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Post by welshiron on Jan 15, 2015 14:53:09 GMT
Alarch, you should change your name to ABG
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Post by ysbryd on Jan 15, 2015 15:42:19 GMT
Probably last season I thought James's form had dipped and injuries had started to be all to regular and he was not getting game time. He is showing really good form in a team in the upper part of the Premier and seems to be over those niggles.
I hope for him and for Wales this continues. We need a strong squad and Collins in-form strengthens that squad.
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Post by cadno on Jan 15, 2015 17:44:03 GMT
He played well vs Everton, especially winning headers and he looks a confident player at the moment. Still, he made one or two silly challenges/decisions, and he's got that in him...he might have the game of his life then all of a sudden he'll give away a penalty or something...not saying it happens all the time but is it worth the risk?
Pros +
Aerial threat
Blocking + tackling
Cons -
Doesn't like to pass it out from the back
He makes some silly decisions
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Post by ysbryd on Jan 15, 2015 19:35:52 GMT
He played well vs Everton, especially winning headers and he looks a confident player at the moment. Still, he made one or two silly challenges/decisions, and he's got that in him...he might have the game of his life then all of a sudden he'll give away a penalty or something...not saying it happens all the time but is it worth the risk? Pros + Aerial threat Blocking + tackling Cons - Doesn't like to pass it out from the back He makes some silly decisions That's an excellent summation. |
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Post by richierich333 on Jan 16, 2015 10:50:02 GMT
Chester has been playing at right back lately for Hull. If that continues it might become on option to have a back four of Chester Collins Williams Davies/Taylor/Dummett. Not bad... I hadn't thought of this. I would much rather him there than Gunter IF he is able to play full back. This along with striker is our weakest area.
Davies Williams Collins Chester - All prem back four would be quality
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Post by squatter1 on Jan 16, 2015 11:36:17 GMT
Chester at right back is a tempter to try, that's for sure.
But it should be noted he's played there for Hull only under desperate circumstances - ie when all their dedicated RBs were out.
I guess if he starts playing there more often, we should take note, but currently I think he should only really be seen as a back-up in that slot. Really not sure what he would offer going forward in an overlapping role, for example.
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Post by alternativewales on Jan 16, 2015 20:34:32 GMT
He played well vs Everton, especially winning headers and he looks a confident player at the moment. Still, he made one or two silly challenges/decisions, and he's got that in him...he might have the game of his life then all of a sudden he'll give away a penalty or something...not saying it happens all the time but is it worth the risk? Pros + Aerial threat Blocking + tackling Cons - Doesn't like to pass it out from the back He makes some silly decisions That's the best overall summary I've seen on James Collins! |
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Post by ysbryd on Jan 18, 2015 19:04:50 GMT
Went off injured today v Hull not sure how bad. But James Chester to have operation on his shoulder and is a doubt for the Israel game according to BBC sports.
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 18, 2015 19:31:18 GMT
'The Wales cap (Chester), 25, came off in Sunday's 3-0 loss at West Ham after dislocating a shoulder in an aerial challenge with compatriot James Collins.'
Only could Wales players injure one another!
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Post by larslagerback on Jan 18, 2015 20:14:13 GMT
Went off injured today v Hull not sure how bad. But James Chester to have operation on his shoulder and is a doubt for the Israel game according to BBC sports. In the words of Clay Davies (must be Welsh) "Sheeeèeeeeeet" |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 12:55:18 GMT
anyone seen it yet?
i read it was a really clumsy challenge.
FFS.
We keep a clean sheet against Bosnia at home/Belgium away, and have generally tightened everything up at the back and he does this.
Can't see that being good for squad morale.
Chester would have been much better suited for Israel away.
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Post by toshfan on Jan 19, 2015 13:13:34 GMT
anyone seen it yet? i read it was a really clumsy challenge. FFS. We keep a clean sheet against Bosnia at home/Belgium away, and have generally tightened everything up at the back and he does this. Can't see that being good for squad morale. Chester would have been much better suited for Israel away. I saw it at the time and thought it was an accident, nothing more or less. Still gutted though. 9 weekends before Israel. How on earth are we meant to get through them? |
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Post by toshfan on Jan 19, 2015 13:16:08 GMT
Losing Chester is a big blow. If Ash does not return before Israel (which appears unlikely) that would be even bigger.
