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Post by jamaro on Sept 6, 2012 11:37:29 GMT
I'd love to see him get some minutes as well. There's always a bit of buzz about upcoming youngsters with potential.
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Post by saints19 on Sept 6, 2012 11:41:55 GMT
I'd like to see him start too. At the end of the day it's him or Robson-Kanu. We've given Hal a few games and he hasn't looked like worrying any of our group opponents too much. Every chance Williams will be the same, but it's always worth trying someone new.
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Post by rich on Sept 6, 2012 11:42:38 GMT
is williams palying regulary at club level?
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Post by jamaro on Sept 6, 2012 11:47:52 GMT
2 appearances this season (1 league, 1 league cup) providing 1 assist.
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Post by saints19 on Sept 6, 2012 11:53:42 GMT
Last 4 games:
9 mins as sub v Sheff Wed
64 mins as starter v Preston
Not used v Bristol City
Not used v Watford
So no, not playing regularly, but I think the fans like him down there. Worth a punt in my view anyway.
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Post by matty on Sept 6, 2012 12:00:25 GMT
That was my first game too! Giggs ran the show. Id love to see him play a part but Coleman isnt one to take many risks..fingers crossed tho! I know quite a few people whose first game was the same. Why I wonder? Were people thinking Wales could finally do something, or was it the Giggs factor? Perhaps just a coincidence. One thing I've just noticed too, Giggs was a sub v Germany in Oct 1991, but didn't play his next game until the Belgium start in March 1993 (I think thats right, but correct me if not)...what was the reason for that? And before anybody says they must've been friendlies, they weren't!  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2012 12:07:27 GMT
That was my first game too! Giggs ran the show. Id love to see him play a part but Coleman isnt one to take many risks..fingers crossed tho! I know quite a few people whose first game was the same. Why I wonder? Were people thinking Wales could finally do something, or was it the Giggs factor? Perhaps just a coincidence. One thing I've just noticed too, Giggs was a sub v Germany in Oct 1991, but didn't play his next game until the Belgium start in March 1993 (I think thats right, but correct me if not)...what was the reason for that? And before anybody says they must've been friendlies, they weren't! I went to that game - it was the Giggs factor - I think he put about 10,000 on the gate that night and we went home ecstatic. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Sept 6, 2012 12:13:58 GMT
That was my first game too! Giggs ran the show. Id love to see him play a part but Coleman isnt one to take many risks..fingers crossed tho! I know quite a few people whose first game was the same. Why I wonder? Were people thinking Wales could finally do something, or was it the Giggs factor? Perhaps just a coincidence. One thing I've just noticed too, Giggs was a sub v Germany in Oct 1991, but didn't play his next game until the Belgium start in March 1993 (I think thats right, but correct me if not)...what was the reason for that? And before anybody says they must've been friendlies, they weren't! Euro '92 would have been on during that time. What Wales games would he have missed between the two dates? |
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Post by matty on Sept 6, 2012 12:30:17 GMT
I know quite a few people whose first game was the same. Why I wonder? Were people thinking Wales could finally do something, or was it the Giggs factor? Perhaps just a coincidence. One thing I've just noticed too, Giggs was a sub v Germany in Oct 1991, but didn't play his next game until the Belgium start in March 1993 (I think thats right, but correct me if not)...what was the reason for that? And before anybody says they must've been friendlies, they weren't! Euro '92 would have been on during that time. What Wales games would he have missed between the two dates? Luxembourg 1991 Romania 1992 Faroe Islands 1992 Cyprus 1992 Belgium 1992 |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 6, 2012 13:36:48 GMT
Last 4 games: 9 mins as sub v Sheff Wed 64 mins as starter v Preston Not used v Bristol City Not used v Watford So no, not playing regularly, but I think the fans like him down there. Worth a punt in my view anyway. Just back from injury though. He would have played a lot more otherwise. He played a big part in Palace reaching the league cup semis last season, and Cardiff were lucky they didn't have to play against him. It should also be noted that he came on vs Wednesday with the score 1-1 and it ended 2-1 to Palace and that he provided the assist for their only goal vs Preston. He makes things happen. It's not like we can really say that about HRK, is it? |
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Post by texan on Sept 6, 2012 13:54:12 GMT
Luxembourg 1991 Romania 1992 Faroe Islands 1992 Cyprus 1992 Belgium 1992 The only one of those matches Giggs missed was the Cyprus game, he played some part in all the others. Although mind you he did of course miss every friendly scattered in and around those matches against Japan, Argentina, the Dutch, Austria and the Irish (twice). |
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 6, 2012 18:55:45 GMT
JW played in some pre=season games as well but is not back t full fitness yet & not yet found the form he was in before sustaining his injury with Wales under 21's, he was rushed back into action t early at the end of last season & subsequently suffered niggling injuries.
So hopefully Coleman will refrain from using him from the beginning, maybe as a sub towards the end of the game,we do not want t lose our best player this season.
