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Post by ger93 on Jan 10, 2015 22:00:42 GMT
Chester over Collins for me. Collins has been so inconsistent in the past and Chester's performances so far this campaign have been unbelievable. Don't get me wrong though, having Collins on the bench is a very good option as lets be honest we probably will have to deal with some injuries along the way. And he's a very good backup compared to what we've been bringing in in the past.
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Post by cadno on Jan 10, 2015 22:35:42 GMT
Chester is a lot more comfortable on the ball, in possession, under pressure etc. That's vitally important for international football, and he's built a great partnership with Ashley Williams over the last few qualifiers. We should cherish Chester right now, he's been one of our most fantastic players in this campaign!!
Agree with ger though, Collins is good back up.
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Post by yanto on Jan 11, 2015 10:05:14 GMT
Dare I suggest Collins over Williams? Chester is a nail on for me too and I'm a Collins fan.
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Post by llannerch on Jan 11, 2015 12:26:57 GMT
Chester over Collins...for the moment. Chester wasn't great against Andorra it should be said. Against Holland he was decent but he had vintage Gabbidon alongside him for that one and that makes anyone look good.
Williams is a shoe-in and is about as undroppable as Bale
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Post by walesaway on Jan 11, 2015 14:49:35 GMT
Has to be Ash + Chester imo. We need consistency in the starting 11 and those two seem to have struck a great partnership already. Breaking that up could be suicidal.
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Post by ysbryd on Jan 11, 2015 15:21:27 GMT
If all playing well in March, Chester and Williams but Collins is playing very well for West ham and would slot in if either was injured or had a lose of form.
We can be too quick to discard players. I am glad that a senior player still wants to play even when not first choice and has not retired from international football as others across many countries have done.
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Post by cadno on Jan 11, 2015 15:27:17 GMT
It was great to see Collins buzzing after the Belgium result, he was hugging all the other players, clapping to the fans etc. Great stuff!
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Post by welshorp on Jan 11, 2015 15:33:34 GMT
Don't think there is any debate needed really as against Israel we should play all 3. 5-4-1.
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Post by cadno on Jan 11, 2015 17:22:36 GMT
If we're playing 3 centre backs Collins still doesn't fit in alongside Chester and Williams for me. Davies or Dummett a lot better suited for 3-5-2/5-3-2 etc...
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Post by welshorp on Jan 11, 2015 18:41:26 GMT
Davies Collins chester williams Matthews (only if he leaves celtic)
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Post by cadno on Jan 11, 2015 19:46:48 GMT
In a 5-3-2...
Gunter Chester Williams Davies Taylor
possibly Dummett in there for Taylor or Davies..
But think we should go 4-2-3-1 vs Israel...Gunter Chester Williams Davies, Ledley Allen, Bale Ramsey Joniesta, Vokes. . .
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Post by alternativewales on Jan 11, 2015 20:33:37 GMT
but Collins is playing very well for West ham and would slot in if either was injured or had a lose of form. Put in a brilliant shift for West Ham against the Swans. Like Macedonia home in October 2013. Blocks, tackles, clearances he just had it all. |
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Post by nathan1710 on Jan 12, 2015 12:54:01 GMT
If we played a 3 it would have to be Williams, Chester and Dummett surely. He's our only left sided CB. I know Davies can play there and Williams plays LCB for the swans but Dummett it is for me.
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Post by welshiron on Jan 12, 2015 12:59:10 GMT
If we're playing 3 centre backs Collins still doesn't fit in alongside Chester and Williams for me. Davies or Dummett a lot better suited for 3-5-2/5-3-2 etc... Collins played in a back 3 against Swansea on Saturday I would have him Chester and Williams if we play 3 at the back. Although, I haven't seen enough of Israel to comment as if it's the right thing to do. In a back 4 it would be a close call between Collins and Chester and I would probably just give Chester the nod if his confidence hasn't been effected by playing in a losing side most weeks. He did enough in the last 2 games to keep the shirt |
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Post by ger93 on Jan 12, 2015 14:08:55 GMT
This might be the wrong thread but what would we take against Israel? A win would be great, but we would surely take a draw? Can't afford to lose that's for sure if we want automatic qualification. Nervous even thinking about it.