Collins has taken a battering on twitter on facebook; about the challenge and his record with Wales.
My view is that he should be next in line. I am very positive about how he played against Macedonia (home), Belgium (away) in 2013 and Iceland last year.
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Post by llannerch on Jan 19, 2015 13:16:22 GMT
The Israel game is 9 weeks away. A dislocated shoulder can heal in that time surely? And if not I can't see why Chester can't rock this look:  |
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Post by toshfan on Jan 19, 2015 13:17:53 GMT
He played well vs Everton, especially winning headers and he looks a confident player at the moment. Still, he made one or two silly challenges/decisions, and he's got that in him...he might have the game of his life then all of a sudden he'll give away a penalty or something...not saying it happens all the time but is it worth the risk? Pros + Aerial threat Blocking + tackling Cons - Doesn't like to pass it out from the back He makes some silly decisions An excellent summary on his history with us. The Cons did not apply to his performance against Macedonia in Cardiff but in a general sense you are right. |
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Post by texan on Jan 19, 2015 14:04:41 GMT
The Israel game is 9 weeks away. A dislocated shoulder can heal in that time surely? If only a dislocated shoulder popped back into place, then yes, its probably do-able especially when the advanced professional care he'd get with his club is taken into account. However as reports suggest he needs surgery he's probably ripped the tendon supporting the joint and needs it reattached, so that needs to heal AND strengthen...I'm afraid that realistically we're probably looking at upwards of 16 weeks out, end of April/beginning of May return is my guess. Anything's possible however, and if its just stretched/torn tissue (i.e. not a tendon tear) and he happens to be a quick healer he may get lucky and could just about recover within the required 9 week period. If he does jog out onto that Haifa pitch however we'll have witnessed a minor medical miracle! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 14:12:02 GMT
The Israel game is 9 weeks away. A dislocated shoulder can heal in that time surely? If only a dislocated shoulder popped back into place, then yes, its probably do-able especially when the advanced professional care he'd get with his club is taken into account. However as reports suggest he needs surgery he's probably ripped the tendon supporting the joint and needs it reattached, so that needs to heal AND strengthen...I'm afraid that realistically we're probably looking at upwards of 16 weeks out, end of April/beginning of May return is my guess. Anything's possible however, and if its just stretched/torn tissue (i.e. not a tendon tear) and he happens to be a quick healer he may get lucky and could just about recover within the required 9 week period. If he does jog out onto that Haifa pitch however we'll have witnessed a minor medical miracle! Shiiiiiiiiiiiit. Seriously, you absolutely cannot make it up sometimes. Our biggest game in what seems like an eternity and our clumsy oaf of a centre back injures our best(?) player so far this campaign. Collins owes it to us now to put in the performance of his life against Israel. Whats the betting that he will be injured come the end of March? Might be time to look at Ash Taylor after all (not as a starter but if Collins is out and Dummett plays where is the cover?). |
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Post by yanto on Jan 19, 2015 14:15:02 GMT
It was just an accident - its a ridiculous concept to think that 2 welsh players in competition are going to not compete in a club game. Didn't realise Ash is injured?
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Post by yanto on Jan 19, 2015 14:15:55 GMT
Oh! Ash Taylor...doh!!
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Post by ger93 on Jan 19, 2015 14:17:45 GMT
Big blow if Chester is out which looks very likely. On a positive note, Tal Ben Haim starts at CB for Israel.
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Post by dayoo87 on Jan 19, 2015 14:20:12 GMT
Pity they never found Eric Young in the Crazy Gang documentary as any more injuries and we'd be asking him to dust off his headband!
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Post by squatter1 on Jan 19, 2015 14:32:21 GMT
This is not such a big deal - it highlights our strength in depth.
