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Post by Baxter Cymru on Nov 13, 2012 12:27:23 GMT
He has always chose Wales thou Dougie Freedman said last year that Jonathan is a proud Welshman and he will be a big asset to Wales in the future!
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Post by Tim P on Nov 13, 2012 12:40:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 17:43:11 GMT
Shows Joniesta and Coleman trust each other and are 100% sure of his commitment for Wales  nothing to worry about, he won't ever go to england, he's a Welsh player, Colemans played it well. No point rushing it anyway. good quiche. |
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Post by flynnfan on Nov 16, 2012 23:04:55 GMT
He's been playing for Wales since u16 level so I don't think there's much to worry about. Despite being born and raised in England he's been very much part of our system for the last few years, which is great to see. To be more successful in future we have to do everything possible to broaden our player base.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 12:19:39 GMT
He's been playing for Wales since u16 level so I don't think there's much to worry about. Despite being born and raised in England he's been very much part of our system for the last few years, which is great to see. To be more successful in future we have to do everything possible to broaden our player base. Agreed. Hope Coleman puts him on against Scotland or Croatia - or indeed any of the remaining Qualifiers. Put it to bed for good! |
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Post by welshiron on Nov 20, 2012 16:27:01 GMT
is he injured as he cant get a sniff at the Palace. Hopefully they will sell Zaha in January and he will get some games.
We shouldnt cap him just to tie him to us, if he wants to then great he will wait if he doesnt then let him go to England
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Nov 20, 2012 18:22:40 GMT
He has been given two weeks off by palace to fully recover from injury.
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 15, 2013 21:52:39 GMT
Ryan Shawcross fouls Jonathan Williams - that is a penalty!
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Very much enjoyed reading that sentence on the BBC live text.
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Post by Tim P on Jan 18, 2013 11:36:54 GMT
Yes!
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Post by alarch on Jan 25, 2013 20:05:58 GMT
I posted on a Crystal Palace forum regarding Jazz and invited their fans to compare Joniesta to Zaha. Interesting response here:
"... as for Williams, better potential than Wilf longterm imo if he can stay injury free and get a decent enough first team run to really establish himself. His attitude is first class and he doesn't lack ability in any aspect of his game, he's got a fantastic turn of pace, superb tight close control, can pick a pass short or long.
The world's the kids oyester and I can't wait to watch him develop. Just a shame he won't be figuring for England".
Looking good. I don't think we should delay getting him involved with the senior side. He should get to play at least a half against Austria. Ramsey and Allen's introductions to the senior setup were needlessly delayed in my opinion. In the absence of Bellamy we are lacking quality out wide - we should test him out and see if he's ready to step up to the plate. If he's good enough he's old enough.
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Post by alarch on Jan 25, 2013 23:39:56 GMT
I was wondering if our expectations of Joniesta were a bit OTT. But given this response, perhaps our hopes are a bit understated:
"I think he will eventually in the years to come surpass Zaha. From the games I have seen him play I am his biggest fan and excited with it.
As other posts have said, He is intelligent on the ball, first class control and balance, passing long or short.
I really see him in the future being amongst the best.
Hence my joniesta.com site which is in progress of being built.
I have been excited about Palace prospects before, John Bostock, Moses, Zaha, but my excitement regards Joniesta is on another level.
I too hope he can stave off injuries."
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Post by llannerch on Jan 26, 2013 7:52:11 GMT
Sounds almost too good to be true!
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Post by flynnfan on Feb 14, 2013 14:39:17 GMT
www.lambeth-today.co.uk/sport.cfm?id=4650I hope so too Olly. He seems to be a game changer. If we need a goal with half an hour to go vs Scotland or Croatia I'd be a bit more excited seeing Joniesta come on than Church or HRK...
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Post by Tim P on Feb 14, 2013 16:21:55 GMT
A tad dismissive from Holloway, or perhaps Joniesta really is that good!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 21:30:09 GMT
Yes it comes across like a slur on the quality of player that little old Wales can call upon.
I am also suspicious of any manager's motives when they tout their players for international duty, and in this situation I suspect:
1) Holloway wants the exposure and associated transfer fee that international notoriety brings
2) He wants us to be the ones that bring on his development while he is used sparingly at Palace.
