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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 23:14:51 GMT
"Also disagree with the statement "Collins along with Bale, Ramsey and Ash Williams are now our most important players I'd say. We can live without others (incl Allen at the mo), but we can't adequately replace any of these four." If we are to achieve anything at all in the next campaign we need a team of consistent quality. It's no good having 4 star names (if Collins is that...). In that respect the regular availability of Allen, Joniesta, Davies and Taylor are absolutely essential if we are to succeed." I just think that's crazy talk. If Allen is unavailable we have Ledley/Collison/King/Crofts/Vaughan who can all come in. Allen is not performing at a level vastly above these players at the moment. If Taylor (that bench warmer at Swansea) or Davies is unavailable we have John/Dummett/Matthews/Isgrove who can all come in. Even Ledley played left back for Palace last week. However... If Bale isn't available, we have absolutely nothing in the same class/position to come in. Robson Kanu? Has he even started a single game in the championship this season? How many goals did Bale score in the last campaign? Who was the next-nearest highest scorer? Ditto Ramsey. Ditto Collins. (care to name who you think should be playing CB instead of him btw?) Ditto Ash Williams. Since when has Lloyd Isgrove been a full back? he's a winger isn't he? Joe Allen is head and shoulder above those other players although they're good options. His performance vs Finland proved how valuable he is and will be. Obviously we haven't got another player in the same class as Bale in his position but it's not really about that it's about how we can still win as a team, Jonny Williams and Aaron Ramsey have enough class to change games too. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 23:21:06 GMT
I'd argue that at the moment our "most important/influential" players are:
Hennessey,
Williams,
Ramsey,
Bale.
Although these players strengthen the team a lot:
Davies,
Allen,
Joniesta,
Ledley,
Collins,
As we all know we have a lot of options at full back and CB's are lacking.
There are plenty of promising U21 players too.
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Post by cardibach on Aug 28, 2014 11:31:05 GMT
From BBC Sport:
West Ham defender James Collins withdraws from the Wales squad for their first European Championship qualifier against Andorra on 9 September.
The 31-year-old has a hamstring injury and is replaced by Newcastle United's Paul Dummett.
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Post by nathan1710 on Aug 28, 2014 11:42:09 GMT
It makes sense him pulling out because of the surface they will be playing on. At his age it wouldn't be great for his knees to play on 3G or 4G whatever it is.
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Post by dayoo87 on Aug 28, 2014 12:19:46 GMT
Disappointed Collins is injured, but agree that even if it passes the Fifa inspection the surface probably won't be very forgiving for anyone carrying a knock or strain.
Positives:
1. An early display of our new-found strength in depth in defence, at least compared to the a few years ago;
2. Dummett appears to be committed to us, otherwise he'd be unlikely to put himself on the stand-by list;
3. Even though I agree with the majority that Dummett probably should have made the initial squad ahead of Ricketts, I think it's good to see that Coleman isn't capping anyone for the sake of it but selecting on merit (even if the decision is questionable)
4. It allows Chester/Williams to get a game together before the tougher tests in Oct/Nov without the risk of Collins having a tantrum
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 28, 2014 12:49:13 GMT
For Andorra Collins' absense shouldn't weaken us- Chester is better on the ball anyway and we should see a lot more of the ball than Andorra.
I just feel like when it comes to Bosnia and Djeko, we may need Collins to deal with the aerial threat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 13:26:16 GMT
For Andorra Collins' absense shouldn't weaken us- Chester is better on the ball anyway and we should see a lot more of the ball than Andorra. I just feel like when it comes to Bosnia and Djeko, we may need Collins to deal with the aerial threat. I was thinking exactly the same but I still wonder if the risk of a red card overshadows an aerial edge. |
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Post by quetzal on Aug 28, 2014 15:29:03 GMT
I think Collins pulled out because Coleman told him he won't start.
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Post by caeboy on Aug 28, 2014 16:30:48 GMT
What are the chances of Collins picking up a hamstring injury in the 12hours or so since the squad was announced?
On a positive note Dummett could have reacted badly to being left out of the original squad (particularly when Ricketts was picked) but doesn't seem to have.
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Post by welshwizard79 on Aug 28, 2014 20:05:10 GMT
James Collins' record for withdrawing from Welsh squads is really poor fair play.
Good job we have the likes of Ash and Gunter. Dedicated.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2014 11:55:56 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Oct 8, 2014 12:18:28 GMT
One in the eye for all his critics
Also, shows no problems in the camp
Would expect Allen and Ramsey to at least be at the games
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Post by dai on Oct 8, 2014 12:26:34 GMT
People have obviously been very uneducated regarding his pull out. I wasn't surprised he pulled out given his recent injury problems. I'll retweet that for all the Collins haters!
People should focus more on someone like Allen, who has in my opinion, missed FAR to many games in his Wales career.
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Post by abwales on Oct 8, 2014 12:34:13 GMT
Yes... lets all say its one in the eye of the critics, or that people are uneducated after his pull out... but if he didn't have the reputation, no one would say anything! No sympathy at all.
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Post by alarch on Oct 8, 2014 14:07:17 GMT
That's very encouraging to see. It certainly helps to dispel the suspicion (understandable after his issues with Coleman in the last campaign) that he's not committed to the cause. Collins could yet play an important part in this campaign - starting with Belgium at home.
Can't accept the implication that Allen is missing games he could play in. He's just been unlucky with injuries, end of story. There's no question in my mind that he's fully committed to the cause. Remember how he played out in Serbia when he wasn't fully recovered from illness - it showed in his performance, but you can't doubt his commitment.