Worst case scenario: out go two premiership centrebacks (Williams and Chester), in come two premiership centrebacks (Collins and Dummett, who are actually playing at clubs higher placed in the table than the players they are replacing). This, for us, is frankly miraculous.
The players we need to seriously worry about getting injured are those that are irreplaceable.
Bale and Ramsey. And to a lesser extent, Allen, Vokes and Hennessey.
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Post by larslagerback on Jan 19, 2015 14:45:37 GMT
anyone seen it yet? i read it was a really clumsy challenge. FFS. We keep a clean sheet against Bosnia at home/Belgium away, and have generally tightened everything up at the back and he does this. Can't see that being good for squad morale. Chester would have been much better suited for Israel away. I saw it live. It was an excellent challenge in the air by Collins. Unfortunately he went over the top of Chester who dislocated his shoulder in the fall. Nothing wrong with it at all in my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 15:38:38 GMT
anyone seen it yet? i read it was a really clumsy challenge. FFS. We keep a clean sheet against Bosnia at home/Belgium away, and have generally tightened everything up at the back and he does this. Can't see that being good for squad morale. Chester would have been much better suited for Israel away. I saw it live. It was an excellent challenge in the air by Collins. Unfortunately he went over the top of Chester who dislocated his shoulder in the fall. Nothing wrong with it at all in my opinion. Fair enough. let's hope Collins gives us one of his best performance in a welsh jersey in march then. Maybe Ben Davies can slot in alongside him? defo need a friendly now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 15:43:32 GMT
I saw it live. It was an excellent challenge in the air by Collins. Unfortunately he went over the top of Chester who dislocated his shoulder in the fall. Nothing wrong with it at all in my opinion. Fair enough. let's hope Collins gives us one of his best performance in a welsh jersey in march then. Maybe Ben Davies can slot in alongside him? defo need a friendly now. When would we play? The game is on the Saturday night isn't it? Would have to be the Wednesday beforehand. Can't see it happening at this late stage. |
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Post by welshiron on Jan 19, 2015 16:18:50 GMT
Collins also went off injured with what looked like a hamstring.
He was probably the best player on the pitch until he went off, Chester was also having a decent game.
As for the injury to Chester it was just a fluke, Collins was in no way to blame.
As for those questioning his record, for me the only time he didn't want to play was around the time Darcy Blake was getting picked ahead of him and I fully understood that at the time, I think a few more may now!
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Post by Bass Drum Barry on Jan 19, 2015 16:59:28 GMT
Collins also went off injured with what looked like a hamstring. He was probably the best player on the pitch until he went off, Chester was also having a decent game. As for the injury to Chester it was just a fluke, Collins was in no way to blame. As for those questioning his record, for me the only time he didn't want to play was around the time Darcy Blake was getting picked ahead of him and I fully understood that at the time, I think a few more may now! Certainly don't think Collins should be blamed for the challenge. And while I get what you're saying about Blake/Collins, all that really highlights for me is what a waste of a career Darcy Blake has been. Such a shame. |
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Post by cadno on Jan 19, 2015 17:09:20 GMT
How bad is Ashley Williams' injury?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 17:19:14 GMT
Collins also went off injured with what looked like a hamstring. He was probably the best player on the pitch until he went off, Chester was also having a decent game. As for the injury to Chester it was just a fluke, Collins was in no way to blame. As for those questioning his record, for me the only time he didn't want to play was around the time Darcy Blake was getting picked ahead of him and I fully understood that at the time, I think a few more may now! Blake was on form at the time so it was hardly a bad decision to play him. We were also getting results. So any petulence on Collins part says more about Collins attitude than anything else. |
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Post by welshiron on Jan 20, 2015 14:36:11 GMT
Blake had the odd decent game but should never hace played ahead of Collins
Blake wasn't good enough for championship football whereas Collins has played most of his career in the top flight.
Don't know if that is the reason behind Collins not playing much but to be dropped for an inferior player with a piss poor attitude would make most people question, why bother.
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