welshiron here |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 24, 2013 12:36:06 GMT
That's okay then, was Coleman too busy to ring, this just gets worse and worse for Coleman. Petty from welshiron here What do you mean petty. If a player is dropped by a manager and was then needed by the same manager I would of thought that manager might make the effort to phone the player himself. This applies at any level of sport |
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Post by llannerch on Sept 25, 2013 11:50:17 GMT
"Coleman was too busy to ring". Really? I imagine Coleman as Manager/Head Coach delegates all sorts of tasks to his team during international camp. That's what a boss does in all walks of life and at all levels of sport. In fact I imagine Allardyce does it at West Ham as well. What are the armies of support and back up staff there to do otherwise? If Collins is too precious to return a phone call to an assistant then it would be further proof of his preciousness about his place in the Wales squad.
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Post by welshiron on Sept 25, 2013 14:20:07 GMT
I'm sorry but if I was playing for someone and was told I wasn't needed by the manager, I would personally be pissed off if he didn't take one minute to phone me up to say I was now needed.
Which ever side of the fence you sit with this it is a total shambles and like all other FAW problems has been swept under the carpet and the press have done nothing about it.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Sept 25, 2013 14:52:55 GMT
"Coleman was too busy to ring". Really? I imagine Coleman as Manager/Head Coach delegates all sorts of tasks to his team during international camp. That's what a boss does in all walks of life and at all levels of sport. In fact I imagine Allardyce does it at West Ham as well. What are the armies of support and back up staff there to do otherwise? If Collins is too precious to return a phone call to an assistant then it would be further proof of his preciousness about his place in the Wales squad. Spot on. |
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Post by luke on Sept 26, 2013 9:13:06 GMT
I don't see this as a support Coleman or support Collins situation. I actually sympathise with Coleman, because of the way Collins' statement is so carefully worded.
The issue I have is that the two should try and come to terms and move forward, because when we have an EPL player (or equivalent other European league player) no stone should be left unturned in getting them to play.
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Post by texan on Sept 26, 2013 9:24:21 GMT
I don't see this as a support Coleman or support Collins situation. I actually sympathise with Coleman, because of the way Collins' statement is so carefully worded. The issue I have is that the two should try and come to terms and move forward, because when we have an EPL player (or equivalent other European league player) no stone should be left unturned in getting them to play. I do sympathise with Coleman's frustrations over Collins to a large extent, but I'm not sure he did the right thing in sounding Collins out publicly like he did. I completely agree that you need your entire squad on-side to be successful, even if some of your players are kn0bs. Express your dissatisfaction of them, question their commitment, call them out on it absolutely, but do it in-house, behind closed doors...not in front of a camera. If I was him I'd head down to West Ham's training ground, have an honest chat over a coffee together, clear the air and shake hands...get over it and move on, Wales is bigger than this cr@p, we don't need it. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Oct 4, 2013 8:56:38 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Oct 4, 2013 10:55:32 GMT
Just a complete and utter farce, I personally don't care who is to blame all I know is
1. We are without what should be a first choice player
2. Coleman will not ring Collins (which appears part of the problem in the first place)
My take is Collins was left a message to join up with the squad and probably got the impression he was going to be on the bench whilst either rickets or Davies played with Gabbidon. When the question was who should have been playing with Collins
Niether person comes out of this well and we are left weakened as a nation as a result
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Post by toshfan on Oct 4, 2013 11:25:28 GMT
Just a complete and utter farce, I personally don't care who is to blame all I know is 1. We are without what should be a first choice player 2. Coleman will not ring Collins (which appears part of the problem in the first place) My take is Collins was left a message to join up with the squad and probably got the impression he was going to be on the bench whilst either rickets or Davies played with Gabbidon. When the question was who should have been playing with Collins Niether person comes out of this well and we are left weakened as a nation as a result From what I read on twitter this morning, Coleman did indeed make efforts to contact the player. |
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Post by yanto on Oct 4, 2013 11:51:23 GMT
if Collins didn't fancy it cos h might be on the bench then he has no place with us anyway - that's the same bollox as savage used to say when other 'inferior' players were in front of him. However, cookies comments mean that he is calling Collins a liar. Now if Collins is telling the truth I would take him to court.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 4, 2013 11:57:33 GMT
Both of them have been careful with their wording, he didn't accuse Collins of lying just said he thought Collins had got it wrong.