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Post by yanto on Oct 8, 2014 14:15:57 GMT
bored of the Collins haters - good welsh player committed to the cause. Hope he does not read any of the crap written about him by his compatriots.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2014 14:21:29 GMT
no implication he's missing games he could play in just would be nice to see ramsey and allen meet up with the squad too. Would be a boost to see them there regardless.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 8, 2014 14:53:16 GMT
Someone mentioned how many matches Collins has missed, however for quite a few of these games he was dropped for Darcy Blake.
I'm surprised he didn't retire the first time that happened.
We need GINGE
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 8, 2014 16:51:49 GMT
We haven't got a great deal of CBs to to choose from so he was worth having, been around the set up for a decade so brings great experience.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 17:24:15 GMT
Someone mentioned how many matches Collins has missed, however for quite a few of these games he was dropped for Darcy Blake. I'm surprised he didn't retire the first time that happened. We need GINGE You mean like Myhill did? If Collins wants to retire for those reasons then good, fuck off. Lets not forget that Blake, once upon a time was a decent player for Wales. He wasn't just brought in for a laugh. Plus we needed greater cover because Collins has always been a liability, the number of caps he has attests to that. You will be lucky to get half a campaign out of him (for whatever reason). That being said, what has happened has happened. The fact he is turning up now even when injured is great to see and I for one (as most will know, a big critic of him) take my hat off to him. It categorically states that there is no issue between him and Coleman- if he turns up when injured maybe he will prolong his Wales career? At the same time, lets not forget that we are in a good position at the moment. That must be motivation for all players to 'keep their hand in' and keep themselves in Coleman's thoughts. Everyone will want to be on that plane at the end of the campaign should we make it, regardless of their role in the campaign. I wonder if we will be seeing more of Crofts, for example, if we are still doing well in a few months time? We are also a winning team at the moment. In the past why would players turn up if injured when we had no hope of qualifying? One other thing about this is that we don't hear whats going on behind closed doors - so we can only speculate on player's attitudes to international football. Seeing pictures from the camp with Collins about is great as it gives us more of an idea about levels of commitment, hopefully ending some of the speculation on here that there has been in the past about spats with the manager etc. With this in mind I hope we see some footage of Allen and Ramsey in the build up to the game. Allen can't be blamed for his injuries, but I think he has chosen to play for a club that is not exactly overjoyed that he plays international football. Look at the Liverpool / England situation over Sturridge. |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Oct 8, 2014 17:43:14 GMT
Collins made his debut in 2004 at the age of 21 and has been under 5 Welsh managers. 44 caps is a really poor return.
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Post by alarch on Oct 8, 2014 17:59:38 GMT
Just because a player is injured doesn't mean they can swan off. They have a professional responsibility to do their utmost to follow the rehabilitation programme set out by their clubs - which will normally entail being at the club. So, we shouldn't expect Ramsey and Allen to show up before the game - although it would be surprising if they were dissuaded/prevented from turning up on match day. What is surprising is that Collins was allowed by West Ham to turn up at the Wales camp. It could just reflect the stage of recovery he's at and the nature of his injury - where he just needs rest.
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Post by llannerch on Oct 8, 2014 21:24:55 GMT
Credit where it's due
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Post by welshiron on Nov 17, 2014 8:43:41 GMT
I hope all you haters out there saw the smile on his face as he applauded the travelling fans.
I honestly believe his only gripe was being dropped for Darcy Blake and I for one fully understand that.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 17, 2014 10:58:16 GMT
Yeah I saw the smile!!! And I'm an hater. I don't hate him so much now. lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 13:04:02 GMT
I will find it a bit sad to be honest if we start seeing Collins turn up for every game including friendlies from now til the end of the campaign.
I would actually hope he misses the odd game (provided we have cover!) just so it gives his previous history some consistency.
Its bittersweet that we are likely to see much stronger squads just when we need it as the players look like they can smell qualification, but it does make me thibk back to the end of season friendlies thst were more or less reduced to B fixtures.
One thing is for certain, I dont want to see Adnrew Crofts anywhere near a Welsh shirt until the next set of qualifiers- surely he has lost his chance to have any involvement.
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 10, 2015 21:23:40 GMT
The guy was amazing today. Won every header in his duels with Ashley Williams in the box, read the game very well. Should be starting over Chester IMO.
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Post by E17 on Jan 10, 2015 21:42:14 GMT
The guy was amazing today. Won every header in his duels with Ashley Williams in the box, read the game very well. Should be starting over Chester IMO. Forget about the Amsterdam friendly. Andorra away we conceded a penalty that Chester did not give away, clean sheet at home to Bosnia, conceded a goal from a set piece that was a Wayne Hennessey error against Cyprus and kept a clean sheet against Belgium away. In the 4 games Chester has played, we have conceded 2 goals both from set pieces that he could not of made a difference to, the guys been a revelation. |
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Post by rushlegend on Jan 10, 2015 21:48:10 GMT
Sorry but Collins IMO is still a liability.
Chester has been playing consistently well over a a long period of time .
Can't forgive Collins for the many cock-ups in Euro 2012 qualifying from the very beginning.
James Chester will give us consistent performances and that is everything so Chester every time for me!!!
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 10, 2015 21:58:53 GMT
The guy was amazing today. Won every header in his duels with Ashley Williams in the box, read the game very well. Should be starting over Chester IMO. Forget about the Amsterdam friendly. Andorra away we conceded a penalty that Chester did not give away, clean sheet at home to Bosnia, conceded a goal from a set piece that was a Wayne Hennessey error against Cyprus and kept a clean sheet against Belgium away. In the 4 games Chester has played, we have conceded 2 goals both from set pieces that he could not of made a difference to, the guys been a revelation. But Collins is more commanding in the air and I think that could help us going both backwards and forwards. Not saying Chester is a bad player... far from it.. but I think Collins would give us something different. |
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