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Post by oscardelta on Nov 1, 2017 14:10:40 GMT
To me, reading the BBC article and seeing Bale's inclusion makes me think that Coleman knows this is his last camp and wants a proper farewell. Hope I'm wrong! My reading of it is same as yours. Said about 10 days ago that while like him to stay as has done a good job for Wales, danger is that in 18 months time he may have past his shelf life where Premier League clubs might consider him. Irrespective of his passion for Wales, bottom line for a manager is that it is his occupation. He is lucky to have managed a number of clubs as majority of managers only manage a single club, get sacked and never manage again. Staying on and Wales having a poor string of results in Nations league would mean he out of a job where Championship or League one could be his next job. |
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 1, 2017 14:11:59 GMT
Seen the interview got a feeling he's on his way out. I agree. It does look that way. None the less, I genuinely feel its not purely down to money or to a possible Premiership posting. I feel that Cookie knows that he can lead our team to greater heights, if he is given more resources, but is not content with just plodding along with what he's got. Sometimes you can only taking something so far and realise someone else could be better to take on to the next stage. |
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Post by alarch on Nov 1, 2017 14:29:04 GMT
It's reported that Coleman is on £400,000 a year. If he got a Premier League job he could reasonably expect his salary to increase 5-fold. Is there a single person on this board that would turn their back on a job offer involving a salary increase of that magnitude?
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 1, 2017 14:51:11 GMT
It's reported that Coleman is on £400,000 a year. If he got a Premier League job he could reasonably expect his salary to increase 5-fold. Is there a single person on this board that would turn their back on a job offer involving a salary increase of that magnitude? 3 yr contract, 50 games, 16 wins, sacked after 18 months, contract paid up, gets 2nd chance at someone else, lasts 2 years and gets contract paid up............. Pundit in Qatar 2022 after earning £10m since 2017. Hard to turn down. Guess contrast with MON in ROI job, aged 65 and likely will not manage again after ROI, CC is 47. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 1, 2017 15:48:36 GMT
I cant put my finger on why but I also got the feeling this could be the end following the press conference.
I wont begrudge him another crack at premiership management but I really hope he stays for one more campaign.
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Post by manulike on Nov 1, 2017 15:57:09 GMT
I cant put my finger on why but I also got the feeling this could be the end following the press conference. I wont begrudge him another crack at premiership management but I really hope he stays for one more campaign. The optimist in me says he is holding out until the FAW confirm the China trip ;-) #justsayyes |
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Post by cymro on Nov 1, 2017 16:51:41 GMT
If they want to sell out the Panama game then it would be worth announcing it's his last game ahead of time.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 1, 2017 17:26:56 GMT
There’s more to life than money Chris. Something called Wales my friend. Some of us would die for the flag, some of us wouldn’t.
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Post by manulike on Nov 1, 2017 17:41:58 GMT
There’s more to life than money Chris. Something called Wales my friend. Some of us would die for the flag, some of us wouldn’t. That is a little harsh, especially as he could have easily walked away immediately after the Euros and pretty much got an extra £2m-£3m a year - here or abroad. Even if he gets a rise from FAW, I'd reckon he would still be on less than a Championship manager |
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 1, 2017 19:04:27 GMT
There’s more to life than money Chris. Something called Wales my friend. Some of us would die for the flag, some of us wouldn’t. That is a little harsh, especially as he could have easily walked away immediately after the Euros and pretty much got an extra £2m-£3m a year - here or abroad. Even if he gets a rise from FAW, I'd reckon he would still be on less than a Championship manager Stats I quoted earlier ae that majority of managers manage a single club, get fired and NEVER work as a manager again. They may do other stuff but not a manager. A football manager like a player has a shelf life and when out of contract / unwanted then nobody cares. I do not blame a player or manager moving for money. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_VaessenAs a reminder what happens when you go from Fans Hero to a Fans Nobody. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 1, 2017 19:26:29 GMT
Thought he looked and sounded a bit subdued today. I know there's disappointment over failure to qualify, but didn't seem very upbeat. Looks ominous to me, hope I'm wrong and he stays.
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Post by cadno on Nov 1, 2017 19:38:07 GMT
He will stay
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Post by pendragon on Nov 1, 2017 20:57:28 GMT
On a side note Serbia sacked their manager this week I know that there has been some internal strife within the team in recent years but it seems to me, that manager has really instilled determination and discipline in that side. Really surprised at this - particularly as they will have a new manager going into the World Cup! Seems completely bonkers to me. Of course, I'm not aware of the context of this decision but something tells me it is a very risky move! |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Nov 1, 2017 21:00:20 GMT
On a side note Serbia sacked their manager this week I know that there has been some internal strife within the team of late but it seems to me, that manager has instilled determination and discipline in them as a side. Really surprised at this - particularly as they will have a new manager going into the World Cup! Seems completely bonkers to me. Of course, I'm not aware of the context of this decision but something tells me it is a very risky move. Where is belgradeboy when you need him? |
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Post by dai on Nov 1, 2017 21:49:28 GMT
I think Coleman's off. The fact that he's stuck to his 'fave's' instead of experimenting a little shows he just wants play the two last games with the old faithful. Leave the progression and experimenting to the new manager.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 2, 2017 19:51:11 GMT
Remember that Coleman was one of the favourites to take on the Leicester job and that never materialised.
It's hard to say how much is in these latest rumours. Everton seems to be like a deer caught in the headlights right now. Would he be put off by the challenge, or would he relish it?