Like I said a mess all round
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2013 13:20:12 GMT
Collins is the one who stated h would never turn down a chance to represent Wales, being on the bench is part and parcel of being a team player so if Coleman tried to contact him and he ignored it then Collins is the liar.
Personal I expected nothing less of Collins and he is better off nowhere near the squad if that is his attitude.
I just hope that when Coleman is gone that Collins also stays gone. He is another feckless waster in the Koumas mould.
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Post by biwmares on Oct 4, 2013 13:35:56 GMT
This matter whoever is to blame either Coleman or Collins it should never be conducted in the public arena it should be conducted in private.
But Coleman does have previous form in this, it seems to be ways things are done with this regime.
A certain member of his team also uses bad judgement in his idiotic comments to the media about a team who's supporters just happen to make up the vast majority of the Welsh fans.
If you are part of a national setup you must be impartial.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2013 20:35:45 GMT
Press Association are reporting that Chris Coleman is to meet James Collins tomorrow in Cardiff.
Everyone Happy with that?
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Post by wirralwelsh on Oct 8, 2013 20:43:16 GMT
I hope someone's there to take minutes, just in case there's any misunderstanding over exactly what was said by whom.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2013 20:46:54 GMT
Chris Coleman will meet James Collins tomorrow.
West Ham defender called the Wales manager today and asked for a face-to-face meeting.
Fair play with Collins would have been easy for him to leave it there. Big of him considering the problems we are facing.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 8, 2013 20:48:03 GMT
Yes how could anybody not be happy with that, we may now have two CBs in the squad lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 20:59:00 GMT
Wow, if true that Collins called this meeting then he will have gone up 100% in my estimation. I could imagine Coleman contacting him and Collins telling him to fuck off.
I still don't quite believe it though. Collins doesn't strike me as a player with a love of international football. Why would he get in touch with the manager when we are on for a hiding when it would be far easier for him to stay at home and watch us get hammered?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 20:59:23 GMT
Wow, if true that Collins called this meeting then he will have gone up 100% in my estimation. I could imagine Coleman contacting him and Collins telling him to fuck off.
I still don't quite believe it though. Collins doesn't strike me as a player with a love of international football. Why would he get in touch with the manager when we are on for a hiding when it would be far easier for him to stay at home and watch us get hammered?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 21:05:39 GMT
Yeah he'll have gone up in my estimation as well if this is true, fair play to him.
We're desperate for CBs at the moment and having Collins will give us a little bit of hope for a better result on friday night.
Gunter Collins Wilson Taylor or something like that?
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2013 21:07:43 GMT
Was going to be a Gunter and Tudor Jones CB partnership apparently, yes that bad!
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Post by squatter1 on Oct 8, 2013 21:40:14 GMT
Why would he get in touch with the manager when we are on for a hiding when it would be far easier for him to stay at home and watch us get hammered? Because perhaps he's not the treacherous quisling Wales-hater you paint him for? |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Oct 8, 2013 21:53:33 GMT
Please don't mess this up Coleman. We need Collins badly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 21:59:41 GMT
Why would he get in touch with the manager when we are on for a hiding when it would be far easier for him to stay at home and watch us get hammered? Because perhaps he's not the treacherous quisling Wales-hater you paint him for? How many caps in how many years? |
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Post by squatter1 on Oct 8, 2013 22:12:45 GMT
Because perhaps he's not the treacherous quisling Wales-hater you paint him for? How many caps in how many years? 41 caps in nine years, third highest in current squad after Bellamy and Ricketts. I fail to see how this is evidence of treachery. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Oct 8, 2013 22:27:01 GMT
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