JW is far more talented than HRK
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 6, 2012 19:02:24 GMT
JW played in some pre=season games as well but is not back t full fitness yet & not yet found the form he was in before sustaining his injury with Wales under 21's, he was rushed back into action t early at the end of last season & subsequently suffered niggling injuries. So hopefully Coleman will refrain from using him from the beginning, maybe as a sub towards the end of the game,we do not want t lose our best player this season. JW is far more talented than HRK I'm sorry, but a world cup qualifier is much more important than any championship match. If he's the best option, he needs to start. |
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 6, 2012 19:20:58 GMT
JW played in some pre=season games as well but is not back t full fitness yet & not yet found the form he was in before sustaining his injury with Wales under 21's, he was rushed back into action t early at the end of last season & subsequently suffered niggling injuries. So hopefully Coleman will refrain from using him from the beginning, maybe as a sub towards the end of the game,we do not want t lose our best player this season. JW is far more talented than HRK I'm sorry, but a world cup qualifier is much more important than any championship match. If he's the best option, he needs to start. Agree t disagree then |
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Post by saints19 on Sept 7, 2012 0:35:15 GMT
Last 4 games: 9 mins as sub v Sheff Wed 64 mins as starter v Preston Not used v Bristol City Not used v Watford So no, not playing regularly, but I think the fans like him down there. Worth a punt in my view anyway. Just back from injury though. He would have played a lot more otherwise. He played a big part in Palace reaching the league cup semis last season, and Cardiff were lucky they didn't have to play against him. It should also be noted that he came on vs Wednesday with the score 1-1 and it ended 2-1 to Palace and that he provided the assist for their only goal vs Preston. He makes things happen. It's not like we can really say that about HRK, is it? Well, to be fair to HRK he must be a decent player at Championship level or he wouldn't have a career at Reading. I don't think you can tell if someone will make the grade at international level by looking at the Championship. I'm sure Robson-Kanu makes things happen at that level, but we know he struggles against good international teams. Whether Williams will be any different, I don't know, but what I would say is it's worth trying him out - we have nothing to lose. |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Nov 11, 2012 23:42:56 GMT
Crystal Palace chairman says "that England have missed out on Jonathan Williams because they didn't make any effort to try and recruit him"
Someone tweeted this earlier.
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Post by georgetm1 on Nov 12, 2012 19:00:42 GMT
HA !
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Post by yrarglwyddlucan on Nov 12, 2012 19:30:58 GMT
He can still opt to play for England. What persuaded Coleman to leave that door open?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 19:38:57 GMT
Not just Coleman, he was on the bench for a competative game under Speed also.
I think the reality is that since the injury he perhaps isn't playing to the same level and wouldn't be as sought after now as Zaha who England are trying to nick fron CIV.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Nov 12, 2012 19:41:00 GMT
In a video on vauxhall wales facebook page joniesta says how proud he is to play for Wales ect ect, he is a product of the Wales football trust and has played for us since u14s-15s level so i dont think he will ever switch nations!
Of course he still could.
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Post by yrarglwyddlucan on Nov 12, 2012 20:04:11 GMT
Coleman should have ensured that the door was firmly shut.
I'm suspicious about why he failed to do so.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Nov 12, 2012 20:17:15 GMT
Suppose the reason for capping for the sake of it, he has been in 2-3 welsh squads now and will prob feel part of the set up, Speed didnt cap him either remember, same with Adam henley!
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 12, 2012 20:52:55 GMT
In the past england could let these guys slip through the net as they had plenty to choose from.but that talent pool is getting smaller and smaller.interesting thatthe England squad contains the uncapped Zaha,Shawcross,Jenkinson and Stirling.All of these are qualified for other countries.
Jonjo Shelvey won his first cap earlier in the year and he is qualified for scotland and ireland.
Maybe england are realising they are losing some talent so they are snapping them all up to ensure they have as big a pool to select from as possible.
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Post by yrarglwyddlucan on Nov 12, 2012 21:10:30 GMT
"Suppose the reason for capping for the sake of it, he has been in 2-3 welsh squads now and will prob feel part of the set up, Speed didnt cap him either remember, same with Adam henley!"
None of that is relevant. Coleman should have brought Henley and Lynch on in NY, that he didn't doesn't excuse him for making the same error with Williams, especially when it had become apparent we would see little of Bellamy. The reference to Speed is silly. The situation has become far more pressing since then.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Nov 12, 2012 22:38:37 GMT
Friendly matches dont count they have to be capped in competetive matches!
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Nov 12, 2012 22:39:35 GMT
Your asking why Coleman hasnt capped him, Speed also didnt cap him was my point so its hardly silly  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 23:29:49 GMT
Friendly matches dont count they have to be capped in competetive matches! Exactly. But I hope that comes soon. Like in March. Scotland away. |
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Post by yrarglwyddlucan on Nov 13, 2012 9:51:16 GMT
"Friendly matches dont count they have to be capped in competetive matches!" Of course, but Coleman needed to test Lynch as a centre back but missed the opportunity. Anyone with an IQ in three figures would understand that.
"Your asking why Coleman hasnt capped him, Speed also didnt cap him was my point so its hardly silly".
What Speed did is irrelevant to the issue of what Coleman should have done. So your point is "silly"(that's a euphemism).
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Post by matty on Nov 13, 2012 10:26:51 GMT
"Friendly matches dont count they have to be capped in competetive matches!" Of course, but Coleman needed to test Lynch as a centre back but missed the opportunity. Anyone with an IQ in three figures would understand that. "Your asking why Coleman hasnt capped him, Speed also didnt cap him was my point so its hardly silly". What Speed did is irrelevant to the issue of what Coleman should have done. So your point is "silly"(that's a euphemism). haha keep on digging! Be honest you thought friendly matches counted. And Baxters point is relevant, coz people are quick to jump on any decision Coleman makes, yet Speed made that same choice last year. How many games has Williams played for Palace since Coleman has been in charge? I want to see him play for us, but I understand why he hasn't. |
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Post by walrus on Nov 13, 2012 10:30:34 GMT
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