I don't think any club manager whose player is integral to the side would be begging an international manager to pick that player. Can you imagine AVB demanding that Coleman pick Bale? ;D
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Post by flynnfan on Feb 15, 2013 14:51:35 GMT
A tad dismissive from Holloway, or perhaps Joniesta really is that good! I'd like to think it's the latter! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2013 21:50:01 GMT
Played really really well again today against Middlesbrough! Also Jazz Richards had a solid game. Chris Coleman was there watching...possible call ups for Scotland and Croatia games? |
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Post by Tim P on Feb 17, 2013 10:34:07 GMT
Roy Hodgson was also there... to watch Zaha. But I hope Coleman made sure to have some good words to say to Joniesta.
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Post by walrus on Feb 18, 2013 7:17:37 GMT
Joniesta was very quiet first half when positioned on the wing. he does not seem suited to that position. After half time he played centrally behind the striker and sometimes a bit deeper. He was much better in this role. His passing is neat and tidy and he does look to slot forwards in behind. The other trick he has is to spin and turn and burst from midfield with the ball into the next line and especially into the box band look for a one two or pass. Nothing came of it during this game but he was trying to create more as the game wore on and he had found the pace of the game.
All in all he was not an important factor in palace's win. Zaha and Murray stole the show there and it was typical direct huff and puff championship fodder with the awkward looking but very effective Zaha being the difference. Boro were awful by the way.
My advice to Joniesta would be to go overseas for two years and learn in his trade in holland or somewhere else that play with the brain as he is obviously being held back at this level.
Richards did what he does best and gave a solid performance but offered very little in possession or going forward.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Feb 18, 2013 11:52:29 GMT
Overseas? because he had 1 quiet game, hes 18-19 :/
He played on the wings for the u21s and has operated wide for palace on a number of occasions and impressed!!
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Post by walrus on Feb 18, 2013 12:24:12 GMT
the standard of football was low. He'll learn how to tackle and thump it forward at palace. It was like watching a game from the 80;s. Take Zaha out and it was an even game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2013 16:34:37 GMT
I hope Coleman made sure to have some good words to say to Joniesta. Agreed. |
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Post by flynnfan on Feb 18, 2013 16:54:49 GMT
Joniesta was very quiet first half when positioned on the wing. he does not seem suited to that position. After half time he played centrally behind the striker and sometimes a bit deeper. He was much better in this role. His passing is neat and tidy and he does look to slot forwards in behind. The other trick he has is to spin and turn and burst from midfield with the ball into the next line and especially into the box band look for a one two or pass. Nothing came of it during this game but he was trying to create more as the game wore on and he had found the pace of the game. All in all he was not an important factor in palace's win. Zaha and Murray stole the show there and it was typical direct huff and puff championship fodder with the awkward looking but very effective Zaha being the difference. Boro were awful by the way. My advice to Joniesta would be to go overseas for two years and learn in his trade in holland or somewhere else that play with the brain as he is obviously being held back at this level. Richards did what he does best and gave a solid performance but offered very little in possession or going forward. Decent analysis. But following on from your insistance that 'Bale is technically poor' I struggle to take you too seriously walrus.. Completely agree Boro were awful though. Rhys Williams particularly so ;D |
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Post by Tim P on Feb 18, 2013 18:06:19 GMT
I would have thought that Palace under Holloway would be trying to play progressive, if naive, football. Is this not the case?
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Post by flynnfan on Feb 18, 2013 20:04:11 GMT
the standard of football was low. He'll learn how to tackle and thump it forward at palace. It was like watching a game from the 80;s. Take Zaha out and it was an even game. This is way over the top. Palace were hardly playing hoofball. Zaha was excellent but I thought Palace were by far the better team anyway. Holloway did wonders for David Vaughan's career (playing proper football!) I trust him with Joniesta. |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Feb 18, 2013 22:37:49 GMT
Jonathan Williams is hoping that he can make his full senior debut.