I don't know.. From the latest press rumours, it has been reported that he has made a list of demands of the FAW, including more investment by the FAW in Welsh football, and full time contracts for Morgans and Symmonds if he is to stay.
If this is true then I sincerely hope the FAW meet his demands.
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Post by georgetm1 on Nov 2, 2017 20:01:16 GMT
I watched the press conference and I saw no indication of Coleman leaving. All I saw was that he is keeping his cards close to his chest and its still 50/50.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 2, 2017 20:07:38 GMT
I watched the press conference and I saw no indication of Coleman leaving. All I saw was that he is keeping his cards close to his chest and its still 50/50. Hmmm... I agree. I would say it's very much up in the air. I don't think that the squad announcement itself means much. Could he realistically have shaken up the squad all that much? Has he got anyone strong and solid ready to step in for most of them? I'm doubtful.. He's also announced Ampadu and Huws. The latter of whom wasn't part of the squad for Euro 2016. I'm usually a cynic but I don't see enough from the interview to infer which way the wind will blow. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Nov 3, 2017 12:39:20 GMT
Hes in negotiations, simple as that. Which way it will go, we will have to see. End of day, where is he going to go? Everton not interested - so likely Sunderland?? Fun.
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 3, 2017 13:41:05 GMT
Hes in negotiations, simple as that. Which way it will go, we will have to see. End of day, where is he going to go? Everton not interested - so likely Sunderland?? Fun. There don't seem to be many "Big names" in contention for the Everton job, I wouldn't rule Coleman out |
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 3, 2017 14:45:38 GMT
Hes in negotiations, simple as that. Which way it will go, we will have to see. End of day, where is he going to go? Everton not interested - so likely Sunderland?? Fun. There don't seem to be many "Big names" in contention for the Everton job, I wouldn't rule Coleman out It is a poisioned chalice to be fair. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Nov 3, 2017 15:30:53 GMT
Hes in negotiations, simple as that. Which way it will go, we will have to see. End of day, where is he going to go? Everton not interested - so likely Sunderland?? Fun. There don't seem to be many "Big names" in contention for the Everton job, I wouldn't rule Coleman out Tuchel managed Dortmund, pretty high level name. David Moyes lol, did manage United, Allardyce, they are in a relegation battle at the moment. Coleman seems a bit of a way down the pecking order tbh. |
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 3, 2017 15:37:49 GMT
It's reported that Coleman is on £400,000 a year. If he got a Premier League job he could reasonably expect his salary to increase 5-fold. Is there a single person on this board that would turn their back on a job offer involving a salary increase of that magnitude? 3 yr contract, 50 games, 16 wins, sacked after 18 months, contract paid up, gets 2nd chance at someone else, lasts 2 years and gets contract paid up............. Pundit in Qatar 2022 after earning £10m since 2017. Hard to turn down. Guess contrast with MON in ROI job, aged 65 and likely will not manage again after ROI, CC is 47. He could leave,get a premier league job,get sacked and be reappointed Wales manager before the next qualifiers start,haha |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 3, 2017 16:34:25 GMT
There don't seem to be many "Big names" in contention for the Everton job, I wouldn't rule Coleman out Tuchel managed Dortmund, pretty high level name. David Moyes lol, did manage United, Allardyce, they are in a relegation battle at the moment. Coleman seems a bit of a way down the pecking order tbh. I would be very surprised if Everton appointed Allardyce to be fair. Haven't seen anything regarding Tuchel for a week or two, would be a good appointment |
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Post by alarch on Nov 3, 2017 17:27:45 GMT
He could leave,get a premier league job,get sacked and be reappointed Wales manager before the next qualifiers start,haha Quite possible - but we'd hardly sack Coleman's replacement to make way for his return. |
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Post by manulike on Nov 3, 2017 19:38:12 GMT
If Cookie decides to go, then Carlo Ancelotti maybe half decent bet?
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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 3, 2017 19:52:48 GMT
If Cookie decides to go, then Carlo Ancelotti maybe half decent bet? I would love to see Ancelotti but surely the FAW couldn’t get near his salary demands? What would he want, £5mill a year? |
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Post by manulike on Nov 3, 2017 20:06:38 GMT
If Cookie decides to go, then Carlo Ancelotti maybe half decent bet? I would love to see Ancelotti but surely the FAW couldn’t get near his salary demands? What would he want, £5mill a year? It might be naive of me, but the possibility of managing Bale, Allen, Rambo, Davies, Woodburn and Ampadu ... must be very tempting for anyone |
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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 3, 2017 20:08:27 GMT
I would love to see Ancelotti but surely the FAW couldn’t get near his salary demands? What would he want, £5mill a year? It might be naive of me, but the possibility of managing Bale, Allen, Rambo, Davies, Woodburn and Ampadu ... must be very tempting for anyone I agree. Who wouldn’t want the job with the potential available? Ancelotti would be an excellent appointment but he has no reason to take such a drastic pay cut - does he? |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 3, 2017 22:36:48 GMT
It might be naive of me, but the possibility of managing Bale, Allen, Rambo, Davies, Woodburn and Ampadu ... must be very tempting for anyone I agree. Who wouldn’t want the job with the potential available? Ancelotti would be an excellent appointment but he has no reason to take such a drastic pay cut - does he? He's 58 and his last 6 jobs have been Juventus, AC Milan, Chelsea, PSG, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich. Perhaps he fancies winding down his career somewhat and taking a more relaxing job? That's the only reason I can think of |
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