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Post by ontheroadagain on Nov 14, 2017 23:51:22 GMT
Don't quite get why everyone wants him to sign a new deal. Wasn't it Coleman himself who said this would be his last campaign? Sure he did well enough in getting us to the Euros (but he did have the help of an in form, injury free Bale). But as a manager, you are judged on your last set of results. And remember, we were top seeds in our group and finished third.So however you look at it, that surely has to be regarded as a failure. For my money he has made too many mistakes tactically this campaign, and has shown too much loyalty to players who are past their best (Ledley, Taylor, King). And for all those who say, yes but we should have beaten Serbia at home, I would say, but we should have also lost 3-1 at home to Georgia. You can't have it both ways. After 6 years, surely it's time for a change. We've got an exciting crop of young talent coming through, give someone else a chance to develop it. Replaced by who? |
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 14, 2017 23:56:06 GMT
ditto
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 15, 2017 0:27:29 GMT
Double ditto
I'm looking at Scotland now and wondering if it was the right thing to sack Strachan,who on earth is goingto replace him?
I can't see us finding it any easier to replace Coleman
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 15, 2017 0:30:03 GMT
its such a fickle and knife edge business lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 8:35:38 GMT
Are full time contracts necessary for members of his back room team? If the Welsh FA can’t find the funds then Coleman will blame them and leave.
The three wins towards the end of the campaign proved what we are capable of but I only want a manager who is 100% behind us and not one who already preempted his own departure before having a change of heart.
Replace with who is the question here? I really don’t know!
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Post by fourfourtwo on Nov 15, 2017 8:47:31 GMT
In terms of a replacement, surely that's what the interview and selection process will decide. I'm pretty sure that there would be a number of suitably qualified candidates (admittedly not all Welsh) who would be interested. Of course a Welsh manager would always be preferable, but we shouldn't be blinkered in our approach.
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Post by underwood on Nov 15, 2017 8:49:45 GMT
Keeping Osian there is the key. Then give Bellamy, or any one of those ex-pros who did their coaching badges with us a go.
Thierry Henry would be a bold, but not so daft appointment.
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Post by toshfan on Nov 15, 2017 9:59:37 GMT
On BBC just now: "A huge thank you to our fans who came tonight, they are our hard core. "I think I am the man to lead them, yeah, but there's a bit more to it than that. That will happen very shortly, very quick. "I have never lost the desire to represent Wales." Sounds very positive I have lost count of the amount of times I have been criticised for using the term "core fans". Never understood why as it simply means those with the highest propensity to follow the national side. |
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Post by alarch on Nov 15, 2017 10:08:38 GMT
On balance I'd just about prefer Coleman to continue, and that looks like it will happen. If we could make a Brendan Rodgers or Martinez type appointment then that would be my preference, but I just don't see that a manager of that calibre will come available.
If Coleman doesn't renew, then a possible Welsh manager appointment would be Eddie Niedzwieckihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Niedzwiecki, an important member of Mark Hughes' backroom staff at Stoke. If you listen to Elis James' latest podcast both Iwan Roberts and Danny Gabbidon talk of Niedzwiecki in glowing terms. He also impressed me greatly as a pundit a few years ago. He was probably ditched because he didn't resort to the bog-standard bland platitudes that the likes of Iwan Roberts delivers on a regular basis.
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 15, 2017 20:30:37 GMT
Are full time contracts necessary for members of his back room team? If the Welsh FA can’t find the funds then Coleman will blame them and leave.The three wins towards the end of the campaign proved what we are capable of but I only want a manager who is 100% behind us and not one who already preempted his own departure before having a change of heart. Replace with who is the question here? I really don’t know! For me 100% yes. To the point that I think that it is more important to keep Mitchell and Rylands (and of course Roberts) than it is Coleman. I don't think that we would have hung in there against Belgium in the qualifiers or blown away Russia in the Euro's without the improvements in the levels of fitness. Mentally I see a totally different Coleman now to the "forgot my passport" "broken washing machine" merchant to what he was before Mitchell arrived. That's the million dollar question; who could we get to replace Coleman? The only two options that I can think of is either Osian Roberts or Carl Robinson. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 15, 2017 22:06:30 GMT
Ronald Koeman? I doubt his stock is that high in football following the Everton debacle and it would be a chance to rebuild his reputation for a couple of years
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Post by saints19 on Nov 16, 2017 0:13:27 GMT
Double ditto I'm looking at Scotland now and wondering if it was the right thing to sack Strachan,who on earth is goingto replace him? I can't see us finding it any easier to replace Coleman If they get O'Neill in I think that will prove to be a good switch, even though I thought Strachan did OK with fairly mediocre players on the whole. Will they qualify even with O'Neill? Have to wait and see. But I would definitely take O'Neill as Welsh manager, he's done an excellent job in his current position. |
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 16, 2017 0:38:00 GMT
Phillip Cocu of PSV, won't end up falling out with players, unlike Koeman and some of his compatriots.