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Post by cadno on Jan 12, 2015 17:42:32 GMT
If we're playing 3 centre backs Collins still doesn't fit in alongside Chester and Williams for me. Davies or Dummett a lot better suited for 3-5-2/5-3-2 etc... Collins played in a back 3 against Swansea on Saturday I would have him Chester and Williams if we play 3 at the back. Although, I haven't seen enough of Israel to comment as if it's the right thing to do. In a back 4 it would be a close call between Collins and Chester and I would probably just give Chester the nod if his confidence hasn't been effected by playing in a losing side most weeks. He did enough in the last 2 games to keep the shirt Ah that's pretty interesting, do you know if he was left centre back, right centre back or centre centre back? Yeah I think Collins' strong points are heading, tackling and blocking but certainly not passing/being comfortable under pressure Chester and Williams aren't too bad in the air, good tackling and blocking but also great passing/control under pressure - Chester was a class act vs Belgium, he was one of the calmest players on the pitch! It's great that we have options at the back  |
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Post by cadno on Jan 12, 2015 17:57:37 GMT
What are everyone's thoughts on the RB position now? because I agree with alarch, I think Taylor Chester Williams Davies is our strongest back 4; but Gunter's performances have really impressed me this campaign and for that reason he's nailed the RB spot down for me. It's then a fight between Taylor/Davies/Dummett for left-back...
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 12, 2015 19:12:03 GMT
Collins played in a back 3 against Swansea on Saturday I would have him Chester and Williams if we play 3 at the back. Although, I haven't seen enough of Israel to comment as if it's the right thing to do. In a back 4 it would be a close call between Collins and Chester and I would probably just give Chester the nod if his confidence hasn't been effected by playing in a losing side most weeks. He did enough in the last 2 games to keep the shirt Ah that's pretty interesting, do you know if he was left centre back, right centre back or centre centre back? Yeah I think Collins' strong points are heading, tackling and blocking but certainly not passing/being comfortable under pressure Chester and Williams aren't too bad in the air, good tackling and blocking but also great passing/control under pressure - Chester was a class act vs Belgium, he was one of the calmest players on the pitch! It's great that we have options at the back Pretty sure he was the centre of the three, either that or was on the right. He won every header in his battles with Williams in either box. Williams is awful in the air, can't head the ball for sh*t. |
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 12, 2015 19:12:42 GMT
What are everyone's thoughts on the RB position now? because I agree with alarch, I think Taylor Chester Williams Davies is our strongest back 4; but Gunter's performances have really impressed me this campaign and for that reason he's nailed the RB spot down for me. It's then a fight between Taylor/Davies/Dummett for left-back... Chris all the way. Neil hasn't played right back in 30 months. Forget it! |
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 12, 2015 19:14:37 GMT
This might be the wrong thread but what would we take against Israel? A win would be great, but we would surely take a draw? Can't afford to lose that's for sure if we want automatic qualification. Nervous even thinking about it. We have to aim to win this game. Ideally in March we would win in Israel followed by the home side drawing with Belgium 3 days later. As then we'd have all played 5 matches, putting us on 11, Israel 10 and Belgium 9 more than likely after playing Cyprus home on the 28th. If we fail to win, it could put huge pressure on the home game against Belgium to win to have a chance of finishing in the top 2. |
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Post by cadno on Jan 12, 2015 19:39:59 GMT
What are everyone's thoughts on the RB position now? because I agree with alarch, I think Taylor Chester Williams Davies is our strongest back 4; but Gunter's performances have really impressed me this campaign and for that reason he's nailed the RB spot down for me. It's then a fight between Taylor/Davies/Dummett for left-back... Chris all the way. Neil hasn't played right back in 30 months. Forget it! Hmm ye it's hard to disagree, Gunts always gives 100% and he's surely our best natural right back... |
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Post by cadno on Jan 12, 2015 19:42:28 GMT