"In terms of Wales' first-team, it is a case of when Chris Coleman feels I'm ready to play at that level. I'll just wait. If that means playing for the U21s then I'll be more than happy. If I'm in the senior squad, training with the likes of Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsay, that would be great. I must've played about 40 games in all age groups. I've come a long way with Wales and hopefully I'll get my debut at some point this year. That would be a very proud moment. There is nothing like international games, you are playing the best from that country. It is a great honour playing for Wales." - Jonathan Williams.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2013 23:24:12 GMT
I feel quite old school on this issue, let him earn a call up. Im fed up of seeing caps tossed off on the 'next big thing' who soon fade into obscurity. Let him prove he is good enough by performing in the Palace team consistently and not being called up just because England might get him or because he has the nickname Joniesta so that means he must be good.
From the quote above he himself seems to be aware that he has to earn a call up so fair play to him. I hope he knuckles down and gives Coleman no option but to pick him.
Mind you the same should apply to Simon Church yet he always gets in the squad. Everytime he gets picked he devalues what it means to play for Wales. I don't mean any offence to the player himself, its the manager who needs to justify why hes always there. Has nobody else really done enough to warrant a call up ahead of him?! I can't for the life of me see what he brings to the team.
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Post by flynnfan on Feb 19, 2013 12:07:09 GMT
I feel quite old school on this issue, let him earn a call up. Im fed up of seeing caps tossed off on the 'next big thing' who soon fade into obscurity. Let him prove he is good enough by performing in the Palace team consistently and not being called up just because England might get him or because he has the nickname Joniesta so that means he must be good. From the quote above he himself seems to be aware that he has to earn a call up so fair play to him. I hope he knuckles down and gives Coleman no option but to pick him. Mind you the same should apply to Simon Church yet he always gets in the squad. Everytime he gets picked he devalues what it means to play for Wales. I don't mean any offence to the player himself, its the manager who needs to justify why hes always there. Has nobody else really done enough to warrant a call up ahead of him?! I can't for the life of me see what he brings to the team. Agree with this. Church's constant call up ups make no sense to me either. He should be told that he has to show some club form to get back in the squad. Then maybe we'll see what the lad is made of. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 13:14:09 GMT
I feel quite old school on this issue, let him earn a call up. Im fed up of seeing caps tossed off on the 'next big thing' who soon fade into obscurity. Let him prove he is good enough by performing in the Palace team consistently and not being called up just because England might get him or because he has the nickname Joniesta so that means he must be good. From the quote above he himself seems to be aware that he has to earn a call up so fair play to him. I hope he knuckles down and gives Coleman no option but to pick him. Mind you the same should apply to Simon Church yet he always gets in the squad. Everytime he gets picked he devalues what it means to play for Wales. I don't mean any offence to the player himself, its the manager who needs to justify why hes always there. Has nobody else really done enough to warrant a call up ahead of him?! I can't for the life of me see what he brings to the team. Agree with this. Church's constant call up ups make no sense to me either. He should be told that he has to show some club form to get back in the squad. Then maybe we'll see what the lad is made of. But thats like telling a giraffe to learn how to fly, the lad (to be brutally honest) just isn't up to it. He needs to drop down to league one for a few years and climb back up and in the meantime we forget about him. Whilst Church gets picked I can see the sense in calling the likes of Williams up based on the fact he might be a decent player, but really, to make a bigger issue of this, we should have enough players available of a decent quality that we can treat being a Wales player as a privilege rather than as a right for any lower league footballer who can pass a ball or beat a man. In short: I would like to see some consistency in selection from Coleman- lets see players earn squad places on form rather than because historically they have been around the set up for a long time. I can't see that bringing anything valuable to a match. Tosh devalued being a Wales player, but that was perhaps to be expected given the state we were in. We should be at a stage now where we can pick on merit and caps should be earned. |
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Post by flynnfan on Feb 19, 2013 15:40:50 GMT
But thats like telling a giraffe to learn how to fly, the lad (to be brutally honest) just isn't up to it. ------------------------- I dunno... 'his is surely a career waiting to happen' I always remember this line from Steve Claridges scouting report www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2008/oct/21/walesfootballteam-championshipHe's just turned 24 so maybe he'll be a late bloomer? In the meantime, I fail to see what good his unearned Wales call ups are doing him.. |
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nothing to worry about, he won't ever go to england, he's a Welsh player, Colemans played it well. No point rushing it anyway. good quiche. 