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Post by underwood on Nov 16, 2017 11:25:17 GMT
Phillip Cocu of PSV, won't end up falling out with players, unlike Koeman and some of his compatriots. He’s Dutch - they always end up falling out with someone eventually. |
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Post by pendragon on Nov 16, 2017 11:29:12 GMT
Double ditto I'm looking at Scotland now and wondering if it was the right thing to sack Strachan,who on earth is goingto replace him? I can't see us finding it any easier to replace Coleman If they get O'Neill in I think that will prove to be a good switch, even though I thought Strachan did OK with fairly mediocre players on the whole. Will they qualify even with O'Neill? Have to wait and see. But I would definitely take O'Neill as Welsh manager, he's done an excellent job in his current position. Forgive my ignorance, but we are (hopefully) referring to the Michael O'Neil here and not Martin? |
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Post by pendragon on Nov 16, 2017 11:30:07 GMT
Ronald Koeman? I doubt his stock is that high in football following the Everton debacle and it would be a chance to rebuild his reputation for a couple of years No thank you. I think that could be very risky. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 16, 2017 11:41:41 GMT
Rumours around saying Coleman's future will be decided tomorrow by FAW committee.
Hope they do the right thing for a change!! Although in fairness to them they have improved in the last couple of years.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 16, 2017 12:07:01 GMT
Rumours around saying Coleman's future will be decided tomorrow by FAW committee. Hope they do the right thing for a change!! Although in fairness to them they have improved in the last couple of years. If they want Wales to improve and progress, they would be quite frankly foolish to turn him down. I realise he is asking them for a lot of money for infrastructure development and full-time contracts, but look at countries such as Iceland, who have reaped the benefits of such investments and youth development. There's no getting around it, if they want to increase Wales' profile and future prospects, something will have to give. It is not as if we need to start from scratch, we have experienced a taste of success and know more is potentially possible. We also have a number of young talents filtering through the squads. I do hope Cookie stays tomorrow and I am confident that the FAW will see he is the only viable candidate, moving forward. |
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Post by garynysmon on Nov 16, 2017 12:11:15 GMT
Agreed. But its a matter for all of us, not just the FAW and Coleman.
How many people in Wales moan that tickets are too expensive etc, when they'll happily pay even more on a fortnightly basis to watch their clubs who don't necessarily depend on gate receipts?
These improvements come at a cost, we can't criticise an organisation for not spending money it doesn't have if we won't put our hands in our pockets.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 16, 2017 12:18:12 GMT
Agreed. But its a matter for all of us, not just the FAW and Coleman. How many people in Wales moan that tickets are too expensive etc, when they'll happily pay even more on a fortnightly basis to watch their clubs who don't necessarily depend on gate receipts? These improvements come at a cost, we can't criticise an organisation for not spending money it doesn't have if we won't put our hands in our pockets. I see your point. Not to dismiss a very viable point at all, but we all know there are people out there who would complain if tickets were £5, yet many could find the cash to pay hundreds for tickets and accommodation at the Euros. I suppose that there's no easy solution to this particular issue. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 16, 2017 12:20:58 GMT
Rumours around saying Coleman's future will be decided tomorrow by FAW committee. Hope they do the right thing for a change!! Although in fairness to them they have improved in the last couple of years. If they want Wales to improve and progress, they would be quite frankly foolish to turn him down. I realise he is asking them for a lot of money for infrastructure development and full-time contracts, but look at countries such as Iceland, who have reaped the benefits of such investments and youth development. There's no getting around it, if they want to increase Wales' profile and future prospects, something will have to give. It is not as if we need to start from scratch, we have experienced a taste of success and know more is potentially possible. We also have a number of young talents filtering through the squads. I do hope Cookie stays tomorrow and I am confident that the FAW will see he is the only viable candidate, moving forward. At least he seems to have a blueprint for the future. Wonder what will happen if he goes? Back to square one, and another few years of failure and uncertainty. As always it comes down to money, but surely they can reach a compromise between them. We've come along way in the last few years, it would be a shame to throw it all away. The players want him to stay, the majority of the fans want him to stay. Let's hope common sense prevails. |
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Post by pendragon on Nov 16, 2017 12:28:06 GMT
If they want Wales to improve and progress, they would be quite frankly foolish to turn him down. I realise he is asking them for a lot of money for infrastructure development and full-time contracts, but look at countries such as Iceland, who have reaped the benefits of such investments and youth development. There's no getting around it, if they want to increase Wales' profile and future prospects, something will have to give. It is not as if we need to start from scratch, we have experienced a taste of success and know more is potentially possible. We also have a number of young talents filtering through the squads. I do hope Cookie stays tomorrow and I am confident that the FAW will see he is the only viable candidate, moving forward. At least he seems to have a blueprint for the future. Wonder what will happen if he goes? Back to square one, and another few years of failure and uncertainty. As always it comes down to money, but surely they can reach a compromise between them. We've come along way in the last few years, it would be a shame to throw it all away. I agree that it'd be a shame. And who could take over? I fear that some of the candidates put forward would not be experienced or senior enough. Those who we might really want may command too high a salary! |
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Post by dai on Nov 16, 2017 12:46:16 GMT
I have a bad feeling about all of this. A caller on Call Rob post game on Tuesday mentioned how the FAW pushed out Yorath and England when they got popular and 'bigger than the FAW'. I know the modern FAW isn't the same as back then, but I hope there won't be any animosity behind the scenes if the FAW feel their hand is forced into giving Coleman what he wants, and likewise if Coleman doesn't get all the support he feels but hasn't got a better option right now.