This might be the wrong thread but what would we take against Israel? A win would be great, but we would surely take a draw? Can't afford to lose that's for sure if we want automatic qualification. Nervous even thinking about it. We have to aim to win this game. Ideally in March we would win in Israel followed by the home side drawing with Belgium 3 days later. As then we'd have all played 5 matches, putting us on 11, Israel 10 and Belgium 9 more than likely after playing Cyprus home on the 28th. If we fail to win, it could put huge pressure on the home game against Belgium to win to have a chance of finishing in the top 2. Aye, Israel is a huge game, we should definitely go for a win. Fingers crossed no major injuries. |
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Post by cadno on Jan 12, 2015 19:48:34 GMT
Ah that's pretty interesting, do you know if he was left centre back, right centre back or centre centre back? Yeah I think Collins' strong points are heading, tackling and blocking but certainly not passing/being comfortable under pressure Chester and Williams aren't too bad in the air, good tackling and blocking but also great passing/control under pressure - Chester was a class act vs Belgium, he was one of the calmest players on the pitch! It's great that we have options at the back Pretty sure he was the centre of the three, either that or was on the right. He won every header in his battles with Williams in either box. Williams is awful in the air, can't head the ball for sh*t. I think that's a little harsh on Williams, heading is probably his weakest attribute but he still does an ok job of it! I still maintain that being comfortable on the ball and being able to pass out from the back under pressure are both more important than being good in the air. |
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Post by ger93 on Jan 12, 2015 22:29:24 GMT
We have to aim to win this game. Ideally in March we would win in Israel followed by the home side drawing with Belgium 3 days later. As then we'd have all played 5 matches, putting us on 11, Israel 10 and Belgium 9 more than likely after playing Cyprus home on the 28th. If we fail to win, it could put huge pressure on the home game against Belgium to win to have a chance of finishing in the top 2. Aye, Israel is a huge game, we should definitely go for a win. Fingers crossed no major injuries. Can't see why we can't get 3 points out there, especially if there are no injury problems. Having looked at their squad, we are by far a better team on paper. Most of their players play in the Israeli top flight. One or two in La Liga and Ligue 1. Not sure what kind of standard the Israeli top flight is in comparison to the Prem. Have to say, I would take a draw away as long as we beat them at the CCS. |
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Post by alternativewales on Jan 12, 2015 23:38:55 GMT
Collins played right CB Saturday Cadno.
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Post by cadno on Jan 13, 2015 0:09:57 GMT
Collins played right CB Saturday Cadno. Thank you, a good problem for Cookie to have. (selections) |
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Post by alternativewales on Jan 13, 2015 17:21:57 GMT
Collins played right CB Saturday Cadno. Thank you, a good problem for Cookie to have. (selections) No problem Cadno. For me if both are available, it has to be Chester and Ashley Williams. Never the less, do not think Ashley has been brilliant for the Swans the last month. Last game I thought "yes, he's put in a hell of a shift there" had been Belgium away in November so, IF Collins can be consistent and like many of you know with Collins, it's a big IF, IF he can be consistent with West Ham, he shall be knocking on the door of consideration for Coleman. |
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Post by welshiron on Jan 15, 2015 9:50:38 GMT
How good was Collins against Everton (except for the free kick)
On club form he will be picked ahead of Chester but Chester has the shirt and did well, will be a close call if all 3 are fit and maintain their current form
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Post by yanto on Jan 15, 2015 13:22:00 GMT
How good was Collins against Everton (except for the free kick) On club form he will be picked ahead of Chester but Chester has the shirt and did well, will be a close call if all 3 are fit and maintain their current form I'm just delighted at having options - feels like a lifetime since this happened......oh it was a lifetime......... |
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Post by alarch on Jan 15, 2015 14:20:33 GMT
Chester has been playing at right back lately for Hull. If that continues it might become on option to have a back four of Chester Collins Williams Davies/Taylor/Dummett. Not bad...
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