Tough to call this one, but an FAW vs Coleman thing can't be good at all.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Nov 16, 2017 12:49:35 GMT
I have a bad feeling about all of this. A caller on Call Rob post game on Tuesday mentioned how the FAW pushed out Yorath and England when they got popular and 'bigger than the FAW'. I know the modern FAW isn't the same as back then, but I hope there won't be any animosity behind the scenes if the FAW feel their hand is forced into giving Coleman what he wants, and likewise if Coleman doesn't get all the support he feels but hasn't got a better option right now. Tough to call this one, but an FAW vs Coleman thing can't be good at all. It was a referee from Merthyr. He made a valid point. |
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Post by garynysmon on Nov 16, 2017 13:06:05 GMT
Agreed. But its a matter for all of us, not just the FAW and Coleman. How many people in Wales moan that tickets are too expensive etc, when they'll happily pay even more on a fortnightly basis to watch their clubs who don't necessarily depend on gate receipts? These improvements come at a cost, we can't criticise an organisation for not spending money it doesn't have if we won't put our hands in our pockets. I see your point. Not to dismiss a very viable point at all, but we all know there are people out there who would complain if tickets were £5, yet many could find the cash to pay hundreds for tickets and accommodation at the Euros. I suppose that there's no easy solution to this particular issue. Exactly. We're punching above our weight on the field, but its often even harder off it. There's no point comparing us to larger FA's. Just look at the revenue the English FA generates,on top of commercial income, it pretty much fills Wembley for every match while charging Premier League prices. Compare that to how much income the FAW would have generated on Tuesday and whatever the appearance fee was on Friday. We have to be realistic. |
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Post by pendragon on Nov 16, 2017 16:09:18 GMT
I have a bad feeling about all of this. A caller on Call Rob post game on Tuesday mentioned how the FAW pushed out Yorath and England when they got popular and 'bigger than the FAW'. I know the modern FAW isn't the same as back then, but I hope there won't be any animosity behind the scenes if the FAW feel their hand is forced into giving Coleman what he wants, and likewise if Coleman doesn't get all the support he feels but hasn't got a better option right now. Tough to call this one, but an FAW vs Coleman thing can't be good at all. That would be a disaster. Hasn't news emerged this week that the FAW plans to invest £500K in new infrastructure? Surely it's possible that this could somehow be tied to Coleman's demands. |
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Post by pendragon on Nov 16, 2017 16:09:54 GMT
I see your point. Not to dismiss a very viable point at all, but we all know there are people out there who would complain if tickets were £5, yet many could find the cash to pay hundreds for tickets and accommodation at the Euros. I suppose that there's no easy solution to this particular issue. Exactly. We're punching above our weight on the field, but its often even harder off it. There's no point comparing us to larger FA's. Just look at the revenue the English FA generates,on top of commercial income, it pretty much fills Wembley for every match while charging Premier League prices. Compare that to how much income the FAW would have generated on Tuesday and whatever the appearance fee was on Friday. We have to be realistic. We'll just have to wait and see. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 16, 2017 16:35:50 GMT
Now favourite for Sunderland job  |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 16, 2017 16:47:01 GMT
Now favourite for Sunderland job Paddy Power offering 1/10 odds. Shit. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Nov 16, 2017 16:52:37 GMT
Puts pressure on the FAW to act soon if they want to keep Coleman.
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